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Relevant Tangent: Nov 18, 2016; Tangentially Relevant

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

These pnw nazis are really scary to me, as it seems like they are successful at seizing power situationally in ways the state can�t or won�t stop. It seems like a place where they could subvert the rule of law and break the monopoly on violence. I keep thinking about that manifesto by a state senator about making a new country out of cascadia where they kill all the men who aren�t fascists and enslave all the women.

The people who aren't fascists are also armed and not interested in being killed.

# ? Sep 11, 2020 13:58

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I AM GRANDO: Aug 20, 2006

Bedshaped posted:

Seems kind of similar to Pim Tool in that you position yourself left-adjacent at the beginnings of your alt-right career?

She's a genuine socialist or at least a social democrat, but she shares with the nazis their sense that racial justice or acknowledgment of things like rape culture are inherently ridiculous and unserious, which makes her weak to their rhetoric and she ends up defending them and turning on pretty much the entire left. It's the Amber Frost situation, basically.

Her book is genuinely good analysis of how the internet and social media of the end of history era produced a left that could only ever speak in cultural terms and that left economy and politics out of discussion, which in turn produced a far right that could only do the same in the opposite direction. I at least can't deny that some of the early growth of what became the far right was in response to twitter or tumblr bullying teens to suicide for making Steven Universe fan art with skinny characters or taking concepts like privilege in weird directions like critiques of how "adult privilege" oppresses children, simply because that was the only direction kids could go in if they felt something was wrong with the world, as there was basically no space for marxist critique before the very end of the Obama days. Of course, the whole thing gets muddy because 4chan continually made up the things they then complained about, and some of the things Nagle quotes with people identifying as dragons or posting huge lists of romantic orientations are clearly fake.

Where her poo poo gets weird and bad is in the supposition that if there were a robust proper left in America that allowed its members to be manly and make rude jokes, all these pathetic nazi boys would find it satisfying and therefore not shoot up their schools or vote for Trump. And there's definitely some bigotry in her rejection of multiple modes of gender identification and in her supposition that race isn't really that important in the United States today--maybe more than some.

# ? Sep 11, 2020 14:24

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A big problem is that Nagle is one of those extremely online types who isn't actually involved with real people so she looks at the Tumblr stereotype and assume it's "the left" instead of what it is, which is just some extremely online type. Another is that there's a bunch of lovely, also mostly online "leftists" who are sympathetic to her and gave her way more oxygen and platform than was ever wise, including Chap Trap House. Eventually her poo poo became too obvious to notice and now people are cheerfully pretending they weren't attacking people for calling out her fascist-friendly poo poo from day one.

# ? Sep 11, 2020 15:29

BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

https://twitter.com/neoliberal_dad/status/1304166523469205504
https://twitter.com/kthalps/status/1304307423402954752

# ? Sep 11, 2020 15:57

BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

https://twitter.com/donaldp1917/status/1304127178125250560

# ? Sep 11, 2020 15:59

brugroffil: Nov 30, 2015

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

She's a genuine socialist or at least a social democrat, but she shares with the nazis their sense that racial justice or acknowledgment of things like rape culture are inherently ridiculous and unserious, which makes her weak to their rhetoric and she ends up defending them and turning on pretty much the entire left. It's the Amber Frost situation, basically.

Her book is genuinely good analysis of how the internet and social media of the end of history era produced a left that could only ever speak in cultural terms and that left economy and politics out of discussion, which in turn produced a far right that could only do the same in the opposite direction. I at least can't deny that some of the early growth of what became the far right was in response to twitter or tumblr bullying teens to suicide for making Steven Universe fan art with skinny characters or taking concepts like privilege in weird directions like critiques of how "adult privilege" oppresses children, simply because that was the only direction kids could go in if they felt something was wrong with the world, as there was basically no space for marxist critique before the very end of the Obama days. Of course, the whole thing gets muddy because 4chan continually made up the things they then complained about, and some of the things Nagle quotes with people identifying as dragons or posting huge lists of romantic orientations are clearly fake.

Where her poo poo gets weird and bad is in the supposition that if there were a robust proper left in America that allowed its members to be manly and make rude jokes, all these pathetic nazi boys would find it satisfying and therefore not shoot up their schools or vote for Trump. And there's definitely some bigotry in her rejection of multiple modes of gender identification and in her supposition that race isn't really that important in the United States today--maybe more than some.

so just like nazbol garbage, or at least receptive to it?

