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Yeah but the quote was from Leto. Like I earlier, I feel that it is more bad pop psychology than anything else, I don't know where the APA was on Homosexuality in 1981 but it was in the DSM as a disorder for a long time.
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exmachina posted:Yeah but the quote was from Leto. Like I earlier, I feel that it is more bad pop psychology than anything else, I don't know where the APA was on Homosexuality in 1981 but it was in the DSM as a disorder for a long time. leto is literally a god-tyrant who says a lot of heinous poo poo, unless you think herbert was also advocating for tyranny as a means to an end
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Horizon Burning posted:leto is literally a god-tyrant who says a lot of heinous poo poo, unless you think herbert was also advocating for tyranny as a means to an end Yeah but Leto is literally omniscient and was being ernest when he said that. Look, demonising people for having opinions that are bad in a modern context is counterproductive. Homosexuality was still illegal in almost every country in 1981. I would like to think he would think differently if he wrote these books today but I can't bring myself to have him cancelled for having a reasonably liberal opininion in 1981 (Homosexuality is not a sin against God and Man, but sublimated trauma a la PTSD)
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Koirhor posted:Just imagine the Josh Brolin funkopop Sun burned taint
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i’m disappointed that they didn’t follow through
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TK-42-1 posted:i’m disappointed that they didn’t follow through  Like, they didn’t have to go completely all out but even just a little effort would have been good.
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Immigration actually named him Paul Caladan, after his hometown.exmachina posted:Don't forget to give the spice prospectors an ornithopter Thanks for the advice! I look forward to meeting my end many a time in the harsh environs of DUNC.
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For context, here is the entire conversation about Homosexuality. I misremembered: It is Moneo reporting Leto's views, not Leto himself.quote:
Now to me, it seems that Leto is talking about the specific homosexual behaivour that occurs in male-only spaces: a modern example could be "prisongay". "That condition" he refers to I think is the "frozen adolescence," not homosexuality. I am not gay though, and don't want to talk about a subject that I don't authentically understand. I just wanted to provide a little context. exmachina fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Sep 15, 2020 |
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Yeah it's definitely homophobic but he (leto) doesn't seem to be saying that homosexuality is itself the problem or even A problem Idaho is the one threatened by the implications.
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exmachina posted:Yeah but Leto is literally omniscient He's not
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there's also the bit where duncan rails about it and moneo tells him to get with the times grandpa
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No, no, this is too much context, we just need to flip the table and be done with it.
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Ingmar terdman posted:He's not What is omniscience if not prescience combined with near-complete knowledge, intimate knowledge, of almost every human that ever lived? exmachina fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Sep 15, 2020 |
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I think the distinction is that being able to see anything isn't the same as seeing everything. Didn't Leto himself compare it to one's normal vision being obscured by the terrain?
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Horizon Burning posted:leto is literally a god-tyrant who says a lot of heinous poo poo, unless you think herbert was also advocating for tyranny as a means to an end Frank definitely had Theories about gay suicide commandos, the hero in the dosadi experiment talks about it. my guess has always been that herbert looked at the high suicide rates for gay people and decided it was some kind of jungian eros/thanatos thing rather than, idk, life being kind of poop if society hates you for what you are, but I don't have a lot of backing for that other than that mention and some suppositions.
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sebmojo posted:I played dune 2 on the Amiga and it had big swelling synth chords for a soundtrack, I loved it.never been able to find a recording of it. Here you go, all the Westwood Dune game soundtracks (Dune II, 2000, Emperor) are on his website: https://www.frankklepacki.com/listen/soundtracks
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Conflation of BDSM and homosexuality was pretty normal at the time. And today come to think of it. Like go look at how Lawrence is portrayed in the movie about him. I really don't think it goes much farther than that.
