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Is there a way to mark choices that you made in your first play-through? I'm trying to do a different character but I have to keep consciously NOT picking the same urconsciousness-artcritic-communard-supercop options because they were so much fun and interesting sounding the first time around.
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Philman posted:uh, the the most revered historical figure in this game had re-education camps in the name of atheism. Yes and she is literally portrayed as a religious icon in the stained glass window of a church ? And they use the language of iconography in the character portraits. And one of the most important game events talk has a character taking about the “light in the darkness.” It’s certainly and clearly a set of symbols being used by the writers.
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Sep 9, 2020 02:31
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Khizan posted:Give failure a chance. This would be a good thread title.
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Sep 9, 2020 02:59
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Bar Ran Dun posted:Yes and she is literally portrayed as a religious icon in the stained glass window of a church ? And they use the language of iconography in the character portraits. And one of the most important game events talk has a character taking about the “light in the darkness.” Yeah the innocence are treated basically as gods who can do no wrong because Them being an Innocence means they are history in the flesh meaning their every action isn't moral or amoral it's just What Was Meant To Happen. Even with the nods to Atheism the whole deal is still pulling a lot from religious dogma.
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Sep 9, 2020 03:10
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I would do incredibly distasteful things for a textbook of elysian history
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Sep 9, 2020 03:28
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Yeah the innocence are treated basically as gods who can do no wrong because Them being an Innocence means they are history in the flesh meaning their every action isn't moral or amoral it's just What Was Meant To Happen. Even with the nods to Atheism the whole deal is still pulling a lot from religious dogma. Kind of feels like the way that Americans treat the Founding Fathers (PBUT).  This is the painting on the roof of the Capitol rotunda. It's called The Apotheosis of George Washington. Literally deifying our first president.
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Sep 9, 2020 03:33
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Bar Ran Dun posted:It’s certainly and clearly a set of symbols being used by the writers. those are, sure, but there isnt a religious message to this game. I think you're reaching to try to connect revachol to anything religious. It's meant to be an alt-history pastiche of an eastern block city after the cold war. HDB doesnt have opposing religious dialogue options, he has political ones.
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Sep 9, 2020 03:39
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The Innocentric system absolutely fits in to a broader conception of religion with relation to justifying a social/historical order. The Innocences are historical messiahs. Gods/deities aren't really needed.
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Sep 9, 2020 04:06
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Philman posted:those are, sure, but there isnt a religious message to this game. I think you're reaching to try to connect revachol to anything religious. It's meant to be an alt-history pastiche of an eastern block city after the cold war. HDB doesnt have opposing religious dialogue options, he has political ones. That depends on what one means by a religious message. Religion is about our relationship with the symbols we use to talk about the Real. This game deals with that in spades. In Less Than Nothing, Zizek makes an assertion that the substance of Christianity is now found in Socialism. That is in the same vein as what I’m asserting about this game.
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Sep 9, 2020 05:09
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:IIRC red isn't associated with Communism in Elysium. from memory communism is white? presumably blood is still red though
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Sep 9, 2020 10:20
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Yeah, the communist color is white. But “the streets will run white once again” would just sound a bit David Starkey
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Sep 9, 2020 10:30
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Yeah the innocence are treated basically as gods who can do no wrong because Them being an Innocence means they are history in the flesh meaning their every action isn't moral or amoral it's just What Was Meant To Happen. Even with the nods to Atheism the whole deal is still pulling a lot from religious dogma. I did like how the Innocences were described as being able to bring things about from a non-military standpoint, but the most well known one (Franconegro) is almost synonymous with an elite cavalry regiment.
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Sep 9, 2020 12:13
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Samovar posted:I did like how the Innocences were described as being able to bring things about from a non-military standpoint, but the most well known one (Franconegro) is almost synonymous with an elite cavalry regiment. It's pretty difficult to make any reforms when the people you're reforming have soldiers and you don't.
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Sep 9, 2020 13:17
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Bar Ran Dun posted:That depends on what one means by a religious message. I mean that it doesn't have any opinion about religion that the player is supposed learn by playing the game.
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Sep 9, 2020 20:34
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I finally got the autopsy of the hanged man done, but now I need a fridge to stash him in and it's 23:00 - is there a way to get this done, or am I screwed?
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Sep 9, 2020 23:09
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Kestral posted:I finally got the autopsy of the hanged man done, but now I need a fridge to stash him in and it's 23:00 - is there a way to get this done, or am I screwed? You're not screwed, there's a way to get it done, if not right now then the next day....it's cold out, one more day of braving the elements won't hurt the hanged man any.
