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Alchenar posted:The glitches are all in the form of 'Badgie often stops working'. That's setup to Rutherford and Tendi being in a dangerous situation and needing Badgie's help and he glitches out and they're stuck by themselves, not sudden murder spree I'd say the fact that he went on a murder spree means that one of his glitches is going on murder sprees.
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His pivot to self-awareness was triggered by being smacked in the face. Makes sense he'd be violent.
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Super Deuce posted:References aren't jokes. TV isn't Tumblr. I dunno, they got some laughs out of me 
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Sep 10, 2020 22:39
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Martytoof posted:I dunno, they got some laughs out of me The best part about this weird argument is my initial comment actually included "the references were a bit much BUT" 
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Snow Cone Capone posted:His pivot to self-awareness was triggered by being smacked in the face. Makes sense he'd be violent. And when safeties go on he's suddenly peaceful and joyful. When he should have retained his violence but safeties are on and he couldn't do anything. Well, according to all the episodes they referenced in holodeck
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Snow Cone Capone posted:The best part about this weird argument is my initial comment actually included "the references were a bit much BUT" Yeah I don’t think anyone’s saying that they shouldn’t try to maybe tone down the top-10 namedropping.
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He was faking it, biding his time until the safeties are turned off again. I bet he'll show up again much later in the series, kind of like their Moriarty.
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Martytoof posted:Yeah I don’t think anyone’s saying that they shouldn’t try to maybe tone down the top-10 namedropping. IMO it works when it's not 10-at-once. Mariner literally just listing Trek characters at the end of ep1 was too much, for example.
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AntherUslessPoster posted:And when safeties go on he's suddenly peaceful and joyful. When he should have retained his violence but safeties are on and he couldn't do anything. 
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Sep 10, 2020 23:16
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poo poo how did I miss it
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That was a really fun episode. Oh, there's certainly stuff to nitpick if you're so inclined:
Also, I predict the whole "Starbase 80" thing will become a rather popular reference in fandom.
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Now that you mention it, Rutherford could have activated his implant's bad rear end fighter mode but he didn't. Also, I hope that since it's a Vulcan implant, he'll eventually bust out the Vulcan
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The implication is that Badgie is deadlier by far than several Borg.
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Powered Descent posted:They never did say what was so important about this century-old salvage. What, are they worried these junk scavengers are going to learn the secrets of the old-rear end click-clack duotronic computer? I'll say in case the hard drives weren't scrubbed. Maybe one still potentially has the record of Spock's DNA file and they don't want an alien race to clone him because there's already too many in the universe. But I totally agree that the episode was good enough that you only notice these things after it ends and you analyze the episode.
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Maybe they need old stuff to repair Starbase 80, that loving shithole (I like that they introduced something here that may or may not pay off, but totally adds to the canon: Starbase 80, where no one wants to go.)
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Why the wreckage was important was senior officer poo poo, they even wondered if they'd ever be told. Lower decks officers get ordered to do things they may not have the clearance to understand Maybe there was unsecured omega directive protocols on board
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ashpanash posted:Maybe they need old stuff to repair Starbase 80, that loving shithole the guy shouting off-screen was what really made that joke land with me
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Snow Cone Capone posted:wait are you arguing that because "rarely" doesn't equal "never" that it's not a good observation? Like because we have seen the holodeck used for training a few times in an ocean of Mark Twain simulations, that saying "hey the holodeck is good for all sorts of stuff!" is a dumb point? I genuinely cannot parse what you're trying to say here. So yes, it's a dumb point that makes no sense from that character. Tiggum fucked around with this message at 05:51 on Sep 11, 2020 |
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Sep 11, 2020 04:55
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e: you know what nevermind, I'm just going to enjoy the show and discuss it with the other people who do ITT
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ashpanash posted:Maybe they need old stuff to repair Starbase 80, that loving shithole And Deep Space 3 which is apparently rockin'.
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Powered Descent posted:[*] A plain computer core suddenly gaining the ability to absorb human brain patterns and move around and speak and fight and forcibly assimilate new technologies like a mini-Borg was a bit of a stretch. I don't think it was actually assimilating stuff, it was just chewing on it. It was dumb. Like Fletcher. I assume the brain pattern thing was done by the helmet. The prehensile tentacles I got nothing for, but let's be honest it's not the weirdest thing starfleet's done. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Sep 11, 2020 |
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Sep 11, 2020 06:13
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Snow Cone Capone posted:e: you know what nevermind, I'm just going to enjoy the show and discuss it with the other people who do ITT Tiggum posted:We've seen it enough to infer that it's actually used for training quite often, we just don't see it because it's usually not very interesting. Like, we don't have to see Barry Allen tidying up his house at super speed in every episode of The Flash to realise that he probably does it off-screen all the time, because we've seen him do it at least once. Isn’t it funny that we as fans think it’s funny that Worf gets denied often. It sure would be great if the universe acknowledged us as TV viewers. It’s really frustrating this is what TV has become. Self references to “reward” fans of their “knowledge” of something. Film and TV is an artistic medium but instead we’re shovel fed this faux gratification bullshit to make fans think they’re part of it. Imagine if Frasier made a joke about Niles and Daphne being a Sam and Diane. Hahahah get it, because we use that as a term for potential TV couplings, wouldn’t it be funny if Frasier did it! Hey Chachi be careful not to jump that shark *wink*. Hey guys this is like a Q when something blah blah blah, despite in universe very few are meant to know of Q, but because we the viewer know of it, they have to reference it for jokes. It’s honestly the laziest garbage style of writing that I can’t believe people seem to enjoy. Haha they cum in the holodeck!!!!! These are only jokes at best when talking about the show, not in the drat show. They could write actual jokes that aren’t just telling us out of universe observations of itself, but instead this. This show is honestly a Reddit thread in cartoon form.
