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Fishman is worse than Tinsley. Tinsley at least had the excuse of being a drunk old crank, Fishman is relatively young and lucid.
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Sep 13, 2020 07:04
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That's a rather inspired cover of 4'33.
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Sep 13, 2020 08:30
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Re: transgender nuns https://youtu.be/535_479z-hM Ad made by an Italian clothing company for pride month this year. You best believe this caused fundie tears. Someone even called this "the work of the devil himself" 
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Good news everyone ! After being blocked from Garrison's site by cloudflare for the past couple days I'm able to access it again! quote:“MAGA VS. THE DEEP STATE SWAMP” NUMBER 5 IN THE DRAIN THE SWAMP SERIES.  quote:WILL YOU WATCH THE NFL?
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Sep 13, 2020 08:50
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Mikl posted:Re: transgender nuns That ad loving owns, it's incredibly wholesome.
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Sep 13, 2020 08:51
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Mikl posted:Re: transgender nuns Aw geez, I hate when commercials make me cry, but this was really sweet.
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Sep 13, 2020 09:09
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Manuel Calavera posted:That ad loving owns, it's incredibly wholesome. Counterpoint: there is zero wholesomeness about the Roman Catholic church. But I enjoyed the ad anyway, out of this world as it is! spoilered if you don't want to get angry at the Vatican posted:In 2015, the Vatican declared that transgender Catholics cannot become godparents, stating in response to a transgender man's query that transgender status "reveals in a public way an attitude opposite to the moral imperative of solving the problem of sexual identity according to the truth of one's own sexuality" and that, "[t]herefore it is evident that this person does not possess the requirement of leading a life according to the faith and in the position of godfather and is therefore unable to be admitted to the position of godfather or godmother."[4]
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Sep 13, 2020 09:21
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Nenonen posted:Counterpoint: there is zero wholesomeness about the Roman Catholic church. But I enjoyed the ad anyway, out of this world as it is! Oh, believe me, I know. I'm a trans woman who was raised in a basically irreligious household, converted to catholicism in her teens, and was then all but rejected when she came out as trans in her early thirties. (They stopped short of excommunicating me, though they came close!) At this point, my attitude is basically "gently caress the Catholic Church." And anything that makes fundies mad is a good thing in my opinion. ...Is that final landing, the one that holds the american flag, suspiciously Q shaped, or is it just me?
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Sep 13, 2020 09:41
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Mikl posted:...Is that final landing, the one that holds the american flag, suspiciously Q shaped, or is it just me? No, Ben has been a Q:er for a good while now.
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Sep 13, 2020 09:59
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No it's not just you, it's Q, and that trans nun ad is great why do good stories have to be made by loving jeans companies.
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Sep 13, 2020 10:00
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As has been said before, people who acknowledge that white people have done some poo poo in the past aren't stewing in "white guilt". The people who spend every second loudly denying it and criticizing any word against it seem a lot more entrenched in guilt.
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Sep 13, 2020 10:13
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Shugojin posted:does anyone know any ancient forbidden lore to make someone break their fingers Send them this image! Warning: brain poison. Viewing this image will cause you to try it, and you will break your hand! 
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Sep 13, 2020 10:15
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Gaybies Nomination: Least Concealed Bigotry in a Cartoon
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Sep 13, 2020 10:26
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Evilreaver posted:Send them this image! It didn't break my hand but my wrist is definitely sore now.
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Sep 13, 2020 10:30
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SirSamVimes posted:It didn't break my hand but my wrist is definitely sore now. Give it time. You're poisoned now. You'll try again 
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Sep 13, 2020 10:31
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You'd think that they would use the existence of transgender people as proof god exists. Biology can make you a certain sex, but who you are; your soul as created by god can never be denied. But...y'know that would mean they'd need to be a little less bigoted and probably lose all those people who use their faith to excuse their poo poo opinions. They don't even accept gays as people yet when they literally spout us being created in god's image.
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An insane mind posted:You'd think that they would use the existence of transgender people as proof god exists. Biology can make you a certain sex, but who you are; your soul as created by god can never be denied. But...y'know that would mean they'd need to be a little less bigoted and probably lose all those people who use their faith to excuse their poo poo opinions. They don't even accept gays as people yet when they literally spout us being created in god's image. There are a lot of things that evangelical and fundamentalist Christians typically decry even though they fit perfectly into their dogma. That's one example, and another would be evolution being god's tool in creating everything. Even the Catholics agree on the latter.
