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| Melinda Rust (née Megamelons) |
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13 | 5.86% |
| Twitch streamers |
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9 | 4.05% |
| VTube animes |
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27 | 12.16% |
| Any of the other –ette monstrosities |
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10 | 4.50% |
| [Lie] I don’t get horny. |
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54 | 24.32% |
| Other (Bowsette) |
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93 | 41.89% |
| Now that I'm an IK, I can make my own option |
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13 | 5.86% |
| David Crossup |
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1 | 0.45% |
| Bob PSPGodenkirk |
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2 | 0.90% |
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Infinitum posted:That's the general way of it though. WoW has the same 'problem'. This gets less true for the WoL as time goes on but it's the sort of thing that creeps in slowly. Stuff like the Dark Knight questline and the Shadowbringers main scenario end up being more personal stories than they first appear going in, but the bulk of the story fits into that more typical mmo mold until the writers get more comfortable breaking out of it. There's moments from HW onwards where it's clear the WoL has built up attachments to certain characters. After a couple of betrayals involving poisoned drinks the WoL clearly starts showing signs of PTSD whenever alcohol gets involved, and one late game sidequest even gives you the option to decide if and how that trauma might still affect the Warrior of Light. Shadowbringers, incidentally, is the expac that allows you to run dungeons with NPCs who have their own chatter and AI quirks. Through HW and Stormblood the story slowly starts treating the WoL's NPC companions as their JRPG party, but in ShB this becomes true in a mechanical sense. ShB even reveals the Warrior of Light's backstory of all things and when you learn it a lot of little details and curious bits of foreshadowing start coming together in retrospect. But all of this is gated by like 500 hours of mmo-rear end mmoing and I can't in good conscience gush about Shadowbringers without throwing that caveat in there. For most people that's too big of an ask, and honestly they're right. So all I can do is rant and rave about a thing I love with the knowledge that it's not going to get the attention I think it genuinely deserves. The main villain of Shadowbringers, Emet-Selch, managed to knock Sephiroth from the top spot of a Japanese popularity poll for FF villains. He's a sleazy, smarmy, middle-aged man who basically everybody called a ratfucker just from looking at him. And now he's the most heartwrenching, and thus popular, villain in the franchise. I mean seriously, what the gently caress.
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:I've always thought of PUBG as the EverQuest of Battle Royale shooters; it was big when it came out and essentially built a whole new genre but lovely development and an insistence on weird inane bullshit crippled its long term viability, especially once competitors who knew what they were doing and didn't care about any of said inane bullshit started cropping up. its the biggest br and one of the biggest games ever made, it just doesnt seem like it in the west where fortnite is bigger.
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Sep 10, 2020 11:39
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i really like ff14 but never got the specific praise for the music, its pretty generic
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Sep 10, 2020 11:43
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There's like 10-20 tracks that are constantly used in the background of cutscenes throughout all of the expansions that really grate after a few hundred hours.
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Sep 10, 2020 11:50
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It's possible to grab a generic steam emulator and have someone who has the game on steam zip and send their folder to you. I think it's fine for games that are in a lovely limbo state, like Alpha Protocol.
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Sep 10, 2020 11:51
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Kerrzhe posted:i happened to get the dog in sea of thieves that looks the most like the dog of wisdom Looks like a good dog! Never expected them to add dogs as a pet, can they perch on railings like other animals? I need to get myself and my friends back to it and finish the Tall Tale story missions, the ones we did were all really good.
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Sep 10, 2020 12:03
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The best ff14 track is the one that plays in amh areng or however it's spelled
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Sep 10, 2020 12:23
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StoryTime posted:It's possible to grab a generic steam emulator and have someone who has the game on steam zip and send their folder to you. I think it's fine for games that are in a lovely limbo state, like Alpha Protocol. Don't even need that, the Steam version is DRM free if you launch it from the APGame.exe
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Sep 10, 2020 12:54
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fridge corn posted:The best ff14 track is the one that plays in amh areng or however it's spelled Sorry, you were way off on your attempt to spell Kugane, but that's the correct way, for future reference.
