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i thought imperator was literally garbage and im not even a big fan of ck2 but ck3 is really good, and the new engine is actually functional?? and not a technical mess that inexplicably starts dying on even good cpus?? also has a good amount of content. i was actually worried about the idea of like, an eu5 or a hoi5 or a stellaris 2 bcos of imperator being so insanely bad but now i would very much like an eu5 in this new engine please thank youAnno posted:I thought Stellaris was good from the start, just not for very long as these kind of games go. But I can see why people didn’t. agree with all of this basically inc the stellaris thing. stellaris is/was the best space 4x, not so much a typical paradox game tho.
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Stellaris is a good game but has a lot of issues but so do all 4x games, even the good ones Though asking a 4x fan to name what is a good one and you will get a lot of different answers with the rest being poo poo So maybe there are no good 4x games I dunno
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This is where I'm at, but I still play Stellaris anyway because imo it's the closest to being good
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Sep 10, 2020 15:15
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RabidWeasel posted:Oh right, I didn't see that it was a comment about performance, that makes more sense. I don't think I ever played a CK2 game long enough to get performance issues. The thing is that if you were to speed 5 through a CK2 game, it might take something like 20 hours to go from 1066-1453, and doing the same thing in Ck3 takes something like 2-3 hours. It's amazing how much the performance has been improved. No one is suggesting you play the game on speed 5, it's just now the only limiting factor in speed is you, not the game performance.
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Sep 10, 2020 15:18
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CharlestheHammer posted:So maybe there are no good 4x games I dunno It's more like they're extremely hard to make fun because it's too easy for them to get into a situation where either the player is just hosed or they can't possibly lose. Basically all the bad things about GSG with the added difficulty of having random starting conditions
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Eh I think basically all games over a certain size/complexity fall into “good but they have issues” because of how many things are going on at once system wise. It just ends up being that basically all big strategy games fall into this along with stuff like dense cRPGs and simulation games. They’re still good games imo.
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Sep 10, 2020 15:23
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Torrannor posted:There are already 30% more posts in the CK3 thread than in the Imperator thread. Please don't compare these two games. I've laid out how impressed I was about how many things made the jump from CK2 DLC to base CK3, and I already have 43 hours played in it. It's a great release, and even though there are some bugs, some design decisions are questionable, and the inheritance system is a bit screwy, it's arguably already as good as full CK3. Stellaris didnt actually have that lovely of a release, but people played it a lot and the cracks started to show pretty quick, and I am curious how people will feel about CKIII in another month or two. AAAAA! Real Muenster fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Sep 10, 2020 |
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Sep 10, 2020 15:25
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yikes! posted:This is where I'm at, but I still play Stellaris anyway because imo it's the closest to being good For me it's strange how Paradox explained why 4X games are poo poo by making games with premade maps, established powers and indirect control over many mechanics... And then they've proceeded to make Stellaris which has all the lovely elements of 4X. It makes you design ships, microcontrol dozens of colonies making obvious decisions, research laser efficiency #3. But it also lacks most of 4X good parts like relatively brief length, unique factions with their own character, more or less consistent difficulty. I just don't get it. It's like Metallica selling out and doing St Anger because they see the market for simplistic straightforward music that was always beneath them. I thought at least it looked fine and the UI is cool, they probably can't make a real Paradox game with a UI so approachable and looks so good. But here we are, CK3 is beautiful and a good game at the same time.
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I haven't played Stellaris in years. Is there any mod that starts the galaxy already populated yet?
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ilitarist posted:For me it's strange how Paradox explained why 4X games are poo poo by making games with premade maps, established powers and indirect control over many mechanics... And then they've proceeded to make Stellaris which has all the lovely elements of 4X. It makes you design ships, microcontrol dozens of colonies making obvious decisions, research laser efficiency #3. But it also lacks most of 4X good parts like relatively brief length, unique factions with their own character, more or less consistent difficulty. I just don't get it. It's like Metallica selling out and doing St Anger because they see the market for simplistic straightforward music that was always beneath them. Some of the things that stand out to me the most when I talk to people about the game/read about it is things like how events that break the Prikki-ti out of their shielded world to start menacing the galaxy. The unique species and their behaviors are what stand out and help with in-game storylines, and I feel like they could do wonders if they could leverage that more.
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In ~big Imperator news~ they just announced that they've had a second dev team working on DLC for months so they apparently think that the game is still worth spending resources on.
