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Charles posted:I don't care about the rating, I care about if it's effective. I have a 2006 Mazda 3 with a cabin air filter and it doesn't do poo poo for smoke or diesel or whatever. My Mercedes will block out wildfire smoke though, so I'm wondering how the Model 3 will do at it. If you haven’t replace the one in your Mazda recently you should probably do that. But it could just be that your Mazda isn’t a very well sealed car and a filter isn’t very useful if you can’t force the air through it. There’s nothing special about the filters used in Teslas.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:If you haven’t replace the one in your Mazda recently you should probably do that. But it could just be that your Mazda isn’t a very well sealed car and a filter isn’t very useful if you can’t force the air through it. There’s nothing special about the filters used in Teslas. The one in the Model X is almost the size of the whole firewall. It's enormous.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:There’s nothing special about the filters used in Teslas. The quality is rarely used in other cars, if at all, and the size and implementation is unique. Other than that, nothing special.  The 3 and Y don't have it IIRC.
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From the pic I found of the model 3 filter I'm not sure if it has an activated carbon filter or not. https://shop.tesla.com/product/model-3-air-filter I'll be finding out in the morning how it does with smoke
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Charles posted:Yes I've replaced the Mazda one. Mercedes uses activated charcoal filters which is probably why it does better with smoke. Charcoal is what really helps with odors, not the particulate rating. The Model X filter is indeed huge but I don’t think that has much effect on efficiency beyond perhaps longer life between replacement.
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Ola posted:The quality is rarely used in other cars, if at all, and the size and implementation is unique. Other than that, nothing special. I'm pretty sure my current 2015 Audi has a HEPA filter, and I'm sure the Porsche does with activated carbon. The Tesla bioweapon claims are really not convincing, it's not like positive pressure means anything beyond the fan being on. https://www.tesla.com/blog/putting-tesla-hepa-filter-and-bioweapon-defense-mode-to-the-test
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Go here, search for your car, and find whatever carbon activated filter is available
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The Model 3 has two cabin air filters, some people buy HEPA filters for it but I'm a bit concerned about restricting air flow. The Model 3 also comes with no intake air filter but you can buy an aftermarket one.
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Charles posted:And yeah tonight in Seattle it smells terrible so you'll probably get some if you're close to the border. We had an absolutely gorgeous sunset last night compliments of burning bits of Washington state, tyvm. This morning is smoky, but as someone else indicated I doubt GM bothers to seal its vehicles well enough for the cabin filter to matter. Might order a new one anyway just to see.
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Ola posted:The quality is rarely used in other cars, if at all, and the size and implementation is unique. Other than that, nothing special. How is the implementation unique? HEPA is nothing special to Tesla except they spent the extra $2 per vehicle on that model.
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Godholio posted:How is the implementation unique? Which other cars make a point of using HEPA and has a special mode for maximum air filtering? It is really good at clearing out bad air from inside the car as well.
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Ola posted:Which other cars make a point of using HEPA and has a special mode for maximum air filtering? It is really good at clearing out bad air from inside the car as well. Is the super special magic bio-weapon defense mode (lol) anything other than putting the HVAC on recirc and turning up the fan?
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The fuckoff-sized HEPA filter they put in the S/X might be related as well
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How well the rest of the car is sealed is going to make a big difference. Doesn't matter if you have an awesome filter if there is a big draft letting in smoke somewhere
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I finally joined the club and picked up a 2017 i3 Rex and over the long weekend drove it over 400 miles. Thanks to the plethora of free chargers (including free DCFC which I didn't know existed until now) all over southern California I only spent ~$10 on electricity. I could not imagine doing that drive without DCFC; It's hard to believe that's not standard on all EV's. The only time I got worried about range was Sunday at 2am when I only had about 10% battery and the first two fast chargers I went to were in parking garages that had already closed. Luckily I found an open one and got enough charge to go home. The crazy thing is that with the Rex I didn't even really need the charge, but I've become so averse to using gas I refused to turn it on and even went out of my way to get to that charger. Continuing filter chat: The i3 has a surprisingly good cabin air filter as well. Didn't smell a hint of smoke until I got out of my car.
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Does the model Y super recirc filtration mode filter out fart smells I hope not I enjoy smelling my own farts
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taqueso posted:How well the rest of the car is sealed is going to make a big difference. Doesn't matter if you have an awesome filter if there is a big draft letting in smoke somewhere First things first, let Tesla figure out how to keep water out of the Model Ys, then they can work on smoke.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:EV Supercar Rallycross? Oh, my God, the dude's eyes while riding with Ken. And yes, it hoons.
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Ola posted:Which other cars make a point of using HEPA and has a special mode for maximum air filtering? It is really good at clearing out bad air from inside the car as well. Volvo, Lexus, Mercedes off the top of my head.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Volvo, Lexus, Mercedes off the top of my head. Hadn't heard about any of those, can't find anything with some quick googling either.
