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We definitely know they would never consider any kind of compromise except one where they get less money for more creative control. They are the perfect avatars of their generation as far as that goes.
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I am Reverend posted:I'm not exactly holding my breath for an HBO continuation because I don't except Doc or Jackson will (or should) accept anything less than complete creative control. I'd rather have no ending than one where the network gives input to the effect of "Doc is too unlikeable" etc. Arrested Development got messed up because they waited so many years to make a new season and everyone had moved on and their schedules didn't line up.
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Sep 9, 2020 21:49
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Cojawfee posted:Arrested Development got messed up because they waited so many years to make a new season and everyone had moved on and their schedules didn't line up. The longer the show goes without being on a schedule, the more paintings of morose women smoking Doc starts 
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Sep 9, 2020 21:54
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uber_stoat posted:i feel like a lot of the institutional knowledge of piracy has been lost. many young people don't even know how the gently caress to operate a pc, much less torrents. some of them are as bad as boomers. I just checked and I still have the myspleen.org account I downloaded Seasons 1 and 2 and Harvey Birdman on. 
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Sep 9, 2020 22:28
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I am Reverend posted:I'm not exactly holding my breath for an HBO continuation because I don't except Doc or Jackson will (or should) accept anything less than complete creative control. I'd rather have no ending than one where the network gives input to the effect of "Doc is too unlikeable" etc. *rewatches S7* “You should probably sit down”
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Sep 9, 2020 22:31
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Season 7 was good and cool, actually.
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Sep 9, 2020 22:38
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Mantis42 posted:Season 7 was good and cool, actually. That’s how I feel about Arrested Developments later seasons also, but you can’t deny it’s definitely not in it’s prime anymore. I felt like S7 never hits the highs of 4-5
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Sep 9, 2020 22:39
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Entropic posted:I just checked and I still have the myspleen.org account I downloaded Seasons 1 and 2 and Harvey Birdman on. Used my account on there just a couple months ago to download all of Good Eats(as someone uploaded high quality rips of the entire series), and last year to get all of Beavis and Butt-Head
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Sep 9, 2020 22:43
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I never even heard of MySpleen. I just used random torrent sites and before that Limewire and Kazaa.
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Sep 9, 2020 22:47
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I really liked the S6 arc and its conclusion in S7. The rest of S7 was more hit or miss imo.
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Cojawfee posted:Arrested Development got messed up because they waited so many years to make a new season and everyone had moved on and their schedules didn't line up. That's less of an issue with voice work. It's not like they are all sitting together recording their lines.
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Sep 9, 2020 22:48
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The only season of VB that I thought wasn't as good or better than the preceding season was season 5. Season 5 felt a bit weak from the insane highs of season 4. 6 and 7 were both fantastic.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:I never even heard of MySpleen. I just used random torrent sites and before that Limewire and Kazaa. Well they're one of those sites where you have to have an invite to make an account and access the site so that's probably part of it
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Sep 9, 2020 22:51
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drrockso20 posted:Well they're one of those sites where you have to have an invite to make an account and access the site so that's probably part of it Invites have also been turned off since like 2014 I think
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Sep 9, 2020 23:08
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I really liked the S6 arc and its conclusion in S7. The rest of S7 was more hit or miss imo. I remember being really lukewarm on S6 since there wasn't really a proper finale, but the S7 three-part opener was such an incredible payoff that it honestly sold me on never writing VB off again. I think the rest of Season 7 was good anyway but it could be crap and that three-parter would still be near-peak VB. Really I would be happy if they got a single season or a movie to finish things up. I don't think it's the type of series that needs every single mystery answered and I'm more than happy with all we've gotten, but I would really hate for the series to end with Hank leaving without resolving things with Dean.
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Sep 9, 2020 23:36
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If you consider The High Cost of Loathing to be the real season 7 premiere it's my favorite premiere since season 2 and is probably the number one episode I would recommend to somebody to start the show with.