# ? Sep 11, 2020 16:03

I AM GRANDO: Aug 20, 2006

I will say for the record that she seems like a genuine, earnest useful idiot to me, as does Amber Frost. She has done way stupider poo poo, like debating sargon and defending him as a good liberal during the q and a afterward, with good liberal not meant as an insult.

# ? Sep 11, 2020 16:09

BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

also speaking of shadowy fash sites, i remember seeing someone from this site fishing around the /r/stupidpol reddit

https://twitter.com/antifaintl/status/1304188907668602882

# ? Sep 11, 2020 16:14

I AM GRANDO: Aug 20, 2006

brugroffil posted:

so just like nazbol garbage, or at least receptive to it?

She�s not pro-racism but she thinks most nazis can be rehabilitated into leftists and that 4chan stuff is just youthful attempts at being shocking for want of a better alternative. She is not receptive to any part of the nazi program but would be receptive to 4chan people wanting to be part of a leftist coalition as long as they could make racist jokes and said they weren�t nazis any more.

I don�t know what you call that, exactly.

# ? Sep 11, 2020 16:14

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Antifa Turkeesian posted:

She�s not pro-racism but she thinks most nazis can be rehabilitated into leftists and that 4chan stuff is just youthful attempts at being shocking for want of a better alternative. She is not receptive to any part of the nazi program but would be receptive to 4chan people wanting to be part of a leftist coalition as long as they could make racist jokes and said they weren�t nazis any more.

I don�t know what you call that, exactly.

Gullible?

# ? Sep 11, 2020 16:21

Southpaugh: May 26, 2007; Smokey Bacon

Her logic isn't grounded in reality and only makes sense if you take a right wing milita member and an alt-right shitlord as being ideologically distinct when they are not.

# ? Sep 11, 2020 16:23

Spergin Morlock: Aug 8, 2009

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

She's a genuine socialist or at least a social democrat, but she shares with the nazis their sense that racial justice or acknowledgment of things like rape culture are inherently ridiculous and unserious, which makes her weak to their rhetoric and she ends up defending them and turning on pretty much the entire left. It's the Amber Frost situation, basically.

Her book is genuinely good analysis of how the internet and social media of the end of history era produced a left that could only ever speak in cultural terms and that left economy and politics out of discussion, which in turn produced a far right that could only do the same in the opposite direction. I at least can't deny that some of the early growth of what became the far right was in response to twitter or tumblr bullying teens to suicide for making Steven Universe fan art with skinny characters or taking concepts like privilege in weird directions like critiques of how "adult privilege" oppresses children, simply because that was the only direction kids could go in if they felt something was wrong with the world, as there was basically no space for marxist critique before the very end of the Obama days. Of course, the whole thing gets muddy because 4chan continually made up the things they then complained about, and some of the things Nagle quotes with people identifying as dragons or posting huge lists of romantic orientations are clearly fake.

Where her poo poo gets weird and bad is in the supposition that if there were a robust proper left in America that allowed its members to be manly and make rude jokes, all these pathetic nazi boys would find it satisfying and therefore not shoot up their schools or vote for Trump. And there's definitely some bigotry in her rejection of multiple modes of gender identification and in her supposition that race isn't really that important in the United States today--maybe more than some.

so sort of a national socialist, if you will

# ? Sep 11, 2020 16:30

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!!: May 31, 2006

Spergin Morlock posted:

so sort of a national socialist, if you will

strasserite is a term that gets the poo poo overused out of it, but there's only so many terms for "fiscally socialist, socially we need to bring back the Magdalene Laundries"

# ? Sep 11, 2020 16:37

Southpaugh: May 26, 2007; Smokey Bacon

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:

strasserite is a term that gets the poo poo overused out of it, but there's only so many terms for "fiscally socialist, socially we need to bring back the Magdalene Laundries"

Nagles Irish, good reference.

# ? Sep 11, 2020 16:45

I AM GRANDO: Aug 20, 2006

The Post Millennial, the fash rag that Brutalist posted above, is a much clearer example of strasserism, with a roster of "leftists" who dress and speak like Vice reporters but who report exclusively on how blm has gone too far and how trans people are degenerates that must be killed.

Nagle is like economically left but socially liberal in how she takes people at their word so long as they're reactionaries--gullible as an identity, as someone said above.

