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Gaunab posted:A lot of trouble for Passengers could have been solved by the writers just saying Jennifer Lawrence was also accidentally thawed out. They could even have split the difference, where he needs to thaw SOMEONE to help save the ship, and picks her. That's lovely enough to be the Complication for a romance plot, but is more of a lovely situation than a crazy-evil choice.
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oldpainless posted:For a romance done right might I suggest Twilight More like oldloveless.
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HopperUK posted:It would have been such a *good* horror movie, too. I'm still kind of baffled as to how so many dudes didn't see what he was doing. Once in a while you realise that there are quite a few men who don't really think of women as, like, *people*, and it's really disquieting. The really loving weird thing about that movie, I tried convincing my wife it's really hosed up and not romantic. She thinks it's romantic as hell. I love my wife to no end, but nobody can make me  as hard as she can.
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More like Leaveyourwife.
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Does the "to me, you are perfect" scene in Love Actually have the same division on gender lines? Coz, whilst I enjoy the movie for what it is, I think that scene/plotline is creepy and gross as hell. And am not alone in this A dude who, when employed as the wedding photographer of his friend, spends the entire ceremony concentrated on the bride, and then creepily declares his love for her, with hints of "He's not good enough for you" and "nobody will love you like I do" But there are also huge amounts of people who think it is sweet and romantic etc. And it is replayed in a godawful comic relief thing they did recently with all the characters all growed up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFjzbvW6rUg Seriously. This is loving awful, and devoid of anything resembling humour, wit, or warmth.
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BrigadierSensible posted:Does the "to me, you are perfect" scene in Love Actually have the same division on gender lines? There are very few 'good' Hollywood depictions of healthy romance from either direction. I imagine a gender swap would likely make it way worse. It feels like from the standard fare in r/relationship people end up convinced those hosed up relationship dynamics are normal and sane and end up in really toxic and lovely situations as a result of it. I think the most memorable one to me is How To Lose a Guy in 10 Days which was just loving gross as hell for a portrayal of any kind of normal or healthy relationship dynamic. And also 40 Days and 40 Nights, where the guy gets 'raped' by his ex-GF so she can win a bet and the whole thing is shown as him cheating on the girl he was interested in and he has to run to her and beg forgiveness and she only 'forgives' him because he proves how special their time was.(speaking of gender swaps that would turn a movie into a loving dark horror film) pentyne has a new favorite as of 07:36 on Sep 11, 2020 |
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I’m confused and can someone do the effort post of what happens in Passengers because you all keep sayings it’s a romantic movie when the plot sounds like it needs Sigonary Weaver to show up with a pulse rifle.
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pentyne posted:There are very few 'good' Hollywood depictions of healthy romance from either direction. I imagine a gender swap would likely make it way worse. I've said it a thousand times, romcoms have so much to answer for. Where do you even begin? The whole 'one true love' idea is definitely the most toxic and omnipresent thing.
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Comstar posted:I’m confused and can someone do the effort post of what happens in Passengers because you all keep sayings it’s a romantic movie when the plot sounds like it needs Sigonary Weaver to show up with a pulse rifle. Chris Pratt plays a passenger on a sleeper ship on a 200 year journey that is awakened 120 years early due to a malfunction. He spends a year completely alone except for a robot bartender until he spots Jennifer Lawrence in a pod and becomes infatuated with her after reading her file. He wakes her up and lies to her that her pod malfunctioned too, meaning he just doomed her to spend the rest of her life alone with him. She eventually falls for him but then he reveals what he did and she is naturally pissed and demands he stay away from her. However, they are interrupted by Lawrence Fishburne waking up and them finding out that there are multiple malfunctions that will destroy the whole ship. Fishburne dies, they save the ship and they find that they can use Fishburne's code to put Lawrence back into hibernation. She refuses and it ends 88 years later with everyone waking up and Lawrence narrating over what a great life she had all alone on a ship with a psycho.
