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It's me I like to spend my time doing silly gossip and looking at cat picture on my computer screen instead of working, booooo-rriiiiiiiiing hehehehe  
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Just got a textquote:There is a slight increase in Covid cases in our area. Please keep carefully to government guidelines to protect yourself from COVID 19. Do not gather in groups of more than six inside or outside. Keep to only two households indoors. For the latest Covid-19 advice please visit https://www.gov.uk/coronavirus When it says "our area" does it mean Britain? Cause I'm in London and I'm pretty sure London isn't actually that badly affected by the recent spike
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Sep 11, 2020 19:38
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kecske posted:love 2 use the threat of authority via my presence to intimidate subordinates Dude they couldn't bunk off work for half an hour. Call me when he's threatening to dock their wages for taking a toilet break over 15 minutes long.
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Sep 11, 2020 19:38
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management loving sucks and I'm glad I don't have to do it any more especially because I hate conflict so if someone did a lovely job I'd just tell them it was fine and then redo it myself later
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Sep 11, 2020 19:41
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Gonzo McFee posted:Dude they couldn't bunk off work for half an hour. Call me when he's threatening to dock their wages for taking a toilet break over 15 minutes long. if someone can be proved to not be doing their work then theres workplace procedures for that. going "if im not here to hold their faces to the grindstone then they must not be doing anything" is a supreme boomer mindset
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Problem is as a manager you're put in a lovely position by the higher ups. If you're offered to be a manager in a job like, say, software development, where you might already be earning 50 or 60k it's easy enough to turn down, because you're likely already living comfortably, and I know people who've done this because they didn't want the responsibility. If you're working at somewhere poo poo, like a retail, fast food place, or numerous other places like small offices etc. you're probably paid like poo poo in the first place, and you might only get like 2 quid an hour more but it's often both: a) Enough money to make a difference (2 quid an hour on top of 8 or 10 quid an hour as a base level worker is a significant percentage increase) and b) The only way of advancement (and pay increase). Plus, if you turn it down, well the company might have to hire someone else from outside the business, who will then be in charge of you, who, being hired directly into a middle-manager position, is likely to be an arsehole. Also sometimes in shittier workplaces, if you turn down a managerial position, you can eventually get fired because the higher-ups feel like you've wronged them, or it brings into question your work ethic, or whatever. So like, mostly people who end up in middle manager jobs are not really suited to it, don't really want to be managing other people, but can't really turn it down. So now you've found yourself a manager of a small team - maybe just a couple of people, and now it's you who has to answer to the higher ups if your department/team doesn't get the work done. Also it's very often the case that the manager doesn't spend all of their time managing, it's just that you're doing exactly the same work as the people you manage, but you're also responsible for co-ordinating and making sure that the desired volume of work gets done and maybe some other admin-type stuff. So if people under you are slacking, you have to pick up the slack of doing the actual work, AND you're responsible to the higher-ups for these other people's behaviour. I've made a lot of suppositions here and I don't necessarily know what CB's sitch is exactly, but I don't *necessarily* think he's being an office Nazi or whatever. It sounds to me like CB's colleagues might be being uncomradely. As a more general point though I don't think that AMAB - they often are but quite often I think it's just a lovely position they're forced into by capitalism. We're all in precarious positions, until you're at the point where you're ready to retire and you've got enough of a pension or savings or whatever that you don't ever have to worry about working anymore - and it feels like many of us will never get to that point. There are other ways to handle things in CB's situation but if, as I suspect, CB is just barely elevated above his colleagues then again it's a lovely position where you assume all of the responsibilities of managing people without having any real authority over them, often because if you tried to assert authority over them it would just sour the whole team dynamic.
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Even if I accepted all of those suppositions as valid, none of them seem to be solved by skipping lunch just to gently caress with your employees. Don't gently caress with your employees. If you need to discipline them, discipline them. If you need to help/train them, do that. Don't play mind games with them. We're too late into capitalism, but a lot of this could have been solved by "don't pay people who organise the work more than people who do the work".
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Sep 11, 2020 19:51
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Just got a text It's increasing all over the UK now, it's merely worse up north.
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With the number of people getting on increasingly crowded trains without wearing masks, I doubt it'll be long before Nodnol gets hit hard. Bonus points to the bored shitless police officer texting on his phone rather than actually paying any attention to the people coming into the Tube station on my way home. Bravo, shitwit.
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Sep 11, 2020 19:58
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blunt posted:Even if I accepted all of those suppositions as valid, none of them seem to be solved by skipping lunch just to gently caress with your employees. As somebody else already said, "loving with your employees" in this case means "not letting them freely bunk off for half an hour".
