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Xander77 posted:I think we may be thinking about different writers? Democracy is pretty much a massive failure globally.
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hanales posted:Democracy is pretty much a massive failure globally. ahahaha
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Sep 15, 2020 13:35
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hanales posted:Democracy is pretty much a massive failure globally. I'm 14 years old and very smart too.
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Sep 15, 2020 15:54
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I mean, death of the author and all , but discworld is a highly moralist universe so. On one hand , pterry spoke at a tory convention, on the other hand his book have examples of class consciousness and no one who comes up with the samuel vimes theory of boots and economic inequality can be truly bad.theres a left humanist populist in there, even if buried under all the liberal tropes. Edit: actually that vimes quote is very dolly parton.partonist?partonista?
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Sep 15, 2020 16:56
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Antifa Poltergeist posted:On one hand , pterry spoke at a tory convention, He did, and you can read his speech here. It's basically a call to the tories to not strangle the NHS when they (inevitably) came to power.
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Sep 15, 2020 18:49
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Thats like talking at the ocean convention and begging water not to be wet.
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Jedit posted:No. A few months before he had to stop writing Pterry said that Discworld technology and society wasn't ever going to advance beyond the level it was at in Raising Steam. That doesn’t justify the ‘no’; at that point he knew he would never get to 60 books. Theres\’s a genre thing going on, where the Discworld is mostly Progressive Fantasy, where the past is largely bad, but getting better according a schedule set by the History Monks and/or Marx. That’s in contrast to Romantic Fantasy, where having historical trappings is no reason to have historical bad things, or Reactionary Fantasy where historical bad things are actually good. For other fantasy series, SoIaF is also written as progressive, LoTR is reactionary, the Valdemar series is romantic. You can read any of them the other way, and maybe even enjoy them. it’s just you will be talking nonsense if you use that reading to make a statement about the author.
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Sep 16, 2020 12:29
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3D Megadoodoo posted:I'm 14 years old and very smart too. I mean, restrict yourself to the English-speaking world over the last four years and you can make a pretty solid case.
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Sep 16, 2020 16:21
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:I mean, restrict yourself to the English-speaking world over the last four years and you can make a pretty solid case. it seems to work great, the voters got what they wanted
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Sep 16, 2020 22:21
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ChubbyChecker posted:it seems to work great, the voters got what they wanted No republican president has won the popular vote since 1988.
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Sep 17, 2020 05:21
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Xander77 posted:I think we may be thinking about different writers? Lmao at this set of nuclear takes.
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Sep 17, 2020 05:27
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more like moronist lmao
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Sep 17, 2020 06:52
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My new unattainable wish is to see how TP would respond to the accusation of "stanning for an enlightened dictatorship", don't mind whether it's via usenet post or interview
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Sep 17, 2020 07:11
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Oh now I feel foolish with my "world peace" 
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Sep 17, 2020 07:14
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Finished The Truth, awesome book, top 3 for me so far. Very quotable, especially William's meditations on privilege and his back and forths with Vimes and Vetinari. I enjoyed the crime movie references here too, much less hamhanded than similar stuff in Soul Music.
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Sep 17, 2020 14:15
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Xander77 posted:The guy for whom every single person pushing for civil rights is either a moron or a fraud (because that's politics, and what kind of decent person would go into that)? The guy who does "minority rights advocates are just elitist SJW's, real (model) minorities don't concern themselves with that nonsense" jokes straight out of Mallard Fillmore? What is this even supposed to be referring to? Doesn't sound like any Pratchett I've read.
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DontMockMySmock posted:What is this even supposed to be referring to? Doesn't sound like any Pratchett I've read.
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Sep 17, 2020 19:18
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The likes of Doreen Winkings and pre-Watch Reg Shoe are very well-observed resonances with a type of person who very much exists in left-wing and minority organising circles. People are allowed to poke fun at things we like.
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Yeah, Doreen Winkings is basically Rachel Dolezal.
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Sep 17, 2020 21:35
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El Fideo posted:Yeah, Doreen Winkings is basically Rachel Dolezal. there was a new similar case recently: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/03/us/jessica-krug-gwu-black-trnd/index.html
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Trin Tragula posted:The likes of Doreen Winkings and pre-Watch Reg Shoe are very well-observed resonances with a type of person who very much exists in left-wing and minority organising circles. People are allowed to poke fun at things we like. he was portrayed incredibly sympathetically in night watch too, even though prachett gets some digs in there. he's an ideologue but he's naively optimistic and portrayed as tragic rather than malicious. honestly post watch reg is arguably worse - there are a bunch of times a minority character becomes a cop and immediately goes "boy i sure do love oppressing my specific minority" which has really uncomfortable implied parallels? CoolCab fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Sep 17, 2020 |
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Detritus straight-up makes a "my own kind, can't trust em" quip in Men at Arms, and if it makes you feel bad then on top of the whole "there's no one but Watchmen in the Watch" and the later concept of "you can't just take off your badge and stop being a Watchman," I figured it was Pratchett dragging the concept and tendency of police forces being a monocultural institution that takes people and fashions them into uniformed (and uniform) instruments of the law, for good and ill, regardless of background due to the nature of the job.
