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Nostalgic Cashew posted:I haven't been tracking Brexit stuff for a while, but from what I can determine: 1. Yes. WTO is not a trade deal, its where you list the tariffs and quotas on other countries goods coming in. The EU has an agreement to keep these low to each other. Without it, it can be anything. The UK things it can get lower tariffs, but will find other countries won't just give them a better deal because they are the UK. This page here explains it all: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-45112872 2. Yes. The Good Friday Agreement signed to have peace in NI has a provision in it that the NI/Republic border has no border check points. A 'hard' border. These were manned by the British army and acted as both customs and terrorism related searches. The Withdrawal Brexit bill that was voted and accepted by the UK said that the customs border will be between NI and the UK, in 'the Irish Sea'. Keeping it internal to the UK. So no 'hard' border, a 'soft' internal one. The Boris vote is saying a hard border is going to happen, customs areas are being set up (laughably ineptly set up but thats another topic). This will lead to food and medicine delays and shortages, and prices increasing across the board. Northern Ireland won't like being poo poo on by the UK, 55% voted to remain. And if the GFA is not being accepted fully by the UK, the other agreeing members to it can say 'hey we don't have to follow it either' so you can possibly have the IRA/UVF starting bombing/shooting again. The US has a soft spot for Ireland reunification due to past irish immigrants moving there and massive lobbying over the last lock of decades, so they won't like the UK doing this. And so a trade deal will not happen to save the UK's rear end for leaving the EU. It won't instantly happen on Jan 1st, no doubt the brexiteers will trumpet how they are still standing and are free and soverign and have fish now for a few weeks afterwards. But it will slowly fall over, once the shops start having less and less goods. Probably why Boris wants to get rid of the human rights laws atm, to contain any who doth protest thy new sovereignty.
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Sep 14, 2020 22:48
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Government won the vote. Well done Boris!!!!
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Sep 14, 2020 22:50
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justcola posted:I used to have a five hour commute, I'd wake up at half 5 and get home just before 8. Didn't do much besides work and if there were any traffic jams my day would be hosed. If it meant affordable rent I'd probably choose that to be honest. Sit in the car with cigarettes and coffee and a podcast that's honestly not far off what half my leisure time is anyway tbh. The Perfect Element posted:Government won the vote. Well done Boris!!!! This means we're technically a nation of pirates right?
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Sep 14, 2020 22:56
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Sep 14, 2020 22:58
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Imagine commuting in a tesla? You wont even need a house just an occasional charge station and a job!
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Err we have a trade deal with Japan it's all fine. one which, hilariously, requires more stringent anti-state aid rules than we're leaving with the EU. Getting our sovereignty back, one trade deal at a time.
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and yeah im fairly sure if boris's hard border goes ahead, NI is going to secede and join ROI.
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happyhippy posted:1. Yes. WTO is not a trade deal, its where you list the tariffs and quotas on other countries goods coming in. The EU has an agreement to keep these low to each other. Thanks for this, and the linked article. What a colossal mess!
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1305483373385854976?s=19 Its the poor cunts that have to following them round making them feel like king for a day. There is far more to it than posh twats with guns.
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NotJustANumber99 posted:Err we have a trade deal with Japan it's all fine. Lost 46% of trade from the EU. Gained 0.07% back from Japan. We should clap at 8pm.
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Ash Crimson posted:This country is hosed lmao Now now we can* vote our way out** of this mess*** *try to **into another mess ***in 4 years time
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happyhippy posted:Gained 0.07% back from Japan. Oh cool, we should all rewatch You Only Live Twice in celebration of our dumb, racist country 
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Communist Thoughts posted:Now now we can vote our way out of this mess in 4 years time Immortan Gapes will scrap voting in 2 years time.
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Fumble posted:Its the poor cunts that have to following them round making them feel like king for a day. There is far more to it than posh twats with guns. My dad used to be a charge nurse in an old style psychiatric rehab ward back in the 80s. There was a long standing deal done with the retiring charge nurse when he took over that a load of patients would be loaded into a minibus at the weekend and act as beaters for the local pheasant hunt. It was seen as therapeutic, but my old man thought it involved a bit of trousered money for the bloke retiring. He asked the patients who did it if they enjoyed it and did they want to continue doing it and to a man they declined. So it stopped. My dad even discovered there were unsaid, but a long standing understanding that the amount of largactil would be reduced leading up to October, the start of the season. Long term psychotics suffering from tardive dyskinesia on reduced dose of medication made very good beaters with the flailing arms and shouting. loving disgusting.
