|
Ethiser posted:The Kapool is for fools who don't understand true beauty. Now the Capule, that right there is a mobile suit that all others should aspire to be. Counterargument: The Capule doesn't have a rocket punch.
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2020 03:53
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 4, 2024 03:35 |
|
|
chiasaur11 posted:Of course it isn't. this is also acceptable. although recently I've become a big fan of this guy https://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/moon/ems-13.htm
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2020 03:54
|
|
|
I like my stupid mobile suit designs to be aesthetically pleasing while they're stupid. The ZZ is a pile of poo poo that sucks in every conceivable way but I love it. If you asked me to pick between the Ball and the Oggo I'd pick the Ball 100% of the time because it's adorable while also being useless whereas the Oggo looks like a random piece of scrap metal.
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2020 05:22
|
|
|
tsob posted:I'm pretty sure 08th MS Team starts before units like the Dom were standard, but even if it didn't then the Luna Titanium still gives the units protection against Zakus and some weapons from other units that others aren't afforded, and that's still a pretty big deal since they mostly deal with Zakus in the early episodes if I recall. Episode 1 has a televised speech by Gihren where he's in front of garmas giant portrait. Which means its post operation V but also the rg-79s seem like they've been there for a while.
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2020 05:25
|
|
|
Kanos posted:I like my stupid mobile suit designs to be aesthetically pleasing while they're stupid. The ZZ is a pile of poo poo that sucks in every conceivable way but I love it. That's why I love the Oggo, even more so than the Ball it's the result of Zeon taking the most basic stuff they have on hand to create a viable weapon Stairmaster posted:Episode 1 has a televised speech by Gihren where he's in front of garmas giant portrait. Which means its post operation V but also the rg-79s seem like they've been there for a while. Relatively recently they gave some expansion on where the Ground Type Gundams(and GM's) came from
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2020 05:42
|
|
|
Sanders was flying a prototype GM on a test run in the first episode when he was ambushed by Aina's Zaku testbed. They just hadn't rolled out the main GM line yet since those didn't see mass deployment until they got the sudden boon of the Gundam's learning computer data. There were maybe 20 ground gundams, tops, with perhaps 40 ground GMs entering service during Operation Odessa. This is discounting the Blue Destiny 79G variants.
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2020 06:19
|
|
|
Kanos posted:I like my stupid mobile suit designs to be aesthetically pleasing while they're stupid. The ZZ is a pile of poo poo that sucks in every conceivable way but I love it. I love the ZZ because it's such a fundamental misunderstanding of what the federation wants and Anaheim's desperate attempt to appeal to them. They made this huge machine that featues all these clashing systems just all shoved into it to be like "Take your pick and choose what you like!" And the federation just completely ignores it, points to the Zeta and goes "More of that, please." Like... Kamille is actually one of the greatest MS designers of all time, as not only was the Zeta basically 'perfect' many would try and fail to replicate it but cheaper. Onmi fucked around with this message at 06:55 on Sep 10, 2020 |
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2020 06:50
|
|
|
Onmi posted:I love the ZZ because it's such a fundamental misunderstanding of what the federation wants and Anaheim's desperate attempt to appeal to them. They made this huge machine that featues all these clashing systems just all shoved into it to be like "Take your pick and choose what you like!" And the federation just completely ignores it, points to the Zeta and goes "More of that, please." I'm going through Zeta now, and it's hilarious how they treat the Zeta, the big midseason upgrade, initially. Kamille designs it in his spare time, and it's just built off-screen with little build up. "Hey Kamille I'm saving you with that Gundam you designed." "Oh neat."  Also, the ZZ being the Gundam equivalent of that Lamborghini SUV from the 80s. I love it too, and it's MS-sized Maglight beam sabers. Neo_Crimson fucked around with this message at 08:39 on Sep 10, 2020 |
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2020 08:20
|
|
|
I'll always appreciate Igloo 2 for actually sticking to how awful it is to be a grunt, rather than just a brief glimpse then back to ace pilot stuff.