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Sep 10, 2020 13:11
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Stux posted:i really like ff14 but never got the specific praise for the music, its pretty generic I'm playing through the story of FF14 right now. I have played WoW since the end of Burning Crusade so as I'm playing FF14, I'm gonna be comparing it a lot to WoW. As far as the music goes so far for me personally, WoW has overwall WAY better zone music. Except for a handful of exceptions like Uldah, I really don't like the zone music in FF14. I'm doing Stormblood right now and so you spend a lot of time in a placed called Yanxia. And I HATE the music for that zone. It sounds like someone playing a recorder badly. I can't stand it. I think WoW just does zone music so much better and has overall better music in the zones. Like there hasn't been any zone music in FF14 that really hits me the way places like Howling Fjord, Jade Forest, Dazar'alor, etc, I'm not gonna name every zone However when it comes to boss music, WoW doesn't even come close. I think they sort of have boss music? But it's not memorable and I think very little of the dungeon music really knocks it out of the park in general. However in FF14, the bosses, like the primals and whatever other bosses have their own unique boss music most (all?) of the time and it's always REALLY good. A recent boss battle I did was the primal lady that the snake people worshiped and I was in awe at the music during that fight. It seemed to ramp up when she was doing her attack where she pulls everyone in with her arms and it was drat this is sick. I could sit here and write a novel of the things I prefer about WoW over FF14 and the other way around, but I just want to comment on one other thing that I notice the most outside the music: Lurdiak posted:The basic gameplay loop is fine but this game was hyped to me as "so much better than wow" and so far that's only true of the graphics. And this is something I just will never agree with. I think FF14 looks... decent at best. Now the boss fights are awesome and that's clearly where they go all out visually, but when it comes to how the world looks, how the races look, and just the general art style of the game, I think this game is SEVERELY lacking. WoW's art style just works for me in a way this game doesn't, and I think the way the world looks end up suffering a lot visually in ways that I don't think WoW's does. There's plenty of zones in FF14 that do look good for what they are, but they are all held back for me by the art style of the game and the games ends up looking kind of dated in a way that WoW doesn't for me. Now I haven't gotten to Shadowbringers yet, so maybe those zones are just leagues ahead of the rest of the game so we'll see. But in general I prefer how WoW looks, and this also goes for the races which are just more fun and have more options than "human but a cat, human but a bunny, human but has a weird bear nose". The Hrothgar are the closest I guess to feeling like a WoW race to me but they're not really there. Like there really isn't a race that comes close to my fox girl in WoW, and it's doubly frustrating because they love to populate FF14 with background races I would love to play as, but are just NPCs. I do think Lalafells are loving adorable though and I will protect those little potatoes with my life. Macaluso fucked around with this message at 13:36 on Sep 10, 2020 |
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Sep 10, 2020 13:19
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What the gently caress is a fox girl in WoW? I played nonstop for like 2 decades but this the first time I have ever seen the phrase "fox girl" Is this a mandela thing or is it just some new bullshit from battle for azeroth because I noped out on that, hard edit: ff14 is really good, ya'll
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Sep 10, 2020 13:35
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postmodifier posted:What the gently caress is a fox girl in WoW? I played nonstop for like 2 decades but this the first time I have ever seen the phrase "fox girl" The Vulpera, a fox race that was introduced in BFA.  postmodifier posted:edit: ff14 is really good, ya'll I should state I'm enjoying FF14 despite those things I don't like Macaluso fucked around with this message at 13:39 on Sep 10, 2020 |
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Sep 10, 2020 13:36
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I have not played WoW but looking at google images the races are all v ugly to me
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Sep 10, 2020 13:40
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I... I honestly have no real reaction to that, because I was prepared to eye-roll myself to death over some new cheesecake furry bullshit, but instead it's like, chaste tiny animal people... I still don't like it but I will live in peace with it, alongside my true friends, the lalafell
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Sep 10, 2020 13:40
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WoW looked fine in 2005. It looks utterly disgusting now, no matter how far they try to warp and stretch the engine. When it's the main thing you play though it's really easy to forget how ugly it is.
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Sep 10, 2020 13:47
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Oops! All game leaks! Help Im Alive posted:I have not played WoW but looking at google images the races are all v ugly to me That's because you forgot to google Dwarves. The best race.
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Sep 10, 2020 13:49
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stev posted:WoW looked fine in 2005. It looks utterly disgusting now, no matter how far they try to warp and stretch the engine. I just don't agree, or think it's ugly. There are remnants of vanilla I wish would go away though that are ugly, like all the original mounts.
