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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Did those New Warriors comics with Safe Space and Screen Time ever come out, or was that stuff scuttled before publication? Hasn't come out. Hard to know how much is a result of the comic itself and how much is a result of the pandemic.
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Sep 10, 2020 05:34
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Synesthesian Fetish posted:gently caress Beast Lots of people take notes when reading Foucault, not many of those notes are "how can I make this even worse?"
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Sep 10, 2020 05:49
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I wonder how his "imprison everyone with Russian ties" would have worked out when he went for Magik. "Oh sure just gonna take in one of the Great Captains who literally doesn't put up with any poo poo and oh looks like I'm dead."
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Sep 10, 2020 05:53
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I don't understand...what we're trying to accomplish with Beast over in X-Force? Is it to just have him hit some sort of amorality rock bottom? And then what? Like is he just gonna keep on going "Look I know fascist surveillance states are controversial or whatever, but hear me out here..." and then everyone will just shrug and say, oh that wacky Hank McCoy at it again, such a silly billy. It's okay, the poor thing just doesn't understand. And am I not understanding the story right or is it that he's seriously just accusing people of being traitors if they're Russian? Like that's the literal single reason? Also, "traitorousness" is not a word! Just say "treachery!" I wanna believe that there's a point to all this, but it also doesn't really feel subtle enough to have a point.
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Sep 10, 2020 06:17
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There are swaths of people right now, in the real world, accusing people of being Russian traitors without them even being Russian.
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Sep 10, 2020 07:39
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Dan Didio posted:There are swaths of people right now, in the real world, accusing people of being Russian traitors without them even being Russian. Beast is definitely the kind of person who gets all of his politics from The West Wing, right? He knows a lot of fancy words and he thinks that makes his opinions better than everybody else's. He believes that meritocracy is a thing that really exists, and that he has political power in Krakoa because he deserves it, not just because of his nepotistic relationship with one of the founders. He used to date the head of the Space CIA.
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Sep 10, 2020 07:54
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I reread HoxPox, then X-Men, and then X-Force. The pacing and consistency from the latter is so jarring from the two former. And most of it stems from Beast. Especially this last issue. You have russian intruders so your answer is to do a WW2- inspired internment camp to either scare everyone into submission or have someone rat others out? It's like this story exists outside of the paradise that Krakoa is striving for. What mutant is going to see Beast's actions and respond "yep this is totally cool and normal....a good chunk of humanity hates us but let's immediately assume the problem comes from within. As someone mentioned earlier, it's like the writers are doing a race to the bottom with Beast's character, which I felt has already been done before
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Sep 10, 2020 08:24
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Jonathan Hickman actually likes Beast, but this is the version of Beast he likes
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Sep 10, 2020 08:28
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it's really funny that beast thinks absolutely anyone in the universe would side with him over colossus. heck, i think even dark beast (who is probably still dead) has more friends than beast now. as soon as the urgency passes everyone involved is going to ask what the heck just happened and who is to blame.
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Sep 10, 2020 09:04
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THere was also a nice bit in X-Factor that I liked, because I enjoy anybody pointing out that Krakoa is really kind of messed up, actually.
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Sep 10, 2020 11:42
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When was the last time Beast wasn't written to be a total shitbag? When he was running around in space with his green-haired girlfriend?
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Sep 10, 2020 12:29
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:When was the last time Beast wasn't written to be a total shitbag? When he was running around in space with his green-haired girlfriend? Pretty much, actually.
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Sep 10, 2020 12:33
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I want to see the council to dump Beast into the abyss and resurrect Dark Beast for a net improvement of morality.