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2020 08:33
|
|
|
Argas posted:I'll always appreciate Igloo 2 for actually sticking to how awful it is to be a grunt, rather than just a brief glimpse then back to ace pilot stuff. The only thing good about Igloo (and the only place my opinion intersects with bees's) was the episode about the grunts hunting a Zaku with an ATGM. That was metal, and finally answered the question of what does the average doorkicker do when a six story tall tank shows up.
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2020 15:17
|
|
|
Kanos posted:The ZZ is a pile of poo poo that sucks in every conceivable way
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2020 15:18
|
|
|
Classon Ave. Robot posted:I tried watching IGLOO on my watch-through of all the main gundam series excluding SD, gunpla, and AGE, but it was too ugly for me to make it more than a few minutes. Thunderbolt shouldn't be watched in episodic format. The movies are the finished product, the OVAs are just chopped-up previews.
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2020 15:47
|
|
|
Warmachine posted:Also, if you read an American Civil War analogy onto the OYW, the Federation as the Union fits this theme: they were slow to start, but once the war machine ramped up they could mass produce way better gun(dam)s than the other team. I think there is more drawn from the ACW than just the anology. The clothing of Zeon nobility for example often has the look of 19th century clothing worn by the social elite. Zeon military uniforms also seem to draw some inspiration from that era.
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2020 15:50
|
|
|
Burns posted:I think there is more drawn from the ACW than just the anology. The clothing of Zeon nobility for example often has the look of 19th century clothing worn by the social elite. Zeon military uniforms also seem to draw some inspiration from that era. The more obvious analogy remains Space WWII, though.
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2020 15:56
|
|
|
Specifically the Pacific War. Zeon might be Space Nazis visually but their structure is a pretty blatant parallel to Imperial Japan.
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2020 16:21
|
|
|
Not enough intra-service fratricide to be a perfect analogy for Imperial Japan, though.
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2020 16:46
|
|
|
grassy gnoll posted:Not enough intra-service fratricide to be a perfect analogy for Imperial Japan, though. 🤨😐😐😃😃
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2020 17:03
|
|
|
grassy gnoll posted:Not enough intra-service fratricide to be a perfect analogy for Imperial Japan, though. You saw 08th MS Team right? Or the M'quve storyline?
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2020 17:34
|
|
|
grassy gnoll posted:Not enough intra-service fratricide to be a perfect analogy for Imperial Japan, though. 
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2020 21:59
|
|
|
Char didn't come there to kill Garma, he came there to laugh at him.
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2020 22:43
|
|
|
Arcsquad12 posted:Char didn't come there to kill Garma, he came there to laugh at him. 
|
|
#
?
Sep 10, 2020 22:46
|
|
|
my controversial gundam take from watching ibo is that i honestly dont have any problem with the turbines
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2020 00:32
|
|
|
Endorph posted:my controversial gundam take from watching ibo is that i honestly dont have any problem with the turbines My only real issue with it anymore is that they used a really stereotypical example of polyamory that has a very sordid history, at least in the West. I used to have a power dynamic issue with it as well (never gently caress your boss, they've already hosed you once  ), but ultimately this seems like a minor issue. On subsequent watches, I didn't really see any signs that there was any coercion for sex going on. Anyone who was with Naze did so of their own free will. Anyone who didn't just did their job and collected the paycheck (and maybe wasn't explicitly addressed on screen). And if/when you wanted to leave, you were free to go, as evidenced how they talk about Lafter.It's just the one-guy-n-women polycule is really tired and played out in media, especially when paired with a sexist world--that's some Dominic Deegan level work right there.