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An insane mind posted:You'd think that they would use the existence of transgender people as proof god exists. Biology can make you a certain sex, but who you are; your soul as created by god can never be denied. But...y'know that would mean they'd need to be a little less bigoted and probably lose all those people who use their faith to excuse their poo poo opinions. They don't even accept gays as people yet when they literally spout us being created in god's image. You see, this is something that comes from Catholic theology. In the Catholic world view, there is simply no place for LGBTQIA+ people. Zero. Zilch. Absolutely none. Because of their interpretation of the Bible, men and women are complementary, created to be two sides of the same coin; each with their own role, they will meet, get married, live together, have children. That is the natural order. Everything that goes against the above is not just Bad, but Extremely Super-Duper Extra Bad. Ontologically bad. Two men (or two women) falling in love with each other? Someone who thought they were one gender, actually discovering they're not that gender? It's literally against everything that is Good and True according to Catholic Theology itself; and since God created the natural order, it's also against God themselves. A catholic (meaning a single person, or even a small community) may accept queer people. The Catholic Church never will, because it would completely throwing away centuries, if not millennia, of theological interpretation and debate, and starting all over again from the original text. And that simply cannot be allowed, or they would entirely lose their monopoly on biblical intepretation. When you hear a Catholic ecclesiastical (priest, bishop, cardinal, even the pope, whatever) say "the bible says X", it does not allow argument, because the Catholic hierarchy are the holders of truth in that regards, and if they let that slip, they would lose their grip on all their followers. "We might be wrong" is something they will never say.
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Thanks for those posts. I don't think much about the catholic church or god, I only took 'love your neighbour' and 'people who lord their wealth over others are dicks' as good lines I could live my life by. Beyond that thinking for myself is probably better.
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Mikl posted:A catholic (meaning a single person, or even a small community) may accept queer people. The Catholic Church never will, because it would completely throwing away centuries, if not millennia, of theological interpretation and debate, and starting all over again from the original text. And that simply cannot be allowed, or they would entirely lose their monopoly on biblical intepretation. When you hear a Catholic ecclesiastical (priest, bishop, cardinal, even the pope, whatever) say "the bible says X", it does not allow argument, because the Catholic hierarchy are the holders of truth in that regards, and if they let that slip, they would lose their grip on all their followers. "We might be wrong" is something they will never say. To compound on this, the Catholic church is such a global monolithic power structure that changing it's basic tenets would require near unanimity for a religion with 1.3 billion followers on all continents. It's hard for national churches in small liberal Nordic countries to update their views regarding women or LBGTQ peeps or abortion or such, and when it's done there's always some conservative splinter group that wants to leave or keeps dragging their feet. For Vatican that splinter group could mean 135 million African catholics. Or 120 million Asian catholics. Vatican is going to remain as conservative as its most conservative subregion is unless it divides, and hoo boy that won't be pretty when it finally happens 
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^^^ It wasn't amazingly pleasant the first three times either.An insane mind posted:You'd think that they would use the existence of transgender people as proof god exists. Biology can make you a certain sex, but who you are; your soul as created by god can never be denied. But...y'know that would mean they'd need to be a little less bigoted and probably lose all those people who use their faith to excuse their poo poo opinions. They don't even accept gays as people yet when they literally spout us being created in god's image. Remember that many of these people believe that God will smite you for getting a tattoo, let alone any more significant rearrangements of God's image. And they believe that being gay is a choice, one that God doesn't want you to make. The typical modern Christian is indistinguishable from the Jews 2000 years ago who berated Jesus for hanging out with a prostitute. Jedit fucked around with this message at 12:04 on Sep 13, 2020 |
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Sep 13, 2020 12:01
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An insane mind posted:Thanks for those posts. I don't think much about the catholic church or god, I only took 'love your neighbour' and 'people who lord their wealth over others are dicks' as good lines I could live my life by. Beyond that thinking for myself is probably better. Jesus is alright as a moral philosopher of sorts. Christianity is a whole mess of power structures that are not good.
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Mikl posted:"We might be wrong" is something they will never say. They have said it about other things, but it's a process that takes a looooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng time. Like for the Galileo affair (1633), it took until 1979 for the Vatican to say "we might have been wrong about it" and then until 1992 to say "we have been wrong about this". So yeah I wouldn't expect a change to the official position on sex and gender issues in our lifetime.