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i mean they obviously had a different goal with stellaris than their other games, and thats fine. its also understandble youd not like that if you like specifically what their other games do but i dont think they have to make every game based around the same formula, and its not like stellaris has struggled to keep a playerbase or anything so obviously there are people that want a 4x game that isnt just complete garbage.
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pdxjohan posted:Testing does not fix bugs though. That was intended more as a jab at my own government's attitude towards disease testing, and at some former employers of mine. Paradox Dev Studio has been doing pretty well on the bug front for several years now, as you say.
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Something to note about QA that's not often mentioned is that often, it's not QA missing bugs or the devs not noting them, but that publishers have a release date and short of depriving game developers of labour rights, what are they gonna do? Also you can try CK3 for one dollar on game pass.
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Sep 10, 2020 18:12
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CK3 is a good release that I am enjoying. They did a good job.
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Yeah it's got obvious issues, but it's a solid base to build upon and it's core is a much improved CK formula. E: Those obvious issues are stuff like intrigue is godmode, revolts can have 4-5 times as many knights as you which makes them massive pains, tribal reforming feudal is horrible, with female superiority the AI will not do matrilineal marriages
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CK3 clearly has good bones - no doubt there are issues but they are mainly balance stuff that feels like it should be easy to fix. I think it's a safe purchase. That said, I think it's totally fair for people to want to wait a little bit since Paradox has definitely not had the smoothest releases the last few years, between Stellaris (only the early game was any good on launch, debatable how much better the rest of the game ever got), HOI4 (the air and naval systems were awful at launch and have seen only marginal improvement), and Imperator (haven't heard anything very positive).
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Bold Robot posted:CK3 clearly has good bones - no doubt there are issues but they are mainly balance stuff that feels like it should be easy to fix. I think it's a safe purchase. That said, I think it's totally fair for people to want to wait a little bit since Paradox has definitely not had the smoothest releases the last few years, between Stellaris (only the early game was any good on launch, debatable how much better the rest of the game ever got), HOI4 (the air and naval systems were awful at launch and have seen only marginal improvement), and Imperator (haven't heard anything very positive). Yeah, Im waiting. Ive been reading here and it looks like the great game I was hoping. But I can wait for a few patches (and maybe the first sale)
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Torrannor posted:There are already 30% more posts in the CK3 thread than in the Imperator thread. Please don't compare these two games. I've laid out how impressed I was about how many things made the jump from CK2 DLC to base CK3, and I already have 43 hours played in it. It's a great release, and even though there are some bugs, some design decisions are questionable, and the inheritance system is a bit screwy, it's arguably already as good as full CK3. stellaris would be halfway salvageable at least if they integrated a bunch of the good mods, or made changes along the same lines. more traditions, the stuff from gulli's mods, etc, xenology, etc. but i don't think the stellaris team has EVER had the manpower they needed to fully realize...anything. they needed like twice as many people throughout the whole process to get anything real done; all of the DLC felt underwhelming because there just...wasn't that much in them.
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Elias_Maluco posted:Yeah, Im waiting. You could also pay $1 dollar and get it on gamepass and play it for a month before choosing to drop any real cash on it or not.
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I like imperator better than CK3 but that’s because CK3 feels like two with half the content shaved off Before someone says good it’s coming back eventually But CK3 is more open to wacky stories and people love that poo poo
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Dramicus posted:You could also pay $1 dollar and get it on gamepass and play it for a month before choosing to drop any real cash on it or not. Nah, Im buying it anyway I just want to pay a little less and get a more stable game edit: I mean, CK2 is my favorite game ever. I was going to buy Ck3 even if everyone was saying is awful. But from all Ive read, is great. I just prefer to wait a bit Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Sep 10, 2020 |
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CharlestheHammer posted:I like imperator better than CK3 but that’s because CK3 feels like two with half the content shaved off Yeah 3 is definitely in full on wacky border gore mode at the moment.
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My biggest issue is the ai doesn't handle female dominated games and fails to matri-marry which means I can't do the whole spread my dynasty around and expect them to still be there on succession. Or if I get a string of rulers with no girl children I'll eventually end up as a character who is normal married and has a girl already. 