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2020 01:01
|
|
|
the main thing that sells it for me is that naze barely seems to really have the power in the relationship. like the girls are constantly teasing him, pushing him around, talking him into letting them do what they want, etc. he's not exactly 'whipped' or anything but its clear that if he ever did anything any of them didn't want they'd mutiny as a unit
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2020 01:26
|
|
|
I mean, I do think it's supposed to be not-great because the way their organisation is destroyed is a direct parallel of how Tekkadan collapse afterwards (there was never a reason for anyone except Naze and possibly Amida to end up anywhere remotely near that Gjallarhorn fleet other than cultish devotion), and because the Turbines' happy ending is that they end up being led by Azee, who's competent but not mega-charismatic and who rose from the ranks rather than just appointing herself as the guardian of a bunch of lost girls one day. Sure, Naze doesn't coerce his women, but he doesn't stop them from developing a faith in him and his judgement that's so extreme that he can never live up to it, just like his student Orga does for Tekkadan. Darth Walrus fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Sep 11, 2020 |
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2020 01:37
|
|
|
oh yeah i dotn think theyre literally perfect textually, more just that people treat it as like, a flaw of the *show* but i dont really think it detracts from anything. its mildly off at worst
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2020 01:46
|
|
|
Endorph posted:my controversial gundam take from watching ibo is that i honestly dont have any problem with the turbines Yeah of the problems often cited w/r/t IBO it's definitely the one I tend to just kind of shrug at when I see it. As you said, it's not a perfect aspect or anything, but nothing about it ever really pulled me out of the show or anything. Also Amida was just extremely cool. Azee also. I really enjoyed putting the former in the Astaroth in Cross Rays.
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2020 02:11
|
|
|
i love lafter a lot honestly, she gets some good lines and has a great design. wish she got a bit more to do but eh
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2020 02:19
|
|
|
Also, the Hyakuri is extremely rad.
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2020 02:23
|
|
|
One interesting bit about the Turbines? I read in an interview with Mari Okada that their dynamic was her decision. Other writers considered writing more "conventional" harem dynamics with infighting and arguing, but she went "No, they're a family, the women here all know the deal and they all get along pretty well." (Which lead to jokes that she didn't understand the appeal of a harem at all.)
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2020 02:25
|
|
|
chiasaur11 posted:One interesting bit about the Turbines? mari okada saved this loving show
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2020 02:38
|
|
|
chiasaur11 posted:One interesting bit about the Turbines? If anything I'd say she understood the appeal better than any of them
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2020 02:41
|
|
|
drrockso20 posted:If anything I'd say she understood the appeal better than any of them Endorph posted:mari okada saved this loving show
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2020 02:45
|
|
|
Endorph posted:mari okada saved this loving show
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2020 02:49
|
|
|
It's possible to think all the Turbines' relationship with Naze was a little weird and also that their relationships with each other were good.
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2020 02:50
|
|
|
Endorph posted:mari okada saved this loving show I'm not sure it would have been terrible without her, but considering she was the one who: 1) Spared Gaelio and made him a fleshed out main character after liking his VA's performance (which also kept Ein alive longer so Gaelio had someone to talk to, leading to the first season's final fight) 2) Made the Turbines a happy family instead of a squabbling mess 3) Saved most of Tekkadan at the end 4) Made Iok so awful in a way you believe in him as a person rather than a narrative tool ...Yeah, a lot of what works about Iron Blooded Orphans is very much to her credit. (Amusingly enough, Shino and Yamagi's relationship wasn't her idea. If memory serves, an interview had someone joke that everything Tatsuyuki Nagai came up with was credited to Mari Okada, and everything Okada contributed had people assume it came from Nagai.)
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2020 02:54
|
|
|
Endorph posted:mari okada saved this loving show
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2020 02:57
|
|
|
I'm still divided in whether saving most of tekkadan matched with the themes of s2 about overreaching to quickly and the consequences that come from it.
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2020 03:13
|
|
|
Monaghan posted:I'm still divided in whether saving most of tekkadan matched with the themes of s2 about overreaching to quickly and the consequences that come from it.
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2020 03:15
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 4, 2024 03:35 |
|
|
I don't think the themes are hit too hard by only a lot of Tekkadan dying instead of most of them dying.
|
|
#
?
Sep 11, 2020 03:16
|
|