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Antifa Turkeesian posted:

I will say for the record that she seems like a genuine, earnest useful idiot to me, as does Amber 'Cocaine is Praxis' Frost.

# ? Sep 11, 2020 17:09

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Antifa Turkeesian posted:

The Post Millennial, the fash rag that Brutalist posted above, is a much clearer example of strasserism, with a roster of "leftists" who dress and speak like Vice reporters but who report exclusively on how blm has gone too far and how trans people are degenerates that must be killed.

Nagle is like economically left but socially liberal in how she takes people at their word so long as they're reactionaries--gullible as an identity, as someone said above.

is the post-millennial even nominally leftist? I thought they were just straight up pro-fascist fascists

# ? Sep 11, 2020 17:33

BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

i don't read it, but i remember scanning stupidpol about a year ago and seeing a "leftist" writer/editor for them fishing around, posting links to stories and trying to build an audience among the "anti-woke left," specifically in that sub. and being like "yeah, there are conservatives too but we're all about having a debate."

# ? Sep 11, 2020 17:41

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Yeah and that's transparent bullshit, they didn't hire Andy Ngo to have a "debate".

# ? Sep 11, 2020 17:46

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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

i don't read it, but i remember scanning stupidpol about a year ago and seeing a "leftist" writer/editor for them fishing around, posting links to stories and trying to build an audience among the "anti-woke left," specifically in that sub. and being like "yeah, there are conservatives too but we're all about having a debate."

i'm half convinced stupidpol is a psyop

# ? Sep 11, 2020 17:50

I AM GRANDO: Aug 20, 2006

The Chairman posted:

is the post-millennial even nominally leftist? I thought they were just straight up pro-fascist fascists

I mean, their reporters have twitter profiles that look like this:

# ? Sep 11, 2020 18:00

Southpaugh: May 26, 2007; Smokey Bacon

That shits absolutely psyop territory regardless of it it actually is or not the outcome is the same

# ? Sep 11, 2020 18:03

Random Asshole: Nov 8, 2010

Wheeee posted:

i'm half convinced stupidpol is a psyop

only half?

they weren't very subtle about it being a leftist-to-fascist pipeline the last time I checked there

# ? Sep 11, 2020 18:10

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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

also speaking of shadowy fash sites, i remember seeing someone from this site fishing around the /r/stupidpol reddit

https://twitter.com/antifaintl/status/1304188907668602882

Is he going to change his fake accent to Canadian now?

# ? Sep 11, 2020 18:11

Doktor Avalanche: Dec 30, 2008

Random rear end in a top hat posted:

only half?

they weren't very subtle about it being a leftist-to-fascist pipeline the last time I checked there

lol what
take your meds

# ? Sep 11, 2020 18:21

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Random rear end in a top hat posted:

only half?

they weren't very subtle about it being a leftist-to-fascist pipeline the last time I checked there

there's enough genuine left posting on there that i'd buy the mods just being idiots who think they're the ones converting people

# ? Sep 11, 2020 18:23

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Southpaugh posted:

Her logic isn't grounded in reality and only makes sense if you take a right wing milita member and an alt-right shitlord as being ideologically distinct when they are not.

I remember thinking at the time that there was a much better version of Nagle's argument given the evidence she used. Like if you take Antifa Turkeesian's summary, and fix Nagle's argument from "the far right became the far right because wacky tumblrites pushed them too far" to "the new far right's politics developed as they did because their social and cultural reference points were weirdos from tumblr" you get something that looks far more plausible.

# ? Sep 11, 2020 18:44

Random Asshole: Nov 8, 2010

Wheeee posted:

there's enough genuine left posting on there that i'd buy the mods just being idiots who think they're the ones converting people

This is fair, actually. I assumed that anyone having to repeatedly remind a large portion of their own sub not to launder alt-right talking points would eventually recognize a pattern, but they could easily just be huge morons.

# ? Sep 11, 2020 18:50

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Crane Fist posted:

No matter, got my answer from your rap sheet. ooof

lol

# ? Sep 11, 2020 19:13

BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

I mean, their reporters have twitter profiles that look like this:

https://twitter.com/YesThatAnna/status/1269376355294117888
https://twitter.com/YesThatAnna/status/1269383119842480130

this is most definitely a psyop

BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 19:18 on Sep 11, 2020

# ? Sep 11, 2020 19:14

BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

https://twitter.com/RMac18/status/1304467007484473345

quote:

DeAnna, though not a household name, had by that time been involved in far-right politics for close to 10 years, and had played a key role in channeling white nationalist ideology into the emerging alt-right. After graduating from the College of William and Mary in Virginia, DeAnna joined the conservative Leadership Institute, and founded Youth for Western Civilization in 2006.