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Sep 10, 2020 13:50
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I wish they'd stop reusing the same skeletons and rigs for loving everything. It's like you get 1-2 new models each expansion, and then they just reskin everything. Sure do love that 1 dragon rig on every loving flying mount since Burning Crusades! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiNfDAEGiHY
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Sep 10, 2020 13:53
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Macaluso posted:(snip) Oh I definitely think WoW has the advantage as far as scenery goes, FF14's textures aren't great and it's really obvious when you're flying over zones. Which isn't great because the entire overworld in FF14 is basically just flyover country after you're done with any given zone's story arc. There are few zones whose music really sticks in the mind positively and at the moment I can really only name a handful from Shadowbringers. Amh Araeng's got incredibly chill lofi beats, Rak'tika Greatwood's music very quickly turned into a love-it-or-hate it meme in the community, and the Tempest has a quietly evocative leitmotif that get put to even better use as intensely stirring dungeon and boss music at the very end of the expac, to a degree overshadowing its use as zone music. And that last bit goes to show the differences between WoW and FF14's approaches to music and set pieces. This even extends to locations that are, themselves, more set pieces than zones themselves. The New Nest, the Ishgard Restoration theme I'd posted earlier, is some of the most moving and uplifting music in the game but, though it's the background music for a crafting mini-zone in a city, storywise it and the entire crafting zone are effectively an emotional set piece for the Ishgard's postwar narrative. It's hopeful and idyllic without being insincere or cloying. And it represents reconstruction and reconciliation between two nations who were previously locked in a millennia-long forever war. And that's the kind of ideas and tone I appreciate FF14 for, as I know WoW is too invested in its own forever wars to really consider exploring this sort of story in a lasting or satisfactory way. Also the New Nest theme is just Masayoshi Soken absolutely flexing on his piano and I really want to be able to grab it as an orchestrion roll somewhere down the line. Here's the piano solo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFwcFAXVx3I Runa fucked around with this message at 13:59 on Sep 10, 2020 |
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Sep 10, 2020 13:54
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Infinitum posted:I wish they'd stop reusing the same skeletons and rigs for loving everything. That takes me back to WotLK where 90% of my enjoyment of the endgame came from trying to get all the cool drake skins. The bastards were everywhere.
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Sep 10, 2020 13:57
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Xarbala posted:WoW is too invested in its own forever wars to really consider exploring this sort of story in a lasting or satisfactory way. They've literally had 4-5 prominent story moments where merging the factions would make 100% sense; as WoW is 100% design by committee now. Shadowlands is straight up shoehorning in the faction war again, rather than allow players to have any sense of actual agency, while continuing to show story NPCs frequently interacting with opposing factions.
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Sep 10, 2020 13:59
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Infinitum posted:I wish they'd stop reusing the same skeletons and rigs for loving everything. Yeah, I do agree that this is a huge problem they really need to stop doing. They definitely can make it work, Vulpera using the Goblin skeleton/rig/whatever and the Worgen and Sethrak doing so also work fine as they go out of their way to make them look different and give them animations that make them not seem like they're using the same base. But then you have instances like this dragon mount, which hasn't been updated since really vanilla. At the very least they should use the Proto Dragon skeleton just to spice it up a bit. I get why they do it, and when they dress it up enough I don't think it's a problem at all, but there's plenty of times where it's blatant and badly done like this mount
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Sep 10, 2020 13:59
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Infinitum posted:They've literally had 4-5 prominent story moments where merging the factions would make 100% sense. Despite the fact that I played and left WoW years ago, just knowing this is frustrating as hell.
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Sep 10, 2020 14:00
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I've tried to get into FFXIV a couple of times, but it's just not worth doing unless you're the kind of person who already allows themselves to get too deep on MMOs, which frankly, probably isn't a good kind of person to be
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Sep 10, 2020 14:08
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Xarbala posted:Despite the fact that I played and left WoW years ago, just knowing this is frustrating as hell. I don't even give a poo poo if the factions still exist for ~story~ purposes, but it limits your options as a player and it's so loving frustrating to go: 1.) We hate each other! FOR REASONS! 2.) Gah gently caress you! 3.) Oh no the true enemy is here! 4.) We need to put aside our differences and defeat the true enemy! 5.) Yay we won! 6.) HEY THAT ONE PERSON WAS A BIT OF A FUCKWIT TO US! 7.) WAR!" Every. Single. Expansion. You think I'm being facetious, but that's literally what happened for like the last 4-5 expansions One of the new Allied Races decides to join the Horde, even through both factions helped them tremendously, because on Alliance leader walked up to them and went: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzdKyirtAis (Now I am being facetious  )
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Sep 10, 2020 14:08
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Macaluso posted:The Vulpera, a fox race that was introduced in BFA. Okay that is a pretty cool race in WoW. I looked it up though and it requires doing a reputation grind, so WoW still remains on no touch mode (along with all blizzard games).