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I am listening to the audiobook and just arrived to that conversation when the new duncan ghola arrives and meets Moneo and holy poo poo its an extremely outdated and downright terrible way to express a certain point (males go really rapey on each other when left to their own devices).Only being EXTREMELY generous with the meaning can you be okay with it. I wasn't expecting that.I can only imagine the depths of the weird horniness awaiting for me. hump day bitches! fucked around with this message at 11:08 on Sep 15, 2020 |
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I approach God Emperor's commentary on sexuality like this: Leto II is, thinly, Herbert, I think. At least, sometimes he is. It's hard to say that he always is. This book started life as a monologue, from Leto, and it probably had a lot more of Herbert's voice in it in that form? But sometimes it feels like Herbert talked to "experts" of his time, and had his own ideas extrapolated from notions that prevailed at a time when non-standard sexuality and gender identity was widely seen as a perverse pathology. I think Herbert has some pretty serious contempt for Idaho's take on these things, and it really feels like Moneo is really, extremely set up to make Duncan look like a loving doofus out of time, and his hostile views towards homosexuality are noted as primitive. But it's still not remotely kosher in 2020 and I wasn't thrilled when I read it, I can give Frank the pass of "if he had called a psychiatrist in the year he wrote this book, this would probably be close to what would go in his ear". He stood no chance of saying anything that'd feel appropriate today. Riot Bimbo fucked around with this message at 11:24 on Sep 15, 2020 |
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Folks, it sure was great calling things gay up until 2010. Shame about that dastardly Frank Herbert that just had to write down his views on homosexuality 50 years ago.
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TK-42-1 posted:i’m disappointed that they didn’t follow through  This hurt me
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Anne Frank Funk posted:Folks, it sure was great calling things gay up until 2010. Shame about that dastardly Frank Herbert that just had to write down his views on homosexuality 50 years ago. Leto II: "i'm gay"
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worm gay, so what
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Be gay, do golden path.
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Holding your cum for 3000 years to ejaculate on the galaxy.
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Galewolf posted:Holding your cum for 3000 years to ejaculate on the galaxy. Baron Harkonnen in his hover whitey-tighties "The cum must flow!!!"
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Zedhe Khoja posted:Conflation of BDSM and homosexuality was pretty normal at the time. And today come to think of it. Oooh, yeah, there's also the part in Seven Pillars of Wisdom where Lawrence ends his description of gay sex among the Arab recruits with a line about how some of them need to be hurt physically while boning. Considering all the Lawrence (and Alexander the Great) in Paul, it's kind of interesting that it's the Harkonnens that engage in homosexuality and all the weird warrior sex pop-psych stuff.
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No Pants posted:Oooh, yeah, there's also the part in Seven Pillars of Wisdom where Lawrence ends his description of gay sex among the Arab recruits with a line about how some of them need to be hurt physically while boning. Considering all the Lawrence (and Alexander the Great) in Paul, it's kind of interesting that it's the Harkonnens that engage in homosexuality and all the weird warrior sex pop-psych stuff. Leto II does, he's more like old grandpa Harkonnen than paul.
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I am not sure why Frank seems to think a 9 year old that can direct a battle has to be ride on a nun's shoulders? He is 9 and he has the memories of a 300 year old mentat. He can walk
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Ingmar terdman posted:I am not sure why Frank seems to think a 9 year old that can direct a battle has to be ride on a nun's shoulders? He is 9 and he has the memories of a 300 year old mentat. He can walk Is that after God Emperor? I only read that far but that sounds amazing
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Shoehead posted:Is that after God Emperor? I only read that far but that sounds amazing He unlocks a new level of rear end-kicking in heretics that requires him to recharge by eating a lot of soup. When they awaken his ghola in chapterhouse he also needs soup e: 
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That's Miles "Prower" Teg.
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Finished chapterhouse, here is my ranking Dune (a lot of space) Messiah God Emperor Children/Heretics (near tie with an edge to Children) Chapterhouse Too bad Frank didn't finish, and too bad no one ever wrote another word in this series. It's complete because it's ended here. Ingmar terdman fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Sep 16, 2020 |
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Ingmar terdman posted:I am not sure why Frank seems to think a 9 year old that can direct a battle has to be ride on a nun's shoulders? He is 9 and he has the memories of a 300 year old mentat. He can walk To keep him in submission. He commands, but only by the grace of the sisters
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sebmojo posted:Frank definitely had Theories about gay suicide commandos, the hero in the dosadi experiment talks about it. https://www.publishersweekly.com/978-0-7653-0646-3 he wasn't big on gay people esp his son
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My favorite part in chapterhouse is the lazy naked dude sunbathing that Sheeana decides not to report because game recognizes game.
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