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Darth Walrus posted:Yup, the Tories having complete bipartisan acceptance of their approach is definitely going to be the thing that destroys them. It's not politically useful to destroy the Tories until the full effects of Brexit have hit. Obviously this means the country will be burned down and the earth salted, but that's a price they're willing for us to pay.
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Lungboy posted:White chocolate Cocopops are your friend. Thanks for the suggestion - I tried them but it's just not the same man 
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I wish I could read a history of this period written 50-100 years in the future. Seeing the decay and disintegration of our state institutions described with a bit of historical perspective would be really helpful right now.
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Sep 8, 2020 21:17
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Rice crispies and sugar.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:What would the situation be if we *did* keep the NI/ROI border open, and not do any checks on stuff crossing the Irish Sea? Would Ireland be forced to "close" the border by the terms of their EU treaty commitments? Cypriot car dealers open franchises in Newry, the Shenzhen/Derry JV
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Convex posted:Fucks sake just realised they stopped making Ricicles back in 2017. I hate 2020 Please say Lidl or Aldi make some kind of knock-off. I generally don't buy breakfast cereal, but at least once a year I'd see ricicles in a supermarket, buy them, and then rush home to shovel down at least two heaped bowls in the space of 10 minutes. At least there's still Frosties, but they're a dim second.
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Soylent Yellow posted:generally don't buy breakfast cereal, but at least once a year I'd see ricicles in a supermarket, buy them, and then rush home to shovel down at least two heaped bowls in the space of 10 minutes.  feels bad man Checked on ebay and unopened packs are going for £35 plus £4 postage. I hate everything
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I assume ricicles is pronounced in the Classical Greek manner, like if Rik Mayall played Heracles.
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Guavanaut posted:I assume ricicles is pronounced in the Classical Greek manner, like if Rik Mayall played Heracles. I know they're not the same person but I just imagined Matt Berry bellowing it and it workstoo well
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BBC posted:Northern Ireland Secretary admits new bill will 'break international law' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54073836
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CancerCakes posted:I would be kicking off about this, you need to be 2 m away from anything that might be a shared area. Yeah, we're getting a screen in front of us. All I need is one to the left and my fortress will be complete. In related news, there are at least two covid denialists/conspiracy theorists that have identified themselves in the office today which should be fun once they chat with the people in the same open plan office who have dead relatives and best friends in comas.
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Sep 8, 2020 22:09
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Coma's short for coman cold, Toby Young said so. Relatedly, we're getting this, which'll be fun in the first local lockdown city.
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Yeah but you only need to worry about that if you're trying to move away from being exploited by American capitalism, not enthusiastically toward it.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:https://twitter.com/AdamJKucharski/status/1265375154055544832/photo/1 Probably lag due to time between submission and review/ journal publication. In other news: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54081131 Here we loving go
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I... assume they have a way of stopping you getting COVID from blood donated by someone who had it right? Or is it not transmissible that way? E: quote:But it will not apply to schools, workplaces or Covid-secure weddings, funerals and organised team sports. So... none of the things that loving matter, then.
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thespaceinvader posted:So... none of the things that loving matter, then. Eh? Climbing back in my box for 6 months.
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Sep 8, 2020 22:54
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Are we allowed to call the government policy on Covid control manslaughter edging yet?
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thespaceinvader posted:So... none of the things that loving matter, then. just another step in the govt's plan to blame the second wave 100% on the youth having house parties and raves
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Sep 8, 2020 23:09
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Meanwhile tables of up to 6 gammons continue to gather in the homeless thundercat's temple of Moloch to cough directly into each others mouths to own the libs.
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thespaceinvader posted:I... assume they have a way of stopping you getting COVID from blood donated by someone who had it right? Or is it not transmissible that way? Apparently it can't be transmitted via blood which doesn't make a huge amount of sense to me but there's cleverer people than me that might be able to weigh in on why - maybe some kind of life cycle thing? They're very interested to find out if you've got it at the time of donation but obviously that's about not transmitting it to the staff and other donors, and also interested if you might have had it in the past because of the possiblity of using your plasma with all its lovely antibodies to treat patients (although I've not heard anything more about this lately - presumably there are other treatments with less risk/availability bottlenecks now?)
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Are we allowed to call the government policy on Covid control manslaughter edging yet? Manslaughter is unintentional.
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thespaceinvader posted:So... none of the things that loving matter, then. But the contact tracers say all the transmission is happening in homes! No we don't have actual data to support that, and our world-beating contact tracing scheme definitely isn't just a way to add a hint of credibility to our "all work, no play" excuse for a lockdown
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Lady Demelza posted:It's not politically useful to destroy the Tories until the full effects of Brexit have hit. Obviously this means the country will be burned down and the earth salted, but that's a price they're willing for us to pay. Starmer is gonna win the next election partly because of this, the brexit and corona impacts are gonna be real and why would you destroy the tories when you can preserve the tories whilst an utterly harmless Labour government is there to take 90% of the heat? Pistol_Pete posted:I wish I could read a history of this period written 50-100 years in the future. Seeing the decay and disintegration of our state institutions described with a bit of historical perspective would be really helpful right now. There's never going to be 'a history' of this period, we're in this wierd space where we have incredible levels of artifact historicity but the gatekeeping systems are so tied into the establishment publishing systems and the rich have such total sociopolitical control over that gatekeeping that your hypothetical good book will just be an irrelevance if it ever exists.