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AceOfFlames posted:Chris Pratt plays a passenger on a sleeper ship on a 200 year journey that is awakened 120 years early due to a malfunction. He spends a year completely alone except for a robot bartender until he spots Jennifer Lawrence in a pod and becomes infatuated with her after reading her file. He wakes her up and lies to her that her pod malfunctioned too, meaning he just doomed her to spend the rest of her life alone with him. She eventually falls for him but then he reveals what he did and she is naturally pissed and demands he stay away from her. However, they are interrupted by Lawrence Fishburne waking up and them finding out that there are multiple malfunctions that will destroy the whole ship. Fishburne dies, they save the ship and they find that they can use Fishburne's code to put Lawrence back into hibernation. She refuses and it ends 88 years later with everyone waking up and Lawrence narrating over what a great life she had all alone on a ship with an
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Also her file was full of "honey you work too hard, when are you gonna find a man?" letters and videos from family and friends so he knew she was single.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:The Gap Cycle also had a ton of rape in the first book, and the rapist went on to be a major protagonist. Stephen Donaldson really loves rape in his books. He's talking about the Gap Cycle. There's an essay in the back of book 1 explaining how it was inspired by the Ring Cycle.
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pentyne posted:And also 40 Days and 40 Nights, where the guy gets 'raped' by his ex-GF so she can win a bet and the whole thing is shown as him cheating on the girl he was interested in and he has to run to her and beg forgiveness and she only 'forgives' him because he proves how special their time was.(speaking of gender swaps that would turn a movie into a loving dark horror film) I went to read the plot on wikipedia and the sources led me to this ama of the writer Rob Perez where, when asked about the rape scene, he replies quote:um, this is awkward. i wrote that so i take full responsibility. i didnt shoot it so thats the director but its pretty much what was on the page. -the scene was in no way a statement about women abusing men (isnt that category called kathy bates?), its a natural, if dark, end of act two for a sex comedy. - we had a lot of very intelligent people, writers, producers, directors, studio folk, etc. - think of different solutions to the problem and this was what we all determined was the best. im sorry if you didnt like it.
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If that's what a group of "intelligent people" "determined it was best" then FIND ANOTHER GROUP.
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I actually forgot it was only a year before he unfroze her.
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Jedit posted:He's talking about the Gap Cycle. There's an essay in the back of book 1 explaining how it was inspired by the Ring Cycle. Thanks for saving me the trouble.
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Tunicate posted:They could even have split the difference, where he needs to thaw SOMEONE to help save the ship, and picks her. "Wow, the [technobabble] needs to be inverted on the phased plasma array or the ship will implode! Let's look at the crew manifest and see who has the skills to save everyone. Okay, there are only two people - some fat old guy or this beautiful young woman. I pick her." There. Now you get a shameful reveal for why she specifically was awakened without coming across like Chris Pratt: Space Rapist. EDIT: Of course, that's still not good good. But it's a drat sight better than what they went with. Megillah Gorilla has a new favorite as of 18:03 on Sep 11, 2020 |
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Megillah Gorilla posted:"Wow, the [technobabble] needs to be inverted on the phased plasma array or the ship will implode! Let's look at the crew manifest and see who has the skills to save everyone. Okay, there are only two people - some fat old guy or this beautiful young woman. I pick her." Gonna be honest I'm glad we sidestepped a national conversation about whether or not, if he did have to wake up one of them and they were equally qualified, using an arbitrary criteria to make the choice carries a moral weight given that either way he was going to gently caress over someone's life and so on. At least Space Rapist is pretty straightforward
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The problem isn't they needed a "good" reason for Pratt to wake up a women it's that it was presented as ultimately romantic. The explosive reveal that he stole her life is then completely derailed by the ship needing fixing which in the process of doing she decides she loves him and will give up her life to be with him. The "good" ending would've been he just puts her in the spare cryo tube while she's knocked out and she wakes up with everyone else and realizes he did the only thing he could to make it right and let her have her live back.
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Why did a ship that is meant to house people in cryo-sleep for 20 years even HAVE a bar and robot bartender?
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DrBouvenstein posted:Why did a ship that is meant to house people in cryo-sleep for 20 years even HAVE a bar and robot bartender? IIRC they were supposed to wake up a month before landing and have a luxury space cruise experience.
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Did the ship not have a setup for a support crew to get unfrozen and refrozen periodically, to make sure that everything is still running?