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Sep 10, 2020 01:34
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If the Hulu rights thing manages to be legit, they should just go for titling the new season "Season 8" with a big VB logo attached. And if it gets renewed again, the show is retitled "Season 9" and so on. Then once anything VB is completely reacquired by Warner, retroactively retitle them (but the openings still call them Season X). It's dumb, but it's feels VB dumb to me.
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Sep 10, 2020 03:20
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Seasons 6&7 are the point where you have to be invested in the show for it to really have any impact. Everything before that can be more or less understood without prior knowledge. Once you hit gargantua 2 it kind of just starts rolling and doesn’t stop
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Sep 10, 2020 03:24
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Bust Rodd posted:That’s how I feel about Arrested Developments later seasons also, but you can’t deny it’s definitely not in it’s prime anymore. I felt like S7 never hits the highs of 4-5 The highs of 4, I’ll give you, but S7 is absolutely better than S5. S7E5 (the treaty of tolerance one) is one of my favorite episodes of the entire show. E:And saying it wasn’t as good as S4 is like saying a season of Justified wasn’t as good as S2. I mean, obviously it isn’t, both of those things are basically perfect seasons of television.
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Sep 10, 2020 03:25
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Shoreleave eyefucking Dragoon & Red Mantle right before he says "wanna fight me for my golden fleece you loving hydra" is just brilliant, imo.
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Sep 10, 2020 03:26
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Season 5 and 3 are probably my least favorite seasons after the first. 2 (with the exception of Love Bheits) 4 7 and 6 are basically perfect television for me the whole way through
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Sep 10, 2020 03:34
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Season 2 was the peak of the show.
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Sep 10, 2020 03:50
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The guy from labyrinth turned into a bird!
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Sep 10, 2020 04:39
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Starting to wonder if this post might actually eventually come true:Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Part of me wonders if they'll get to the point where they just say "gently caress it" and end the series as a edit: I don't mean "gently caress-off" as in like "get lost" but as in a modifier a la "seriously gigantic"
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Sep 10, 2020 05:55
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I've been rewatching the show during lockdown and just reached S5, and while I was a bit lukewarm on it at the time I find myself appreciating it a lot more now. When it first broadcast it felt like the series was spinning its wheels a bit at that point (and I think they admitted as much in the book), but now with the benefit of hindsight it's a great capstone to the 'classic' VB era before they start switching things up in S6. Feels like there's a little bit of everything in that season, and pretty much every side character gets a moment to shine. I don't think there's any episodes there I'd rank as my favourites, but pretty much all of them are still a ton of fun. E: S5 was also the point where I realized that I liked Hatred more than Brock. He's such a fun character and imo just has much better chemistry with Doc and the boys, and it really feels like they nailed writing him during that season. It's a shame they ended up sidelining him for Brock again, who tbh has felt a bit flat ever since he got reintroduced in S6. His whole plotline in the S7 finale, while awesome, really highlighted that they haven't known what to do with his character for a while now. pablo gbscobar fucked around with this message at 07:04 on Sep 10, 2020 |
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Sep 10, 2020 06:49
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Brock is cool, but he's kind of one note. He's the suave guy who easily murders whatever no-name that attacks him. Hatred has a bunch more layers and is a more interesting character, even if he is a pedophile.
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Cojawfee posted:Brock is cool, but he's kind of one note. He's the suave guy who easily murders whatever no-name that attacks him. Hatred has a bunch more layers and is a more interesting character, even if he is a pedophile. He supposedly wasn't *always* a pedophile, it was a side-effect of the Super Soldier serum the OSI gave him. We also don't know if he ever acted on it, but I honestly wouldn't have put it past the Guild when they recruited him. Also, we were just starting to see Brock become something other than a one-note character, especially with him hooking up with Warriana and giving up on Molotov.
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Sep 10, 2020 07:57
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BIG HEADLINE posted:He supposedly wasn't *always* a pedophile, it was a side-effect of the Super Soldier serum the OSI gave him. We also don't know if he ever acted on it, but I honestly wouldn't have put it past the Guild when they recruited him. In an... I want to say S2 episode Hank says that whatever happened with Hatred while Dean was passed out from wine was “awful” so he definitely did some pedo poo poo at some point.