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Sep 10, 2020 12:56
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:When was the last time Beast wasn't written to be a total shitbag? When he was running around in space with his green-haired girlfriend? Wonder Man needs to visit Krakoa and sort him out.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:it's really funny that beast thinks absolutely anyone in the universe would side with him over colossus. heck, i think even dark beast (who is probably still dead) has more friends than beast now. as soon as the urgency passes everyone involved is going to ask what the heck just happened and who is to blame. edit: I can totally see this era of X-men ending with an event where Beast tries to destroy Krakoa because he's not on the quiet council. Fritzler fucked around with this message at 13:37 on Sep 10, 2020 |
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Sep 10, 2020 13:32
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It'd be great if Moira spends her last life successfully establishing a system to prevent the eradication of mutantdom by humans/robots only to realize that Hank loving suckkkkks. I've been trying to put my finger on why I haven't been too keen on most of these books (Marauders and X-Men excluded), and it really goes back to Moira (who still hasn't appeared in any DoX books outside of the flashback in the Mystique issue of X-Men). The most intriguing thing HoX/PoX did for me was to establish Moira as the catalyst for all of this, and built the idea of Krakoa/mutant-unification around the idea of them always losing, about tech vs. mutants, etc. And outside of some of the X-Men issues, none of this has been touched. I get that part of the whole thing was just to establish a new status quo to allow new stories to be told, but... I don't give a poo poo about Otherworld or Wolverine fighting Dracula or the newest version of X-Force that's kinda just like the last 10 only with Jean involved for some reason. The Moira-related stuff is what got me hyped about all the new books and it's barely been touched. Marauders being the exception because I just think it's been better executed than the other books.
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Sep 10, 2020 14:06
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It does feel strange that all of the "cyber-humans as mankind's answer to mutation" stuff basically hasn't come up since HoXPoX. Weren't we supposed to be getting a chimeras book before covid happened?
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Rochallor posted:It does feel strange that all of the "cyber-humans as mankind's answer to mutation" stuff basically hasn't come up since HoXPoX. There were a couple X-Men issues dealing with Orchis and Nimrod post-suicide mission but that's all I've seen. Part of me thinks Hickman is doing a Claremont impression by bringing up things and then just ignoring them to make the plan look more long-term. A fewof the X-Men issues have been setup for- we hope- things to finish later and some of those things might be tied to the bigger HoX/PoX story (I'm thinking the Vault story?). But I have been a little frustrated with the all-setup-no-finish thing so far.
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Rochallor posted:It does feel strange that all of the "cyber-humans as mankind's answer to mutation" stuff basically hasn't come up since HoXPoX. Weren't we supposed to be getting a chimeras book before covid happened? We were meant to be getting a Moira book at some point too.
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Sep 10, 2020 15:26
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danbanana posted:Marauders being the exception because I just think it's been better executed than the other books. I think that for sure Maruaders and X-Factor are the stand-outs. Excalibur is fun too but it doesn't feel especially based in finding interesting wrinkles of Hickman's premise.
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Sep 10, 2020 17:36
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How Wonderful! posted:I think that for sure Maruaders and X-Factor are the stand-outs. Excalibur is fun too but it doesn't feel especially based in finding interesting wrinkles of Hickman's premise. (untitled) X-Men can be hit or miss, but some of the hits are enormous. I would read an entire comic line of Magneto Eats Steak.
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Sep 10, 2020 17:44
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i never expected to like teen cable so much (or at all), because all of his pre-hox appearances were just godawful.
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Sep 10, 2020 20:11
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Can someone give me a primer on this stupid immortal Krakoa business? I sort of want to read Marauders after having read the first two books at one point, but I'm missing a bit of context and don't really want to bother with the other X-books.
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cant cook creole bream posted:Can someone give me a primer on this stupid immortal Krakoa business? I sort of want to read Marauders after having read the first two books at one point, but I'm missing a bit of context and don't really want to bother with the other X-books. Read Houses of X and Powers of X to get the scoop, pretty sure the collected edition has them in the correct reading order or if you track down the issues every single issue has the reading order on the last page. Xavier has a backup of every mutants brain that he updates weekly and can update at will if they're about to go on a dangerous mission, when someone dies they make a clone body and Xavier puts the most recent copy of their consciousness in it. Jean Grey and probably several other psychics can also do it in case Xavier is killed (which happened in the first issue of X-Force).
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cant cook creole bream posted:Can someone give me a primer on this stupid immortal Krakoa business? I sort of want to read Marauders after having read the first two books at one point, but I'm missing a bit of context and don't really want to bother with the other X-books. Moira MacTaggert has turned out to be a mutant herself with a very specific power set that involves reincarnation. She's gone through nine lives so far, has been told her 10th will be her last, and in every one so far, the mutant race has been killed out of existence at some point. As a hail Mary in her last incarnation, she approaches Xavier. Now, the mutant race has assembled, regardless of ethical axis, on the living island of Krakoa. Here, they've used Krakoa's ecosystem to grow new drugs that give them a major export, established themselves as a new nation, and planted teleport gates all over the place that link the rest of the world and the moon with Krakoa. Most importantly, through unifying five specific mutants' powers, they've figured out a way to overcome death. Any mutant who gets killed can be resurrected via the Five, although they're reverted to their most recent mental backup from Xavier, and there have been occasional hints that it's more like a perfect duplicate than actual resurrection.