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happyhippy posted:GFA Stuff I agree completely that the government is playing fast and loose with an incredibly important and potentially explosive (lol) thing here, but in reality aren't the number of IRA/UVF guys who genuinely want a return to firefights in the streets limited to a few bitter old men in the back of third rate belfast boozers?
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That's likely true, but if you add new grievances, current political divides, and firearms into the mix then *gestures at the USA*
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Dogatron posted:My dad even discovered there were unsaid, but a long standing understanding that the amount of largactil would be reduced leading up to October, the start of the season. Long term psychotics suffering from tardive dyskinesia on reduced dose of medication made very good beaters with the flailing arms and shouting. This is impressively hosed up and I think its kind of sad the tory party is no longer a party capable of elevating those with this kind of thinking to the upper echelons of the party. Cummins wishes.
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ThomasPaine posted:I agree completely that the government is playing fast and loose with an incredibly important and potentially explosive (lol) thing here, but in reality aren't the number of IRA/UVF guys who genuinely want a return to firefights in the streets limited to a few bitter old men in the back of third rate belfast boozers? If socio economic conditions get worse, I imagine a there is a huge recruitment pool of young people that could be influenced by a few bitter old men. I imagine there will be a increasing amount of unemployed young people soon.
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Put a hard border around all English ports, boom, GFA remains intact. I've solved it lads.
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Dogatron posted:If socio economic conditions get worse, I imagine a there is a huge recruitment pool of young people that could be influenced by a few bitter old men. https://twitter.com/david_cameron/status/595112367358406656?lang=en Love that we could have just had minorly decreased income streams for the shareholders of UK energy utilities but instead it's all this. The one small c-conservative that works at the Telegraph must have had the most profound existential moment in the last 4 years.
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Dogatron posted:If socio economic conditions get worse, I imagine a there is a huge recruitment pool of young people that could be influenced by a few bitter old men. Yeah. I guess the question is: who's in charge of those groups at the moment, how likely are they to be able to take advantage of economic conditions to be able to recruit people to their groups (i.e. how lucrative does smuggling to the mainland become) and how much effort does Westminster put into trying to keep an eye on what's going on. If there's civil disorder elsewhere in the country, I can see MI5 getting tasked with identifying everyone nicking stationery from Smiths or setting fire to roundabouts in Chipping Norton, to the exclusion of other domestic matters.
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kingturnip posted:Yeah. I guess the question is: who's in charge of those groups at the moment, how likely are they to be able to take advantage of economic conditions to be able to recruit people to their groups (i.e. how lucrative does smuggling to the mainland become) and how much effort does Westminster put into trying to keep an eye on what's going on. I can't believe whsmiths still exists?
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Hey in Lighter news JK rowling has gone completely off the deep end and is writing a book about a serial killer cis man crossdressing as a women in order to kill women, (presumably, knowing JK rowling, in womens shelters). Really not sure what the gently caress is going on in her head but honestly it's the kind of mental state that gets people recruited into neo nazi groups. Why do you care *so much* about a specific issue that effects you not a whit.
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Drone_Fragger posted:Hey in Lighter news JK rowling has gone completely off the deep end and is writing a book about a serial killer cis man crossdressing as a women in order to kill women, (presumably, knowing JK rowling, in womens shelters). Really not sure what the gently caress is going on in her head but honestly it's the kind of mental state that gets people recruited into neo nazi groups. Why do you care *so much* about a specific issue that effects you not a whit. glinner syndrome
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thrashingteeth posted:You know it's not going to be BITING satire when Micheal Gove said he was "incredibly flattered" to be a spitting image puppet. Comedy is dead, liberals loving killed it. Same was true for quite a lot of the original show. Spitting Image was very good to Tebbit.
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Friends of friends type connection, but I know some of the people who work at the company who make the spitting image puppets. I'm pretty sure anyway, they did big heads and masked singer recently too. I don't know how involved they are in the design work but I would assume quite heavily so its a little odd knowing them as actual people how they'd gently caress up quite so much. Might have a word.