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thespaceinvader posted:I... assume they have a way of stopping you getting COVID from blood donated by someone who had it right? Or is it not transmissible that way? I'm so happy that Covid can distinguish between a social gathering and a business one. In other news, https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1303450343452422151?s=19
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Apparently it can't be transmitted via blood which doesn't make a huge amount of sense to me but there's cleverer people than me that might be able to weigh in on why - maybe some kind of life cycle thing? I donated a month or two ago, they wanted me to take my mask off so they could better read the expression on my face in case I felt poorly, but I kept it on all the same. I was the only patient there with about 10 members of staff and 20 or so beds in a big open room, though they did pre-donation interviews with everyone in the same room. Prior to that you washed your hands in a private bathroom. I imagine everythings wiped down and that, but I always think about the vapours https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwX1XfgjFok
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It's notable that the BBC's coverage of the restrictions is almost clinical in how little they comment on things. Even Laura "I suck Boris' balls" Kuenssberg's column steers well clear of editorialising. Which, admittedly, isn't surprising since the only two possible editorial lines are 1) The British people are loving idiots for going out and socialising; or 2) The UK Govt is loving stupid for telling people it's okay to go out and socialise
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Jedit posted:Manslaughter is unintentional. It's the difference between 'I want to kill someone with this' and 'I don't care that someone is probably going to die because of the thing i did.' In the latter case I'm pretty sure there's a legal argument that fulfils the criteria for manslaughter, but I don't remember it. I also feel like calling it murder comes across as hyperbole, but people understand enough about manslaughter for it to give them pause.
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It can't be either anyway because you can't be held legally accountable for things you do in government. So call it murder why not, it's no less that than anything else.
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OwlFancier posted:It can't be either anyway because you can't be held legally accountable for things you do in government. Is that true? I didn't know that. So how do War Crimes trials happen then when the perpetrator is a government?
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As far as I know government officials in the UK literally can not be held legally responsible for the consequences of their decisions as long as the decisions themselves are not against the law.Jaeluni Asjil posted:So how do War Crimes trials happen then when the perpetrator is a government? Usually someone else invades and drags the people in question to another country's court, might makes right. Specifically re: the government thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_immunity#United_Kingdom quote:Historically, the general rule in the United Kingdom has been that the Crown has never been able to be prosecuted or proceeded against in either criminal or civil cases.[38] The only means by which civil proceedings could be brought were: So as far as I'm aware that means the government literally can not be criminally liable for anything except, like, not paying up on a contract or something. You could try to sue them civilly for something but lol good luck if you think you'll win. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Sep 9, 2020 |
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So corporations can sue the government for loss of profit, but people can't sue them for loss of income or life. Yep.
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I don't know specifically what "tort" means because it seems like it might include murder but the assumption seems to be that you wouldn't ever need a civil case for murder. Either way CPS aren't gonna sue the government. Also apparently all the nonce royals could escape capture if they just never leave their palaces. E: Looking further it seems like even if you could civilly sue the government for murder they couldn't go to prison for it because you can't send people to prison for civil offences, so it would be like, compensation money for killing your family or something. Which historically has been hilariously parsimonious. Like a couple hundred quid per dead child or something. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 02:27 on Sep 9, 2020 |
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Christ, this new Covid spin is such transparent bullshit. They're literally going to blame irresponsible young people for causing a 2nd wave, while in the next breath urging everyone to get back to work on public transport and pile into the bars and restaurants to boost the economy.
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Tarnop posted:But the contact tracers say all the transmission is happening in homes! No we don't have actual data to support that, and our world-beating contact tracing scheme definitely isn't just a way to add a hint of credibility to our "all work, no play" excuse for a lockdown They're probably right in that you get it off one person at work/the pub and immediately give it to everyone you live with because of the very close proximity (but then they also give it to someone at work). YOU don't infect people at work/the pub because someone else already did. But not going to work/the pub is how you break the transmission chain, unless the govt wanna spring for covid hotels like China.
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Miftan posted:They're probably right in that you get it off one person at work/the pub and immediately give it to everyone you live with because of the very close proximity (but then they also give it to someone at work). YOU don't infect people at work/the pub because someone else already did. But not going to work/the pub is how you break the transmission chain, unless the govt wanna spring for covid hotels like China. That sounds like it'll hurt GDP, much better to stop people transmitting it at home by banning going home. Conveniently your employer can deduct your rent for the 1947 Army surplus sleeping bag under your desk directly from your pay!
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If you spend all day locked inside a classroom with 30 other teenagers and a teacher, that's fine. You won't die of the virus (unless you decide to have underlying health conditions, like an idiot) so it's cool. If you go play football in the park after school with six of your classmates, that's a £100 fine. After all, you might not die but you could get really hosed up and kill your parents and grandparents, which is not cool. I'm glad we've learnt our lessons from the last six months, got the testing system all sorted out, and prepared for the inevitable mass school closures (which have already started) by planning for effective remote learning. It would have been crazy if we'd just assumed all schools will be running full time all year so we don't need to bother with that sort of thing.
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Communist Thoughts posted:All we need now is a government minister immediately hosting a 200 person sex party and the rules being dropped
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