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Jedit posted:He's talking about the Gap Cycle. There's an essay in the back of book 1 explaining how it was inspired by the Ring Cycle. Weird, I don’t think my copy had that. I figured he just had yet another series that was full of rape because that would be the least surprising thing ever.
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Schubalts posted:Did the ship not have a setup for a support crew to get unfrozen and refrozen periodically, to make sure that everything is still running? "The AI will handle it" - Elon Musk
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Garrand posted:I went to read the plot on wikipedia and the sources led me to this ama of the writer Rob Perez where, when asked about the rape scene, he replies god drat i read the rest of the comment thread about that and now i want to break this fucker's jaw.
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WeedlordGoku69 posted:god drat i read the rest of the comment thread about that and now i want to break this fucker's jaw. lmao he gets so hung up on the fact that the person criticizing him named their reddit account "asspants" 
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pentyne posted:The problem isn't they needed a "good" reason for Pratt to wake up a women it's that it was presented as ultimately romantic. The explosive reveal that he stole her life is then completely derailed by the ship needing fixing which in the process of doing she decides she loves him and will give up her life to be with him. They could have kept the tension by having both woken up by accident, Pratt’s character figures out a way to put her back under but is torn about doing it and being alone so he doesn’t tell her. Still a betrayal, but a bit more understandable one since deliberately choosing solitary life is a harder sacrifice than “don’t be a creepy bastard and wake up somebody because you’re horny”. Hell, would work even without the romance that way, nobody wants solitary confinement.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Weird, I don’t think my copy had that. I figured he just had yet another series that was full of rape because that would be the least surprising thing ever. It's an interesting little essay on the creative process. The whole series is a good adaption of Wagner's Ring Cycle to science fiction. It carries some very heavy content warnings beyond the rape stuff, but it rises above. It's actually less awful than the original.
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mllaneza posted:but it rises above. It's actually less awful than the original. I’ve just always enjoyed the way Donaldson doubled down on people hating the hero of his first book being a rapist by having the hero of his next book be a much more prolific rapist. Master troll.
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Love, Actually Is, Actually piss. It is one of those weird movies where I see so little of value in it it’s genuinely baffling when someone says they enjoy it Like Chappie
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Calico Heart posted:Love, Actually Is, Actually piss. It is one of those weird movies where I see so little of value in it it’s genuinely baffling when someone says they enjoy it I like Chappie, I bet you hate Short Circuit too
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Chappie, the movie, was worth it for Chappie, the character.
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rydiafan posted:Chappie, the movie, was worth it for Chappie, the character. tbh I thought it was a good movie in general. the title character/Copley's performance is obviously the big deal, but everything around him is a decent little action movie in and of itself. Blomkamp does good poo poo. e: it also helps that i can stand Die Antwoord, if you can't at least tolerate them you're going to really loving hate that movie
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The We Bare Bears movie aged badly immediately on release. Taking a good comedy show that stretches a premise for 11 minutes to feature length wasn't going to work anyway but they ended up making it a thin metaphor for discrimination and Trump's family separation policies. The day is saved in part by the Good Cop who arrests the evil federal agent and helps save everybody.
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On the other hand, the Coneheads movie from decades ago actually aged surprisingly well - I first watched it a few years ago. It basically involved aliens coming to Earth and being stuck there longer than they wanted to be, so long it takes generations for them to be picked up. They become entrenched in US culture, and most people end up liking them pretty quickly, it's just one government agent who initially obsesses with them because they are undocumented, and even then when he's facing a promotion he is willing to ignore them, the only reason he doesn't is that the person promoting him wants him to finish his outstanding cases first, and they are one of them. The agent doesn't actually care by that point, he's just been given an ultimatum, so has to follow through.
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Coneheads was one of the better SNL skits too.
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WeedlordGoku69 posted:tbh I thought it was a good movie in general. I was just really pissed that Sigourney Weaver’s role was so terribly written. All the B writing for the rest of the movie was fitting but seemed jarring with her.
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It was really dumb at the end of Chappie when the bad guy takes his psychic link fighter out for a spin and immediately grabs onto a couple joysticks.
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MadDogMike posted:would work even without the romance
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