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Sep 13, 2020 12:38
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Ben Garrison posted:Now the Democrat nominee, Joe Biden, claims he represents ‘decency.’ 
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Evilreaver posted:Send them this image!
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Nenonen posted:To compound on this, the Catholic church is such a global monolithic power structure that changing it's basic tenets would require near unanimity for a religion with 1.3 billion followers on all continents. It's hard for national churches in small liberal Nordic countries to update their views regarding women or LBGTQ peeps or abortion or such, and when it's done there's always some conservative splinter group that wants to leave or keeps dragging their feet. For Vatican that splinter group could mean 135 million African catholics. Or 120 million Asian catholics. Vatican is going to remain as conservative as its most conservative subregion is unless it divides, and hoo boy that won't be pretty when it finally happens The Anglican church is dealing with this right now. The need to change a lot of their positions on women int he clergy, gay marriage, and other progressive issues if they want to stay remotely relevant in Britain, but doing so will piss off a bunch of churches in Africa causing them to leave.
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Imagine getting mad about safe spaces in football, like there isn't this huge clearly marked boundary to make sure the places where violence is acceptable are clearly marked.
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Sep 13, 2020 15:08
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I love how they seem to think the NFL isn't doing whatever makes them the most profit
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The Methodist Church is undergoing a schism after voting to officially adopt anti-queer policies after many years of churches kinda taking on their own positions. I think the pandemic has delayed things, but I find it hilarious since my lovely parents spend a lot of time and money converting to Catholicism just because their new church had a lesbian pastor.
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Pants Donkey posted:The Methodist Church is undergoing a schism after voting to officially adopt anti-queer policies after many years of churches kinda taking on their own positions. I think the pandemic has delayed things, but I find it hilarious since my lovely parents spend a lot of time and money converting to Catholicism just because their new church had a lesbian pastor. Lol going back to catholicism because your other one was too inclusive
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My mom and her wife got married by a retired Anglican pastor. My mom was a little worried that this was going to get him in trouble, but his reaction was "what are they going to do, fire me?"
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Weird that he doesn't do screeds about Goldman Sachs but these systemic millionaires are different and bad, for some reason.RoboRodent posted:My mom and her wife got married by a retired Anglican pastor. My mom was a little worried that this was going to get him in trouble, but his reaction was "what are they going to do, fire me?" Anglicans own, I still remember my high school comparative religion class where the Anglican guy followed a doctrinaire Catholic by explaining how his three divorces really helped in marriage counseling because while he didn't have all the answers he could definitively tell people what *not* to do. Chef Boyardeez Nuts fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Sep 13, 2020 |
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Cloud Potato posted:Observer: Something about this one is just incredibly Political Cartoon. The sort of one someone who doesn't draw political cartoons would make for their fictional setting.
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Nenonen posted:Counterpoint: there is zero wholesomeness about the Roman Catholic church. But I enjoyed the ad anyway, out of this world as it is! Trust me I also know, like Mikl do. Being also transfemme. I was born and raised Roman Catholic through 8th grade. Then got out when I went to high school. And my parents didn't make a fuss. I read books on Sundays at church from like, 4th grade on. (Ironically, a lot of Redwall.) Ask me about being an ex Boy Scout and an Eagle Scout too.
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My Eagle Board specifically asked me about gay scouts, and while there may have been no wrong answer to that question, this was around the height of the Mormon Church’s hold on the BSA, so you didn’t exactly find yourself in an accepting troop.
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Manuel Calavera posted:Trust me I also know, like Mikl do. Being also transfemme. I was born and raised Roman Catholic through 8th grade. Then got out when I went to high school. And my parents didn't make a fuss. I read books on Sundays at church from like, 4th grade on. (Ironically, a lot of Redwall.) I didn't intend to imply that you weren't aware  although I didn't know that you were Catholic, though why wouldn't Manuel Calavera be Catholic... mainly my point was that in media (like this ad, or music videos, or movies) Catholic church is often brought up in overly positive light when their actual record is often far worse.That being said, the people in the church (there's over a billion of them) are presumably just about as good as people on average! Some are saints, some are absolute assholes, but most are just fine if not better.
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at least he's consistent in being ok with fraud as long as libs get "pwned" in the process because you know he sees an audience that came to see a pianist and assumes "libs"
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