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Here's an ID.3 next to a Model 3 for size comparison (via Reddit): Also Nikola motors announced a partnership with GM.  https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/nikola-and-gm-team-up-to-make-this-900-horsepower-super-electric-truck-113011979.html
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Ola posted:Hadn't heard about any of those, can't find anything with some quick googling either. I can't find any because they were all super stupid brand names on the top trim stuff and I can't be hosed to try to search for the marketing speak. edit: Volvo it's IQAS
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I can't find any because they were all super stupid brand names on the top trim stuff and I can't be hosed to try to search for the marketing speak. Cool, thanks! For anyone else curious https://www.volvocars.com/uk/support/manuals/xc90-twin-engine/2015w46/climate/air-quality/interior-air-quality-system Now, they don't mention HEPA specifically, but I'm not nitpicking on that, it's definitely a special air cleaning thing.
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Westy543 posted:Here's an ID.3 next to a Model 3 for size comparison (via Reddit): I can't say how much I love the layout of the ID.3. It's probably two or three threads ago, but I remember some of us talking about the possibilities that EV drive trains permit and one pet peeve of mine is unnecessary overhang. The picture does lie a little, a shot from above would be better. But the footprint of each, for anyone curious: Model 3: Wheelbase 113.2 in (2,875 mm) Length 184.8 in (4,694 mm) Width 72.8 in (1,849 mm) ID.3: Wheelbase 108.9 in (2,765 mm) Length (167.8 in (4,262 mm) Width 71.2 in (1,809 mm)
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Ola posted:Cool, thanks! For anyone else curious https://www.volvocars.com/uk/support/manuals/xc90-twin-engine/2015w46/climate/air-quality/interior-air-quality-system MB Cabin Air Purification system: quote:Dual activated charcoal filters team with an ionizer that uses an electrical charge to create the same fresh-air sensation you experience after a summer storm. Airborne impurities and odors are virtually eliminated from the cabin to provide air quality that's more enjoyable and healthier, especially for those with asthma or allergies.
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HEPA filtration is really just 99.97% of 0.3 micron particle filtration. Unless you're sourcing poo poo-tier filters to maximize your six sigma gainz, and/or your filter box leaks like a sieve, probably any decent OEM filter (where the manufacturer also sprung for gaskets and o-rings in the cabin air ducting) meets or exceeds HEPA ratings. It's not hard to do.
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Finger Prince posted:HEPA filtration is really just 99.97% of 0.3 micron particle filtration. Unless you're sourcing poo poo-tier filters to maximize your six sigma gainz, and/or your filter box leaks like a sieve, probably any decent OEM filter (where the manufacturer also sprung for gaskets and o-rings in the cabin air ducting) meets or exceeds HEPA ratings. It's not hard to do. 
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Westy543 posted:Here's an ID.3 next to a Model 3 for size comparison (via Reddit): I wanna see it next to a bolt. I think it looks real good, and I absolutely hate that they aren't bringing it over.
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RZA Encryption posted:I wanna see it next to a bolt. I think it looks real good, and I absolutely hate that they aren't bringing it over. I have resigned myself to my fate of joining the crossover masses with the ID 4. Which I can’t wait to slam down a hundo to configure in 3 weeks
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RZA Encryption posted:I wanna see it next to a bolt. Got you fam  
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from the YOSPOS thread - Found this little gem on my $55K Model Y
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Picked up a Kia Niro EV today. 'Engine' bay is kinda interesting. Rest of the car is pretty boring, but competent.
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Darchangel posted:Oh, my God, the dude's eyes while riding with Ken.
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MomJeans420 posted:from the YOSPOS thread - Found this little gem on my $55K Model Y 
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Westy543 posted:Got you fam pretty sure the ask was an ID.3 and a Bolt
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Need help from people with more experience in the full ev world . I am looking between a Kona Ultimate EV or a Model 3 Long Range. The Model 3 has some more range and AWD, however I am still very wary of the whole tech company making cars. The drivetrain warranty is pretty comparable between Hyundai and Tesla. What are the out of pocket repair costs for Teslas? I have heard the horror stories about the Model X windshields and $$$$$ but nothing else. Are all the other areas of the Tesla reliable? Boils down to worries over car company making electric car or tech company making electric car.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:pretty sure the ask was an ID.3 and a Bolt 
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Lord of Garbagemen posted:Need help from people with more experience in the full ev world . I am looking between a Kona Ultimate EV or a Model 3 Long Range. The Model 3 has some more range and AWD, however I am still very wary of the whole tech company making cars. The drivetrain warranty is pretty comparable between Hyundai and Tesla. What are the out of pocket repair costs for Teslas? I have heard the horror stories about the Model X windshields and $$$$$ but nothing else. Are all the other areas of the Tesla reliable? Full disclosure, this doesn't really answer your question since it's about a model x instead of a 3, but you might find it enlightening nonetheless. Jalopnik - This Tesla Model X Has Driven Over 400,000 Miles. Here Are All The Parts That Had To Be Replaced My understanding with Tesla is: initial quality is a crapshoot, they will probably fix your problems eventually, service time and experience varies wildly depending on service center, and possibly most disputable: once you get everything working they're fine? They offer an extended warranty and I wouldn't want to own one out of warranty. The parts are expensive, but that's probably typical for a car in that price range.
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MomJeans420 posted:from the YOSPOS thread - Found this little gem on my $55K Model Y To be clear: this is a bunch of license plates taped/ratchet strapped in the car?
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