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I've played five or six hours of 3 on gamepass and it definitely seems like an enormous jump in UI and graphics and even basic mechanics, but I think i've played CK2 too much to really get into it again. Also they took out the Byz mechanics after finally getting them right, what the heck
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Fuligin posted:I've played five or six hours of 3 on gamepass and it definitely seems like an enormous jump in UI and graphics and even basic mechanics, but I think i've played CK2 too much to really get into it again. Also they took out the Byz mechanics after finally getting them right, what the heck But the byz mechanics in endstage CK2 are loving awful  They're not fun, the AI can't handle them at loving all, and they're totally detached from reality to boot.
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Fuligin posted:I've played five or six hours of 3 on gamepass and it definitely seems like an enormous jump in UI and graphics and even basic mechanics, but I think i've played CK2 too much to really get into it again. Also they took out the Byz mechanics after finally getting them right, what the heck Yeah that’s one of my complaints. The Byz are just any other faction but bigger That and give me back my Alexiad start
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Elias_Maluco posted:Nah, Im buying it anyway I mean you could pay 1 dollar to and play it for a month while you wait to buy it on sale. You can both wait to buy it and play it simultaneously for 1 dollar. Eimi posted:My biggest issue is the ai doesn't handle female dominated games and fails to matri-marry which means I can't do the whole spread my dynasty around and expect them to still be there on succession. Or if I get a string of rulers with no girl children I'll eventually end up as a character who is normal married and has a girl already. Yeah, it's much better than ck2 was for handling it, but it's still not perfect. Another problem I found was how in a matrilinial society, bastards were still considered part of the man's house. It should probably be the opposite, if the Queen seduces someone and gets pregnant, then the kid should be a bastard of her dynasty and she can choose to legitimize him/her if she wants. Matriarchs can't have "strategic" bastards like men can. Dramicus fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Sep 10, 2020 |
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Sep 10, 2020 20:18
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Dramicus posted:I mean you could pay 1 dollar to and play it for a month while you wait to buy it on sale. You can both wait to buy it and play it simultaneously for 1 dollar. Not everyone lives in USA and specific European countries where Gamepass is available. Some of us have no choice but to be Paradox slaves at full price.
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Yeah, theres that too. Im brazilian, Im not sure its available to us
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:I'm still surprised that they have not started offering a premade galaxy or something more than being able to force races to spawn after Wiz created the Blorg in the hype videos and they became a meme and were really popular. premade scenario galaxies would have been much better, yeah. even the ability to make your own premades, or for mods to offer them, would have gone a long way toward improving the game.
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I think they'd have to make, at the very least, the diplomacy and internal politics way better before I'd find asymmetrical starts fun in stellaris
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Jazerus posted:premade scenario galaxies would have been much better, yeah. even the ability to make your own premades, or for mods to offer them, would have gone a long way toward improving the game. yikes! posted:I think they'd have to make, at the very least, the diplomacy and internal politics way better before I'd find asymmetrical starts fun in stellaris
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I dunno, I'm not well versed in Stellaris but I try it after every couple of expansion. And I see all those events appear again and again. The kettle, ancient battlefield, box with fairy tales. And you have space cows and ancient miners all the time. From gameplay perspective the only star systems that catch your eye are choke points. Cause even a great bonuses in a star system mean that expanding here would mean +10 to research added to your 500.
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They really need to let you get cheevos with mods if dumb poo poo like "more clothing variants" is going to be breaking achievements in this game. E: woops this isn’t the CK3 thread but point stands for all Paradox games tbh Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Sep 10, 2020 |
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:They really need to let you get cheevos with mods if dumb poo poo like "more clothing variants" is going to be breaking achievements in this game. I really do wish they'd follow the trend of similar games like Civ and just let you get achievements without Ironman. I have thousands of hours in these games and not one achievement because no loving way am I trusting these games not to throw out some weird bug that I have to use the console to fix, or risk losing my one save to corruption. Achievements are supposed to be fun little challenges, if you let people get them even though they cheated, they only cheated themselves, nobody else is worse off.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:They really need to let you get cheevos with mods if dumb poo poo like "more clothing variants" is going to be breaking achievements in this game. Embrace the art of not giving a gently caress about cheevos. Be a pro with over 1000 hours and 0 achievements.
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:Stux had a good point that doing so wasnt their goal with the game, but I think people are used to PDS making games with premade maps/settings. And the rest of the game supports that type of thing because of how other empires are designed and created. yeah some premade maps would be cool for sure, i mean theres no reason not to just let everyone go hog wild with that kind of stuff and setup a custom galaxy if they want. export a little code so other people can try your start or something.
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