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https://twitter.com/ScrtDrugAddict/status/1305654683030228997 Big Nev being probably the most Correct person to have appeared in the Graun in several years. e: The final quote has touched me in a way I really wasn't expecting: quote:“We all have our dreams. But what we’re trying to do in this country is stop everybody dreaming. That’s the worst thing we can do because that’s where we find hope. We should all have loads of dreams and ambitions and live our lives to the full. It’s simple really.” That's what it's really about, isn't it? Everything for the last 40 years, just closing down any avenue for people to live their own lives. We are rent-generating serfs, existing only to generate wealth for a new generation of feudal lords. Anything that isn't making someone else richer is to be stamped out. goddamnedtwisto fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Sep 15, 2020 |
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Vitamin P posted:
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quote:Wetherspoon says 66 staff tested positive for Covid-19 but none of its pubs closed for deep clean source: https://www.independent.co.uk/business/wetherspoon-coronavirus-positive-tests-p-b437075.html
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Good morning UK Goons, for anyone wondering how and why the lockdowns have been such an effective 'recruiting' tool for the far-right, here is a nice long piece that puts it all in to context. It seems to have been well received so I hope you find some value in there. Conservatives have used the 'Conspiracy Narrative' in the fight against collectivism since at least the end of WW1, Trump's election tore the mask off, and now here we are: The Greatest Trick the Devil Ever Pulled  Offering a competing narrative is going to be an important part of the journey out of this mess and this may have a chance of reaching some people, who knows, good luck. Bucky Fullminster fucked around with this message at 08:28 on Sep 15, 2020 |
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Well I got blocked on twitter by an FBPE and it made me laugh which is a nice feeling. I did a tweet on the news that Starmer is isolating due to potential covid and said Good job he demanded schools reopen. The FBPE said (not 100% sure because they blocked me) "If they were made safe - you left that bit out" so I replied with Keir's tweet: "My message to the Prime Minister: I don't just want all children back at school next month, I expect them back at school. No Ifs, no buts, no equivocation" and called them a clown.  Small joys in this awful country!
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Bucky Fullminster posted:Good morning UK Goons, for anyone wondering how and why the lockdowns have been such an effective 'recruiting' tool for the far-right, here is a nice long piece that puts it all in to context. It seems to have been well received so I hope you find some value in there. Conservatives have used the 'Conspiracy Narrative' in the fight against collectivism since at least the end of WW1, Trump's election tore the mask off, and now here we are:
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Nearly 700,000 people lost their jobs in May and August. Christ alive.
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Man my commute isn't bad compared to some of these, 25km one way on a straight, paved rural road, takes me 20 minutes on a good day. Main traffic dangers are moose and deer. I saw a fox a few weeks ago too, and some curious fawn.
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Bucky Fullminster posted:Good morning UK Goons, for anyone wondering how and why the lockdowns have been such an effective 'recruiting' tool for the far-right, here is a nice long piece that puts it all in to context. It seems to have been well received so I hope you find some value in there. Conservatives have used the 'Conspiracy Narrative' in the fight against collectivism since at least the end of WW1, Trump's election tore the mask off, and now here we are: You don't need to spread your crazy to other threads just because the Q thread thinks you're absolutely mental.
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His Divine Shadow posted:Man my commute isn't bad compared to some of these, 25km one way on a straight, paved rural road, takes me 20 minutes on a good day. Main traffic dangers are moose and deer. I saw a fox a few weeks ago too, and some curious fawn. I saw a fox on the way to the gym this morning (I was going, not the fox). It reacted to me with such a lack of concern that I nervously looked back a couple of times to make sure it wasn't following me to bite my legs.
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ThomasPaine posted:I agree completely that the government is playing fast and loose with an incredibly important and potentially explosive (lol) thing here, but in reality aren't the number of IRA/UVF guys who genuinely want a return to firefights in the streets limited to a few bitter old men in the back of third rate belfast boozers? Recently Sinn Féin saw a massive increase in support in the General Election, from both the disenfranchised young and the old bitter people. Plus I'm sure I'm not doing a libel when I say that some prominent members of Sinn Féin had connections to the IRA and it was just. Gerry Adams. Plus, there has been a surge in gangland murders in the Republic, so that may show a willingness for young people to start poo poo for fun.
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