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They pretty comprehensively screwed up everything on the cultural side of things (as well as everything in general); not only written by committee, but clearly by boomers who know less about Asia than your average weeb who's seen Dragon Ball.
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Memento posted:In the original Mulan: "If I work really hard to keep up with the guys I can make sure my father doesn't have to go to war and fight! Hard work means you can achieve the things you want in life!" Should have made her like the original Mulan from literary sources, where she's a girl who is just into swords and other war stuff so when she disguises herself as a man and join the army, she doesn't hide it from her parents because they know she at least have the combat stuff covered. And when she is exposed as woman, the army is cool with it because they already saw her being badass. Then she returns home and marries her neighbour and becomes a housewife for life (your mileage may vary on that ending).
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Aladdin fuckin sucked poo poo. I'd rather they had left out the songs, they did such a bad job on them. The singing sucked, the choreography sucked, nobody had any chemistry at all and it goes without saying, but Will Smith is no loving Robin Williams The one good idea they had was giving Jasmine a song, that was something that felt like it was missing in the original. But they made it sound exactly like Let It Go and it did not fit into the soundtrack at all.
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Sep 15, 2020 14:53
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BrigadierSensible posted:Did the cartoon version do well in China? Cartoon Mulan was also panned in China. There were individual specific objections like the Eddie Murphy dragon, but the overall issue was just that their attempts to Americanize the Chinese fable made it ring false to the Chinese audience; as I understand it American audiences are big on the individual's journey for themselves, while China's historically been more into the individual's journey to uplift the family and/or community, and while China's certainly very happy to consume American stories, they don't take kindly to you loving up the values important to Chinese stories. Mulan's apparently big among Asian immigrant families to English-speaking countries, though (especially China, of course). That mashup of Asian story and western sensibilities really let it find a home there.
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Sep 15, 2020 15:11
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You know what movie actually embraced Chinese mythology and cultural values and became a big hit there?  It's got everything. The national animal, the national sport, and the central conflict is ultimately the internal struggle between Confucianism and Taoism. Wu Jiang, President of the Peking Opera Company posted:The film's protagonist is China's national treasure and all the elements are Chinese, but why didn't we make such a film?
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Sep 15, 2020 15:24
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This is how the main bad guy dies at the end of the new live action Mulan. Spoilers if you, uh, care about seeing that movie? But this is real. It's not fake. I want to stress that before you click.
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Sep 15, 2020 15:30
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Sep 15, 2020 15:37
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Roblo posted:It's also apparently a poo poo, unnneeded remake. I feel as though all the recent live action remakes of classic Disney films probably fall under that category. In the before times (this past January) I watched live action Lion King with friends. It was fine, but I'd rather just see the original, which is nostalgic for me.
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Sep 15, 2020 15:40
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I feel as though all the recent live action remakes of classic Disney films probably fall under that category. In the before times (this past January) I watched live action Lion King with friends. It was fine, but I'd rather just see the original, which is nostalgic for me. They're all just made to keep the copy-writes (or trademarks or whatever idk I'm dumb) within Disney, aren't they? I mean cash grabs also sure but I thought the main thing was that it keeps the properties owned by Disney
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Sep 15, 2020 16:15
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DACK FAYDEN posted:This is how the main bad guy dies at the end of the new live action Mulan. Spoilers if you, uh, care about seeing that movie? But this is real. It's not fake. I want to stress that before you click. Was this movie made on a budget of “we found some change in the couch cushions”? That looks cheap as hell.
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Sep 15, 2020 16:17
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They should pull a switcheroo and make a Mighty Ducks cartoon remake!
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Sep 15, 2020 16:24
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Solice Kirsk posted:They should pull a switcheroo and make a Mighty Ducks cartoon remake! That's not the worst idea I've heard for a live action remake.