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All of the X-books right now are really good now that Fallen Angels is done. Though I'm not really liking Wolverine, others are. House of X/Powers of X are worth the read to catch up on the new status quo. Lots of interesting things are happening and most comes from those series.
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Wanderer posted:Moira MacTaggert has turned out to be a mutant herself with a very specific power set that involves reincarnation. She's gone through nine lives so far, has been told her 10th will be her last, and in every one so far, the mutant race has been killed out of existence at some point. Also, pretty much every mutant was invited to Krakoa. Even villains. Freaking Apocalypse is not only part of the same council team as Xavier and Magneto, he's also part of Excalibur.
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Sep 10, 2020 21:29
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Selene and the loving Shadow King are on Krakoa.
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Sep 10, 2020 21:32
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Also they came up with this legit system for de-powered mutants to be mutants again. All they have to do is face Apocalypse in combat and die. Xavier ok’d this.
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Sep 10, 2020 21:36
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Yeah, when this inevitably goes to poo poo and their society is destroyed, it's not going to be a great loss.
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AceOfFlames posted:Also, pretty much every mutant was invited to Krakoa. Even villains. Freaking Apocalypse is not only part of the same council team as Xavier and Magneto, he's also part of Excalibur. Happy Noodle Boy posted:Also they came up with this legit system for de-powered mutants to be mutants again. Mulva posted:Yeah, when this inevitably goes to poo poo and their society is destroyed, it's not going to be a great loss. No, I think all of this is clearly fine and won't explode in an incredible way.
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Sep 10, 2020 21:57
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Man, guaranteed resurrection is always such a weird plot point. And this will not hold. Sucks to be for the person who happens to be the first one where it doesn't work anymore. "Oh yeah you totally get your powers back if you let Apocalypse kill you." *dies permanently* But then again, a permanent death in the marvel universe is like a 2 month break.
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Sep 10, 2020 22:01
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Skwirl posted:Selene and the loving Shadow King are on Krakoa. I'm sure Magma is super cool (ha ha ha) with the former. And Karma with the latter.
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Sep 10, 2020 22:12
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cant cook creole bream posted:Man, guaranteed resurrection is always such a weird plot point. And this will not hold. Sucks to be for the person who happens to be the first one where it doesn't work anymore. Death being a revolving door even before there was a plot device to resolve it is exactly why it ought to stick around.
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cant cook creole bream posted:Man, guaranteed resurrection is always such a weird plot point. And this will not hold. Sucks to be for the person who happens to be the first one where it doesn't work anymore. Theres 13 million Genoshans in line for resurection and there's a only a certain number they can do a day. The sword fight with Apocalypse just lets you skip the line.
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Sep 10, 2020 22:47
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As much as I enjoy overall the Krakoa stuff I still can't help but feel like my favorites have been sidelined for no great reason. Especially Jean post X-Men: Red.
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I actually like that Hickman and the line as a whole are taking their time, planting plot seeds at a leisurely pace. I love all of it (except Fallen Angels) and I trust the writers at this point to blow up everything up at the coolest possible moment, when the build up is at the max. Do we have a “Cyclops was Right” equivalent for pro-Krakoa partisans?
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cant cook creole bream posted:Man, guaranteed resurrection is always such a weird plot point. And this will not hold. Sucks to be for the person who happens to be the first one where it doesn't work anymore. I don't think it's ever going to just fail on someone, but there's definitely going to be someone who wasn't actually dead but got "resurrected" anyway. That already kinda happened in the Empyre tie-in.
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Wanderer posted:I don't think it's ever going to just fail on someone, but there's definitely going to be someone who wasn't actually dead but got "resurrected" anyway. That already kinda happened in the Empyre tie-in. the "just fail" thing also happened with
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