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Sep 10, 2020 14:11
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I said come in! posted:Okay that is a pretty cool race in WoW. I looked it up though and it requires doing a reputation grind, so WoW still remains on no touch mode (along with all blizzard games). The unlock requirements aren't as bad now for 2 reasons - In Shadowlands you can level anywhere (And levelling is super quick 1-50) - They remove the exalted requirement Basically you do a, relatively long, quest chain and you'll be able to unlock that that Race. (It's still super dumb)
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Sep 10, 2020 14:18
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Ughhhhh I don't want to play WoW again but look at that fox!!!!
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Sep 10, 2020 14:21
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Macaluso posted:I'm playing through the story of FF14 right now. I have played WoW since the end of Burning Crusade so as I'm playing FF14, I'm gonna be comparing it a lot to WoW. As far as the music goes so far for me personally, WoW has overwall WAY better zone music. Except for a handful of exceptions like Uldah, I really don't like the zone music in FF14. I'm doing Stormblood right now and so you spend a lot of time in a placed called Yanxia. And I HATE the music for that zone. It sounds like someone playing a recorder badly. I can't stand it. I think WoW just does zone music so much better and has overall better music in the zones. Like there hasn't been any zone music in FF14 that really hits me the way places like Howling Fjord, Jade Forest, Dazar'alor, etc, I'm not gonna name every zone wows music is also generic and bad to me
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Sep 10, 2020 14:21
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Stux posted:wows music is also generic and bad to me okay
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Sep 10, 2020 14:22
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just want to clarify bcos it seems you read it as "compared to other mmos" but i still think ff14 is the best mmo on every possible metric inclduing the music
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Sep 10, 2020 14:24
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ShallNoiseUpon posted:Ughhhhh I don't want to play WoW again but look at that fox!!!! They added a FUCKLOAD of character customisation in Shadowlands. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RozrXjo6p0M
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Sep 10, 2020 14:25
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Macaluso posted:okay A broken clock's right twice a day.
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Sep 10, 2020 14:25
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Infinitum posted:They added a FUCKLOAD of character customisation in Shadowlands. The only customization I need: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fC7oUOUEEi4
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Sep 10, 2020 14:26
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WotLK had dope music I will fight people
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Sep 10, 2020 14:27
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Infinitum posted:I don't even give a poo poo if the factions still exist for ~story~ purposes, but it limits your options as a player and it's so loving frustrating to go: This is why I wish they'd just call it a day and sunset WoW. I used to scoff at the RTS purists who said that WoW ruined the Warcraft story, but having to keep a game's story going in perpetuity while also refusing to make any major changes to how the game works has resulted in crazy stagnation. I doubt they'd ever do it now (and they've lost most of the talent they'd need to make it work anyway) but I'd love to see a Warcraft story set after WoW, after the foreverwar has stopped dominating the narrative. Either a Warcraft 4 or a WoW2 would give the story the shakeup it needs. I gave up any hope of that happening around the time WoD dropped and Blizzard decided it could recycle plot points and characters forever. It doesn't help that they've systemically resolved/killed every narrative thread possible now, and the new ones they're coming up with are... Not good.
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Sep 10, 2020 14:31
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I've always said they should do War4, and a new WoW expansion at the same time. Story beats play out in War 4, then are resolved in WoW. The terrain of WoW would constantly shift based on the outcomes of MILLIONS of campaigns being compiled to show which way the plot should turn. Designed by committee, except the players are the committee. Actual agency (Gasp)
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Sep 10, 2020 14:34
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Well it's not called World of Peacecraft, now, is it
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Sep 10, 2020 14:34
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Like beyond saying whether you liked it or not, don't debate the quality of music imho (on this kind of forum anyway). Too many intangible components for it to be settled as something right or wrong, good or bad. I'm reminded of that giant bomb GOTY show where they fast forward through some songs they've never heard, completely divorced of their context, to chin stroke about their quality.
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ymgve posted:Well it's not called World of Peacecraft, now, is it The war between the Alliance and the Horde wasn't a thing until Warcraft 3, and not even really until WoW started.
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