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Sep 15, 2020 16:27
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Joey Freshwater posted:They're all just made to keep the copy-writes (or trademarks or whatever idk I'm dumb) within Disney, aren't they? I mean cash grabs also sure but I thought the main thing was that it keeps the properties owned by Disney When Disney wants to extend copyrights, they'll just pay politicians to do it.
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Sep 15, 2020 16:28
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RandomFerret posted:Aladdin fuckin sucked poo poo. I'd rather they had left out the songs, they did such a bad job on them. The singing sucked, the choreography sucked, nobody had any chemistry at all and it goes without saying, but Will Smith is no loving Robin Williams I love Alan Menken to death, but ooof that song. "I'm going to stand up and be heard" is a great sentiment that immediately crashes and burns because a) she's singing a song in her head that no one can hear, b) she uses her newfound confidence to beg a man to let them go. Let It Go was poppy theater-bait, but at least it had an empowering message about being yourself and not hiding your strengths. E: the Aladdin stage musical does a lot more with Jasmine, and I highly recommend it even if you don't have kids. They make a lot of good changes, including giving Aladdin friends who are infinitely more interesting than him. hyperhazard has a new favorite as of 16:42 on Sep 15, 2020 |
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hyperhazard posted:
Let It Go had the same problem. Powerful ballad about being yourself and not hiding who you are, sung by someone who is actively running away from all she knows and voluntarily exiling herself from where she grew up because her differences make her dangerous.
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Sep 15, 2020 16:54
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AFewBricksShy posted:Let It Go had the same problem. Ok, good point.
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Sep 15, 2020 17:10
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Disney movies are made so little kids will sing the songs in cars. I don't think super deep meanings are necessarily in their wheelhouse.
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Sep 15, 2020 17:13
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Solice Kirsk posted:They should pull a switcheroo and make a Mighty Ducks cartoon remake! IIRC it's actually a slight issue that the real world team owns the rights to the main character, Wildwing Flashblade. (I had an inordinate love for that show as a kid, the reasons for which, your guess is as good as mine)
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Sep 15, 2020 17:28
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The Mighty Ducks is a great little kid sports movie. I'd put it right up there with The Sandlot.
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Sep 15, 2020 17:30
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Schubalts posted:When Disney wants to extend copyrights, they'll just pay politicians to do it. The internet might not have made this one so easy anymore, actually. Not so much because they can't do it (they totally can), but more because they can't really get away with it without backlash anymore. General awareness of the situation is much higher, and social media means that a negative response to that would be... fairly substantial. It's likely the reason why this year was the first time in decades that media's actually entered the public domain, Disney don't seem as willing to pursue an extension. Of course, they've got a few years to change their mind on that one; under current laws, Steamboat Willie enters public domain in 2024, and that feels like what they've always been scared of.
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Joey Freshwater posted:They're all just made to keep the copy-writes (or trademarks or whatever idk I'm dumb) within Disney, aren't they? I mean cash grabs also sure but I thought the main thing was that it keeps the properties owned by Disney I mean steamboat willie still isnt public domain so 90s renaissance cartoons certainly aren't.. They're cash grabs because they actually do sell tickets (Mulan not withstanding but well, you know) and 2D animation isn't as popular with younger kids so a live action remake is an (almost) guaranteed hit on an old concept.
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Regarding Mulan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3QKq24e0HM
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The whole "need to make something quick to keep the trademark" thing really only applies if you're holding the license to something created by another person, and the rights will revert if you don't do anything with it. The awful Fantastic 4 movie from 2015, Hellraiser: Revelations, and The Bourne Legacy are all examples of films that were poo poo out at the last minute because otherwise the rights for those characters would revert to the original creator (or Ludlum's estate since he died). Disney is making these stories off public domain characters, which means there's no risk of the copyright on the Renaissance-era films expiring until long after everyone alive now is dead.