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Martytoof posted:Without detracting from the argument that fan service references are going to be played out really quickly if they’re not sprinkled in more carefully and less obviously, I don’t think just making up canon non-TV-episode references would work for jokes at all.
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Super Deuce posted:Isn’t it funny that we as fans think it’s funny that Worf gets denied often. It sure would be great if the universe acknowledged us as TV viewers. Why are very few meant to know of Q? It's a godlike being known to gently caress with Federation ships including the flagship multiple times. It would be insane if every single Starfleet person did not know of Q.
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socialsecurity posted:Why are very few meant to know of Q? It's a godlike being known to gently caress with Federation ships including the flagship multiple times. It would be insane if every single Starfleet person did not know of Q. You'd think there would be a safety brie... oh. Maybe not.
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socialsecurity posted:Why are very few meant to know of Q? It's a godlike being known to gently caress with Federation ships including the flagship multiple times. It would be insane if every single Starfleet person did not know of Q. Because it’s what the universe has established.
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Super Deuce posted:Because it’s what the universe has established. Where/When was this ever mentioned?
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socialsecurity posted:Where/When was this ever mentioned? ETA: in the beta-canon autobiography of Picard he says that he and Dr Crusher agreed to invite Q to their wedding because if they hadn't then he'd just have shown up anyway. Then there's a footnote from Q saying that they're right, he would have. Then there's an footnote from the editor saying they don't know how the previous footnote got into the document, and they can't get it out. Arquinsiel fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Sep 11, 2020 |
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socialsecurity posted:Where/When was this ever mentioned? When Sisko mentioned to Kira he heard of him in a briefing and she and Jadzia both look dumbfounded. Kira isn’t Starfleet sure, but Jadzia being having no clue means something. Same as the fact Sisko has to mention he only knew of him from a briefing and has to defer to someone with direct experience with him. But it’s okay because we saw it on TV so it makes total sense for it to be a joke to say Hahahah Q over and over.
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Super Deuce posted:When Sisko mentioned to Kira he heard of him in a briefing and she and Jadzia both look dumbfounded. Kira isn’t Starfleet sure, but Jadzia being having no clue means something. Same as the fact Sisko has to mention he only knew of him from a briefing and has to defer to someone with direct experience with him. One character didn't know 15 years prior in universe, is the basis of your scathing essays against this cartoon show. Take a step back man and look at what you are doing.
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socialsecurity posted:One character didn't know 15 years prior in universe, is the basis of your scathing essays against this cartoon show. Take a step back man and look at what you are doing. Being honest about how bad the writing is? Is that what I should take a step back from? Because something is a cartoon gives it an excuse for being bad? Oh btw in that Voyager episode it starts with only Janeway knowing who or what Q is. The point is that saying Q!!! isn’t a drat joke. It’s like you didn’t read anything else in the post. Listing things we, the viewer, have seen that can be considered silly isn’t a joke. This show has had no jokes yet. Edit - how long before a joke about lizards maybe being future people and someone else says to ignore that happened? Super Deuce fucked around with this message at 06:54 on Sep 11, 2020 |
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Sep 11, 2020 06:51
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By the time of Lower Decks, Q is no longer anon.
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Payndz posted:By the time of Lower Decks, Q is no longer anon. 
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Other reasons this episode was better: Mariner and Bomlier were dialled back like 50%. They're a lot more watchable when they're Futurama-dysfunctional rather than Rick & Morty-dysfunctional. Show self awareness joke - the show straight up acknowledged the problem that 'Mariner should not want to be in Starfleet' and then rushed straight past that point without resolving it.
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Super Deuce posted:Being honest about how bad the writing is? Is that what I should take a step back from? Because something is a cartoon gives it an excuse for being bad? Please stop watching this show, it's not making you happy.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Please stop watching this show, it's not making you happy. This one does not spark joy.
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Alchenar posted:Other reasons this episode was better: Mariner and Bomlier were dialled back like 50%. They're a lot more watchable when they're Futurama-dysfunctional rather than Rick & Morty-dysfunctional.  edge-lordy. (Twentysomething me would probably have loved it, but now...)
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Payndz posted:I've never seen Rick & Morty, but the more I hear about it the less I want to. It just sounds appallingly cynical and nihilistic and cruel and "oh, does this OFFEND you?" I mean this is broadly true, but it still is very funny on occasion
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I think my favorite part of this episode was when Badgey couldn't stop threatening to kill Rutherford even as he lay dying in his arms, slowly succumbing to the cold as it sapped away his (virtual) life force.
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