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Sep 10, 2020 08:10
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There's a scene in S7 where Hatred is giving a tour to a bunch of schoolchildren and cheerfully regales them with a story from his supervillain days, and even though it's kind of a throwaway bit I remember thinking that the amount of groundwork and development they've had to put his character through to arrive at a place like that organically is really quite staggering when you stop and think about it. To think that all started from a one-off joke about the boys getting molested is amazing
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Sep 10, 2020 08:31
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BIG HEADLINE posted:He supposedly wasn't *always* a pedophile, it was a side-effect of the Super Soldier serum the OSI gave him. We also don't know if he ever acted on it, but I honestly wouldn't have put it past the Guild when they recruited him. Yeah they do make it very clear that Hatred HATES that aspect of himself, which is probably the best thing you can do when you have someone like him become a protagonist, well that and them revealing that his pedophilia is artificial in nature and putting him on medication to further combat it
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Sep 10, 2020 09:04
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I think it's pretty clear the reveal about his pedophilia being the result of OSI's super-serum was a soft-retcon of sorts. They didn't literally retcon him out of being a pedophile, but they realized he was a much more fun, complex, and sympathetic character than they originally intended and - between that and their own growing maturity as people and writers - realized having him be a pedophile was kind of a problem and that this was essentially a soft retcon. No, no, he did pedophile things in the past, but he actually was never a *real* pedophile and isn't one by nature and is all better now!
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Sep 10, 2020 09:28
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The pedophile thing was a terrible idea, especially in woke 2020 (seriously waiting for an Internet warrior to try to cancel the show oh too late!), but I quote "it was mostly awful" every day
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One of the things I find most interesting about the show is despite how long-running it is, how deep and in some ways convoluted the plot is, and the massive cast of characters, there are to my knowledge no explicit literal retcons and only one plot hole/contradiction* that cannot possibly be rectified by assuming imperfect knowledge on the part of the characters. *The dates and details surrounding Jonas Sr.'s death given in the last season are impossible given what we saw earlier. It creates a plothole with what we know about Brock and when he joined up with OSI in the earlier seasons.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:One of the things I find most interesting about the show is despite how long-running it is, how deep and in some ways convoluted the plot is, and the massive cast of characters, there are to my knowledge no explicit literal retcons and only one plot hole/contradiction* that cannot possibly be rectified by assuming imperfect knowledge on the part of the characters. How does it create a plothole? Brock joined the army after getting kicked off the football team and was sent to OSI almost immediately. They were never specific about when that happened, iirc.
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I might be misremembering but from what I recall off hand Brock was implied or said to be in OSI when Movie Night happened as of Season 8, which doesn't line up with when he joined from the earlier seasons. Something like that. I'm doing a rewatch and on Season 3's finale ATM so I'll get there soon enough, but yeah. I recall it sticking out and I think being mentioned here. There was something.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:I might be misremembering but from what I recall off hand Brock was implied or said to be in OSI when Movie Night happened as of Season 8, which doesn't line up with when he joined from the earlier seasons. Something like that. I'm doing a rewatch and on Season 3's finale ATM so I'll get there soon enough, but yeah. I recall it sticking out and I think being mentioned here. There was something. No he says every OSI rookie is taught what happened at movie night. He even specifically notes that he was recruited to fight in the pyramid wars started in the aftermath of movie night. I don't think any previous season has him in the OSI any earlier.
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You might be mixed up: Brock specifically said that he was recruited by the OSI to fight in the Pyramid Wars set off by Movie Night, and Red Mantle and Dragoon were greatly amused to see him realise that his entire life has been defined by a lie.
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Oh, nice. So I misremembered. That's even cooler and more impressive then. All those years of make-it-up-as-you-go-along continuity and the closest thing to a contradiction or retcon is really just the soft retconning of Hatred's pedophilia. I think it's as much a testament to how 'real' and great the characters are as anything else.
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Sep 10, 2020 13:15
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Really the only thing that was disappointing and went nowhere/left completely unexplained were the Investors.
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