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kecske posted:if someone can be proved to not be doing their work then theres workplace procedures for that. going "if im not here to hold their faces to the grindstone then they must not be doing anything" is a supreme boomer mindset It's hardly the Pinkertons though is it? Ober thought it'd be a funny story, it got rebuffed, no reason to focus on it for pages at a time.
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Sep 11, 2020 20:00
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Gonzo McFee posted:I think you're all reading too much into a dude loving with people for a laugh that causes no harm. Managers loving with their underlings can eat a bag of dicks ContinuityNewTimes fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Sep 11, 2020 |
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Sep 11, 2020 20:01
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blunt posted:We're too late into capitalism, but a lot of this could have been solved by "don't pay people who organise the work more than people who do the work". I agree with most of your post but on this last bit: organising work is less intrinsically meaningful than doing work. If I build a cabinet I have the sense of achievement that comes with a job well done. If I’m in charge of A B and C who build cabinets where is that sense of achievement supposed to come from? If they’re good enough they did it themselves and if they’re poo poo enough that wood flinches from their grasp then it’s just my fault now they are poo poo. The only place I as a manager add any value is if they’re in the sweet spot of good enough to learn and bad enough not to know it all already. This is a good model for a lot of skill based jobs but not all. I suppose there’s a hypothetical species of mentor aliens who don’t need to have done anything but get their entire sense of self worth from developing others. But that’s not us. So we pay people more if they can manage well because (A) it’s not a very fun thing to do; and (B) when you layer that on top of not everyone being able to do it well, it’s a small pool. That’s the bit that makes sense, then capitalism gives us “everyone who is a manager is paid well because otherwise it would embarrass the bad ones and we have to care about that because they are Real People” which only works due to certain assumptions about who constitutes a Real Person.
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Gonzo McFee posted:It's hardly the Pinkertons though is it? Definitely an overreaction here. For all we know these girls are just nepotism placements by the gentry that ober works with and have as much interest in doing work as they do
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WhatEvil posted:As somebody else already said, "loving with your employees" in this case means "not letting them freely bunk off for half an hour". who gives a poo poo if they bunk off for half an hour or not? "you MUST be working at 100% for every minute you're at work" is some serious  poo poo
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WhatEvil posted:As somebody else already said, "loving with your employees" in this case means "not letting them freely bunk off for half an hour". Yup. OP didn't mention that work was behind or deadlines were being missed or customers were raising complaints, or any of the other things that managers would be concerned about, so I took it as OP is envious that their employees have more time to bunk of than (s)he does. "If I can't enjoy myself neither can you". It's the office equivalent of "if you've got time to lean you've got time to clean". I'm sticking with be an adult and talk to your subordinates instead of playing mind games with them. Final answer Jeremy. Beefeater1980 posted:... Yeah I largely agree with what you've said, but I assume that [most of] the people who really excel at being good managers probably do find developing people meaningful (I've certainly worked with software Dev managers who do). The rest of them - the bad ones - are there because it pays more (or they get off on having power over others, granted this is a small minority). They'd be better served in another role/profession but they stick around because middle management is just the right balance of pay/workload/golf trips. As an aside, hell is being a call center floor manager. There's not enough money in the world to pay me to go back to that. That job is the embodiment of being poo poo on from all sides (and yes I took the promotion because it was more money and less work than being a phone jockey and gained zero self worth from it) blunt fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Sep 11, 2020 |
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Sep 11, 2020 20:07
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Everyone's allowed to wind people up a tiny bit every once in a while and the strawmen being built around Ober's extremely mild "Lol I've slightly annoyed two subordinates" story are starting to blot out the sun. gently caress knows what you'd think of my policy of changing people's desktops to catman (blast from the past for the LF crew there) rather than going through the formal disciplinary process if they leave their machines unlocked.
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blunt posted:Yup. OP didn't mention that work was behind or deadlines were being missed or customers were raising complaints, or any of the other things that managers would be concerned about, so I took it as OP is envious that his employees have more time to bunk of than (s)he does. "If I can't enjoy myself neither can you". Yeah this is fair I was looking for the actual consequences of his colleagues not doing stuff and would still be interested to know it. And Obe if you were just pissed off but not actually justified, you know, that’s ok. We all have those moments.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Everyone's allowed to wind people up a tiny bit every once in a while and the strawmen being built around Ober's extremely mild "Lol I've slightly annoyed two subordinates" story are starting to blot out the sun. The Catman of Greenock?!