The group, designed to be a more radical version of established conservative campus groups, was a launching pad for a new generation of white power activists. YWC boosted the profile of Richard Spencer, the white nationalist leader, by inviting him to speak on two campuses in 2010 and 2011. In 2013, DeAnna dubbed the creation of an ethnostate �the great dream of the White Republic.�

DeAnna did not respond to questions from BuzzFeed News.

DeAnna also served as a Trump evangelist in his community. He was among the voices on the fringe who exhorted their peers to get on board with Trump and work within the system instead of marginalizing themselves outside it. For Spencer�s website Radix Journal, DeAnna wrote in 2015 urging support for Trump, even though some in the movement were wary of conventional politics.

�Ultimately, of course, this is a sideshow,� DeAnna wrote. �Real change will occur by building our own institutions, markets, and tribes, and fomenting revolutionary consciousness among the forgotten men of our Hollow Empire. But electoral politics will affect us, even if we try our best to ignore it and remain independent of it.�

DeAnna�s email with Thiel was prompted by Brendan Kissam, a former Tea Party activist from Philadelphia. Kissam met Thiel in 2010 when he volunteered to help organize a fundraiser at Thiel�s New York City apartment for the gay Republican group GOProud. According to a source who had spoken with Kissam, the activist and Thiel kept in touch after the fundraiser; in January 2011, a user identifying themselves as �Brendan Kissam� commented on a critical post about Thiel on LGBTQ website Queerty, defending the article�s subject and referring to him as �Peter.� Kissam was quoted in a June 2016 Philadelphia Inquirer story about gay Republicans voting for Trump, identified by the paper as a supporter of the candidate.

# ? Sep 11, 2020 19:20

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# ? Sep 11, 2020 21:05

Rah!: Feb 21, 2006

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

She�s not pro-racism but she thinks most nazis can be rehabilitated into leftists and that 4chan stuff is just youthful attempts at being shocking for want of a better alternative. She is not receptive to any part of the nazi program but would be receptive to 4chan people wanting to be part of a leftist coalition as long as they could make racist jokes and said they weren�t nazis any more.

I don�t know what you call that, exactly.

if that's the case, maybe shes just too afraid of the alternative, that there's no saving 99% of them, and they want to kill everyone

so she chooses to believe everything can and will be fine, and anyone saying otherwise is wrong. wow get away from the internet echo chamber, u will feel better, stop the doom and gloom! talk to ur nazi neighbor and learn 2 understand :abuela:

i feel like a lot of libs fall into this category

# ? Sep 11, 2020 21:25

Rah!: Feb 21, 2006

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

this is most definitely a psyop

lol an Ojibwe nazi :thunk:

# ? Sep 11, 2020 21:33

Random Asshole: Nov 8, 2010

Rah! posted:

lol an Ojibwe nazi

After her pal Andy Ngo, I'm no longer surprised by people feverishly working towards an American Nazi regime that they themselves would be Day 1 casualties of.

# ? Sep 11, 2020 21:38

StashAugustine: Mar 24, 2013; Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Ngo makes a bit of sense since didn't his parents leave Vietnam after reunification?

# ? Sep 11, 2020 21:45

Mameluke: Aug 2, 2013; by Fluffdaddy

Most days I have to fight the urge to get "NO poo poo non-white people can uphold white supremacy" tattooed on my palm

# ? Sep 11, 2020 21:45

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he's the viet equivalent of a cuban gusano and they are unfortunately not that rare

# ? Sep 11, 2020 21:45

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

Flesh Forge posted:

https://twitter.com/RuthlessWe/status/1304509050541891584

As bad as some of the communities on Twitch can be, Twitch themselves are pretty aggressive about clearing out hateful content and generally really lovely people.

# ? Sep 11, 2020 21:46

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Random rear end in a top hat posted:

only half?

they weren't very subtle about it being a leftist-to-fascist pipeline the last time I checked there

I remember there was a big conflict in stupidpol after the murder of george floyd, many posters were opposed to the protests (and blm categorically) because it was not an "economic" protest.

I assume the bootlickers won as they always do.

# ? Sep 11, 2020 22:06

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