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Disney does, however, love the fact that we consider those to be "disney characters" and I have no doubt they would spend hundreds of millions of dollars to keep subsequent generations thinking the same way
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Sep 15, 2020 19:38
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Barudak posted:I had a job where I had to do lots and lots of research via google for products and was assigned condoms and dog food at the same time and my ads became wild
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Sep 15, 2020 19:45
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You can look up what the Google algorithm thinks your demographics/wants are in one of the settings menus. You used to be able to do it with Facebook too, but not sure if that is still the case. I never input any personal information, based on my searches/websites logged into through my Google account, Google thought I was: - 25-45 - Male or Female - In the United States - In Eastern or Pacific timezone - Had an income between $40,000 and $80,000 - Was a renter - Had a college degree or higher - Interested in comedy, sports, news, word processing, digital entertainment, travel, healthcare, dating, marriage, learning foreign languages, soccer, football, prestige television, situation comedies, mathematics, and internet commerce. Probably 60% accurate. Depending on how you count it.
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I turned all that poo poo off asap, which means they definitely still collect that info and sell it, they just don't show it to me anymore. Like I believe their one-hand-mysteriously-behind-back pinkie swear that they won't collect any data on me if I just say I don't want them to.
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DACK FAYDEN posted:This is how the main bad guy dies at the end of the new live action Mulan. Spoilers if you, uh, care about seeing that movie? But this is real. It's not fake. I want to stress that before you click. Was the bad guy a motherfucker who tried to iceskate uphill?
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CJacobs posted:I turned all that poo poo off asap, which means they definitely still collect that info and sell it, they just don't show it to me anymore. Like I believe their one-hand-mysteriously-behind-back pinkie swear that they won't collect any data on me if I just say I don't want them to. Don't be ridiculous, that would be super illegal for them to do. 
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I just checked my Google algorithm information again and google now thinks I am a married man between 35-44 years old and upper middle class. No idea what I've been searching for that was much older, married, richer, and male than I was before. It also downgraded its guess of my education from "Advanced Degree" to "Bachelor's Degree," so Google thinks I have become less educated. Google also thinks I have really gotten into cats, greeting cards (???), flowers, and classical music in the last year. For a multi-billion dollar algorithm and advertising/marketing giant, this seems really broad and has quite a few misses. 
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CJacobs posted:I turned all that poo poo off asap, which means they definitely still collect that info and sell it, they just don't show it to me anymore. Like I believe their one-hand-mysteriously-behind-back pinkie swear that they won't collect any data on me if I just say I don't want them to. Where do you even find that stuff? I looked around, but I was only finding stuff like my subscriptions and my location history (turned off) and whatnot. I'm not seeing my demographics anywhere.
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Yeah, I'm kinda curious myself.
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Try this.
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Sep 16, 2020 01:48
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I am actually excited for the live action Hunchback of Notre Dame because it will be like watching three on-fire trains crashing into a popcorn factory and then a final wreck in a gas truck.
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on a related note, the location data tracker isn't super accurate either, it seems to think i'm going on all these wild journeys every couple of weeks when i'm in like hour 3 of a 9 hour sleep wild meaning like, to a traffic circle then around the circle a few times then back home via a different route, i'm assuming it's just google trying to deal with junk data from gps satellites being made by the lowest bidder
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Mine thinks that my interests include parenting, but that I'm not a parent. That I'm single, but interested in weddings. Truly, I am a paradox. It also thinks I'm interested in ModCloth, which I've never visited, a specific marketing firm for some reason, and Bollywood films, which I've never watched. I am interested in yard maintenance, despite not having a yard.
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Sep 16, 2020 02:07
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Mine just seemed to list everything under the sun. Feelin' kinda ripped off.
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blatman posted:on a related note, the location data tracker isn't super accurate either, it seems to think i'm going on all these wild journeys every couple of weeks when i'm in like hour 3 of a 9 hour sleep Could be going off whatever cell tower your phone has the strongest connection to at any point in time as well. And yeah, good work google, you should totally serve me ads about ... *squints* ... Device Drivers?
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