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Sep 11, 2020 20:19
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Better hold on to your sides to stop them from splitting everyone; https://twitter.com/mattforde/status/1304369734901784576
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goddamnedtwisto posted:gently caress knows what you'd think of my policy of changing people's desktops to catman (blast from the past for the LF crew there) rather than going through the formal disciplinary process if they leave their machines unlocked. That's not harassment, that's appropriate security training. We used to have a webpage we'd pull up that counted the number of seconds it had been open. Whoever had the highest total each week had to bring in biscuits in Monday.
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Gonzo McFee posted:The Catman of Greenock?!  He's pale enough to be from there I suppose
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The local Birmingham lockdown guidance makes no sense whatsoever (what a surprise) and the messaging is just confusing and contradictory. I can't meet my brother in either his or my house where we can be certain about cleanliness and Covid controls but I can freely meet up with him to go shopping or for a pint/meal in a restaurant places which are allegedly "Covid secure". Having seen a bunch of people in the local supermarket just giving zero fucks about following any sort of social distancing or wearing a mask, and seeing a restaurant being linked to 25 cases in the area, I cannot see how that is lower risk at all? Its just a loving shambles all around.
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Sep 11, 2020 20:23
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Pesky Splinter posted:Better hold on to your sides to stop them from splitting everyone; Kiss of death tbh. Wish they'd stop trying to revive the dead political satire of old and instead give money to young fresh faced comedians who aren't friends of Russel Howard.
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Sep 11, 2020 20:27
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70 million people. Ish. In the Uk. Mostly Tories. We done.
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Sep 11, 2020 20:31
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Gonzo McFee posted:Kiss of death tbh. It was always going to be poo poo. This is more a little post-it-note confirmation of that than anything. Soley relying on name recognition and nostalgia, and appealing only to those who still think HIGNFY is biting satire. Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Sep 11, 2020 |
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Sep 11, 2020 20:38
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New spitting image will have a hilarious musical number called "I've never met a nice European"
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And it'll still be called left wing comedy because it doesn't entirely consist of fellating conservatism and doing Jamaican Countdown.Julio Cruz posted:who gives a poo poo if they bunk off for half an hour or not? "you MUST be working at 100% for every minute you're at work" is some serious
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It'll be released in 2022 and half the punchlines will still be "But at least he's not Jeremy Corbyn" with no hint of self reflection at Boris doing anything heinous.
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Sep 11, 2020 20:44
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"And what about the vegetables?" "We say no to Brussels."
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Pesky Splinter posted:Better hold on to your sides to stop them from splitting everyone; Oh come on the Oasis reference is a step too far, Trevor Bastard is getting lazy now.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Oh come on the Oasis reference is a step too far, Trevor Bastard is getting lazy now. I'm sad to say that the Trevor Bastard Expanded Universe, is actually just The Universe, now.
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the gen xers are finally getting into position which can decide culture and commission exciting new projects , except theyre all bereft of ideas because theyve always been under someone else for 40 years and anything new like tik tok just scares them
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This is informing... mainly the LD result. https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1304512260237332481?s=20
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Beefeater1980 posted:I agree with most of your post but on this last bit: organising work is less intrinsically meaningful than doing work. If I build a cabinet I have the sense of achievement that comes with a job well done. If I’m in charge of A B and C who build cabinets where is that sense of achievement supposed to come from? If they’re good enough they did it themselves and if they’re poo poo enough that wood flinches from their grasp then it’s just my fault now they are poo poo. The only place I as a manager add any value is if they’re in the sweet spot of good enough to learn and bad enough not to know it all already. This is a good model for a lot of skill based jobs but not all. it's not unknown; in e.g. facilities the staff manager is often less well-paid than the tradespeople on the ground still, it's not going to be common because, generally speaking, an organisation exists because it's not two or more smaller organisations instead. In cases where management is 'easy' or at least easier in some sense than maintaining the internal command economy that exists within any company, the logical endpoint is that the manager-subordinate relationship becomes a client-vendor relationship
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WhatEvil posted:This is informing... mainly the LD result. weird that they asked the Tories twice
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Julio Cruz posted:weird that they asked the Tories twice Got roughly the same answer though.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Just got a text I’m in London too and didn’t get a text, so it must be a smaller region than that.
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OwlFancier posted:Why is it a sherman firefly? Why is it not a glorious BRITANE churchill or cromwell? Because the Firefly was actually good OP. We didnt have anything as good till the Comet.
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