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Sep 9, 2020 23:14
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Kestral posted:I finally got the autopsy of the hanged man done, but now I need a fridge to stash him in and it's 23:00 - is there a way to get this done, or am I screwed? just keep failing forward
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Sep 9, 2020 23:17
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Philman posted:I mean that it doesn't have any opinion about religion that the player is supposed learn by playing the game. Well yes and no. In a western context a part of the baggage of the history of cultural Christianity, is that God is tied up with a bunch of concepts, the Ideal, the Real, the Logos just about anything in Neo-Platonism all of that is tied up with religion. So here’s what I would say. The game uses religious symbols to express complicated concepts intentionally. The game uses religious symbol from the creators context (iconography and I would argue things like the construction of the stave church too) The game deals with the Ideal and nothingness religion is tied up with that discourse for historical reasons. It has an opinion. It’s also hard not to look at “Innocents” without then immediately having to talk about Hegel. I mean one can play the normal games there, but ya know it’s like in his book title. Further that concept of the meaning and reason of the world as a human person, I mean come on. Soterology and the the possibility of an incarnation are explicit in this game. It’s got an opinion about religion.
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Sep 9, 2020 23:26
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The only good that ever came from my studying Hegel was from playing this game. Friends don't let friends read the Logic.
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Sep 10, 2020 12:51
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I'm not actually sure anyone makes reference to God in the game, though I could be wrong.
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Sep 10, 2020 13:04
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I'm not actually sure anyone makes reference to God in the game, though I could be wrong. I think that is correct I never saw the word God.. But there is plenty about Harry’s relationship with reality.
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Sep 10, 2020 13:51
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I'm not actually sure anyone makes reference to God in the game, though I could be wrong. You evidently didn't pay attention to Kim making the shot...
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Sep 10, 2020 14:00
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I'm not actually sure anyone makes reference to God in the game, though I could be wrong. only a few hundred times
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Sep 10, 2020 15:31
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THE LIST is a really dumb name
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Sep 10, 2020 15:40
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whydirt posted:THE LIST is a really dumb name  but maybe you should post this in the magic thread.
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Sep 10, 2020 16:21
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Playing a high INT build this time and boy do you feel good about yourself early game if you rush the body investigation, even got lucky with the shot to bring the body down
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Sep 10, 2020 16:37
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frajaq posted:Playing a high INT build this time and boy do you feel good about yourself early game if you rush the body investigation, even got lucky with the shot to bring the body down if DE had one more gun check hand/eye coordination would be one hell of a critical skill to have
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Sep 10, 2020 17:11
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Okay, I'm dumb. The treatment of religion is just different enough to throw me off, though I don't remember if there's an explicitly religious character.
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Sep 10, 2020 17:40
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DalaranJ posted:
Sorry I got turned around in the Pale
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Sep 10, 2020 17:48
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Okay, I'm dumb. The treatment of religion is just different enough to throw me off, though I don't remember if there's an explicitly religious character. Centrism is the religion.
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Sep 10, 2020 19:14
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Samovar posted:You evidently didn't pay attention to Kim making the shot... One of the best lines/moments in the game.
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Sep 10, 2020 19:39
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the worst thing i did in my rear end in a top hat playthrough was not give aces low to kim
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Sep 10, 2020 19:43
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Centrism is the religion. Moralism  e: but yeah, the developers have read a lot of hegel (which nobody, Nosfereefer fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Sep 10, 2020 |
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Sep 10, 2020 20:19
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Nosfereefer posted:Moralism Also critique of the RPG genre itself. I still keep giggling about the whole literal
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Sep 10, 2020 20:49
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scrolling through idly how the hell do you get that line about who acele’s dad is, apparently he killed a man with a kebab
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Sep 10, 2020 22:38
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World War Mammories posted:scrolling through idly She opens up with a very tough reaction speed test.
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Sep 10, 2020 23:19
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Lead out in cuffs posted:I still keep giggling about the whole literal It's even better, since you're literally not homeless. The entire Hobocop line of thought is a "what if" that kind of makes sense in the first act of the game. But you're not. It all falls apart when you realize that you have been on a steady paycheck for years, and even doing well during your breakdowns. but you could be the hobocop
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Sep 10, 2020 23:51
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World War Mammories posted:scrolling through idly wiegieman posted:She opens up with a very tough reaction speed test. That made me go all  when seeing the man on the pier, because iirc there's a kebab wrapper in the trash near the body.
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Sep 11, 2020 09:50
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frajaq posted:Playing a high INT build this time and boy do you feel good about yourself early game if you rush the body investigation, even got lucky with the shot to bring the body down visual calculus is extremely real and incredibly my friend
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Do I actually have to do anything for the waterway to open on Weds or do I just need to wait? The way it's worded is kind of confusing.
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