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Always remember, Vetinari is an Assassin playing the long game. He's not here to rule. He's here to kill the very concept of monarchy.
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There's also the fact that in the case of Angua Pratchett is saying that diversity hires is a good thing.
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toasterwarrior posted:Detritus straight-up makes a "my own kind, can't trust em" quip in Men at Arms, and if it makes you feel bad then on top of the whole "there's no one but Watchmen in the Watch" and the later concept of "you can't just take off your badge and stop being a Watchman," I figured it was Pratchett dragging the concept and tendency of police forces being a monocultural institution that takes people and fashions them into uniformed (and uniform) instruments of the law, for good and ill, regardless of background due to the nature of the job. Yeah, all that stuff is supposed to be Vimes teaching everyone 'Once you take this badge, you can't think of yourself as a dwarf or a troll or a werewolf anymore, you are an Agent of Justice now, and you have to put Doing the Right Thing above siding with family or tradition.' It's very idealistic, but that's part of the enjoyment.
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Yeah, what gets me is like, Pratchett taking the piss out of these nominally leftist things? Dude took the piss out of everything, centering around the tendency of people to do both good and evil, but still ultimately believed in the capacity of people to do good. If this is a bad thing, then I can only assume that whatever that dude's beef with Pratchett is is about how he was not cynical enough in his fantasy comedy series lol
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Alhazred posted:There's also the fact that in the case of Angua Pratchett is saying that diversity hires is a good thing. Not just Angua. Cuddy and Detritus were also very positive hires, not least because they developed one of the first troll/dwarf friendships.
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Liquid Communism posted:Always remember, Vetinari is an Assassin playing the long game. Ah... Wait... Goddamned right he is ! Thank you.
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Liquid Communism posted:Always remember, Vetinari is an Assassin playing the long game. So who hired him? Assassins don't work for free.
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Canuckistan posted:So who hired him? Assassins don't work for free.
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Canuckistan posted:So who hired him? Assassins don't work for free. Effectively? The Guilds, whose power he increased significantly, and the people of Ankh-Morpork.
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Jedit posted:Not just Angua. Cuddy and Detritus were also very positive hires, not least because they developed one of the first troll/dwarf friendships. Ugh don't remind me of Cuddy :'(
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Finished Monstrous Regiment, I agree that it ran out of steam at the end, but still quite enjoyable. Polly was a solid POV, and I'm a sucker for stories where the main character figures out that they aren't really the most important person to the story. Where to now? I'm thinking reading the Moist von Lipwig stuff, then doubling back to finally read the Witches books. (I've finished the Watch books, Death books, Small Gods, and now The Truth and Monstrous Regiment)
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DACK FAYDEN posted:"I come from the city. Think of me as... your future." After following Mike Duncan's Revolutions podcast for months, I'm rereading Night Watch with renewed appreciation.
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Tokelau All Star posted:Finished Monstrous Regiment, I agree that it ran out of steam at the end, but still quite enjoyable. Polly was a solid POV, and I'm a sucker for stories where the main character figures out that they aren't really the most important person to the story. Thief of time? Otherwise yes, the moist books are good.
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Well, the trailer's out. I hate it. It is just tantalizing enough, with all these quick little Discworld references (Gaspode! Sybil's hair fell off!), that I'm all the more frustrated with the setting and casting choices (Why is Sybil a young woman?). I also liked Vimes a lot more in the casting photos, in action he seems... I dunno, seedier? Grimier than I always pictured him? I will give it a couple episodes to see how it feels when it's all put together, but I'm not terribly hopeful.
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Phenotype posted:Well, the trailer's out.  that looks terrible. I'm sure someone will enjoy it, like most terrible things. I lost it at them being Sam and the Holograms I guess? (Which is truly outrageous!)e: If Sybil is ball due to being an Aristocrat (i.e. some congenital VD) that's a point for them, though.
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They're trying something. It might not work, and it might not be worthwhile, but I've had more than enough of Sky's plunkingly clueless attempts to be reverent while also totally missing the point. Worst case scenario, at least it'll be bad in a different way.Phenotype posted:I also liked Vimes a lot more in the casting photos, in action he seems... I dunno, seedier? Grimier than I always pictured him? I mean, when we first meet him in Guards! Guards!, he's literally an irrelevant, incompetent drunk, lying in the gutter singing a rude song about hedgehogs.
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Oct 9, 2020 22:02
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Yet another thing that fans will pretend don't exist, like the movies for the Dark Tower and World War Z.
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Trin Tragula posted:I mean, when we first meet him in Guards! Guards!, he's literally an irrelevant, incompetent drunk, lying in the gutter singing a rude song about hedgehogs. Yeah, that's exactly why I was having a hard time coming up with the right word to describe it. But he doesn't seem like a drunkard cop, he seems like a drunkard criminal. And his face is too animated. He's too comic.
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