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I wrote this the last time this came up in another thread, when Sen. Grassley last changed the blue slip policy: A blue slip is a blue-colored form sent by the chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee to the senators who represent the nominee's home state. A positive blue slip means the senator approves, and a negative blue slip means the senator disapproves. Sen. Eastland (D-MS, 1956-1978) and Sen. Leahy (D-VT, 2001-2003 and 2007-2015) were the only Democratic chairs of the Senate Judiciary Committee who required two positive blue slips for nomination, though the policy has been in effect for 48 years out of the past 62 years. Sen. Kennedy (D-MA, 1978-1981) and Sen. Biden (D-DE, 1987-1995) and had a policy that a negative blue slip doesn't torpedo a nomination as long as the President consults with the home state senators. Sen. Sen. Grassley (R-IA, 2015-) announced on November 16, 2017 he is going to switch from the harsher Leahy policy to the more lax Biden policy for circuit court (i.e. Court of Appeals) nominees, but not district court nominees. Republicans held the presidency 17 of the 48 years that Eastman and Leahy chaired the committee, and five out of eight years that Biden chaired the committee. Without taking the time to research the amount of nominations each policy has affected, it's plain to see the always-changing blue slip "traditions" have benefited the Republicans. For context on what proportion of Democratic nominees fell to blue slips, 18 Obama nominees were blocked by the blue slip policy, compared to 79 Obama nominees blocked by 2013. The ever-changing blue slip policy benefited Republicans for a long while, even before Grassley. Additionally, https://twitter.com/SenFeinstein/status/964297022240014336 Today WHTM posted:U.S. District Judge William Stickman IV, who was appointed by President Donald Trump, sided with plaintiffs that included hair salons, drive-in movie theaters, a farmer’s market vendor, a horse trainer and several Republican officeholders in their lawsuit against Wolf, a Democrat, and his health secretary. galenanorth fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Sep 15, 2020 |
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evilweasel posted:i have thought it was very obvious feinstein was full-on senile for a while (she will say something absurdly stupid and her staff will immediately reverse it in a written statement) and my guess is this is another product of that Feinstein isn't senile, she's fully lucid and proud of what she is: a piece of poo poo centrist bluedog with zero interest in anything resembling actually tangible progressive policy.
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Sep 15, 2020 18:25
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Which galaxy brain senator came up with the idea of a blue slip in the first place?
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Sep 15, 2020 18:56
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Which galaxy brain senator came up with the idea of a blue slip in the first place? According to the Congressional Research Service (see page 2), the first known appearance was under the chairmanship of Senator Charles Allen Culberson (D-TX) in 1917, although it may have existed before then. Congressional Research Service posted:Although the White House and Senate were both controlled by the Democrats in 1917, there was nonetheless periodic tension between the two branches. Consequently, inter-branch relations may have been a factor in the blue slip’s creation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Allen_Culberson Wikipedia posted:Culberson was reelected in 1905, 1911, and, again, by popular vote in 1916, when health problems and alcoholism prevented him from campaigning in Texas but did not prevent his reelection. However, his health and opposition to the Ku Klux Klan finally led to the loss of his seat in the Democratic primary in 1922. Edit: so maybe it was because for a brief period of time, a Democrat chairing the Judiciary Committee was less racist than the president from the same party galenanorth fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Sep 15, 2020 |
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Sep 15, 2020 19:07
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evilweasel posted:It wasn't just that Paul Ryan "could" pass skinny repeal. It was very, very obvious to everyone concerned that was the actual plan: that Paul Ryan was just going to take "skinny repeal" and pass it, then Trump would sign it into law, then they would try to negotiate from the position that the entire nation's heath care system had been smashed so you might as well negotiate over what to do next. Lol I mean, yeah, exactly. God could you imagine what that would have been like.
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Diane Feinstein posted:“I’ve objected forcefully to Republicans’ decision to abandon the blue slip,” Feinstein said in the statement. “As I’ve reminded them repeatedly, what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gan This is kind of comical in the context of refusing to commit to retaliating against republican abuse of the practice. In fact she's telling them what's good for the goose has 0 downsides but you will look even more disappointed with them when they gently caress you over as soon as they're back in power.
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Sep 15, 2020 19:22
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Probably they were a good way to nip budding Borks early once upon a time but obviously not anymore.
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Sep 15, 2020 19:22
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Sydin posted:centrist bluedog Please define “centrist bluedog” for those who may think it an oxymoron.
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MrNemo posted:This is kind of comical in the context of refusing to commit to retaliating against republican abuse of the practice. In fact she's telling them what's good for the goose has 0 downsides but you will look even more disappointed with them when they gently caress you over as soon as they're back in power. Yeah the message is more like "I guarantee you that the gander will never try what's good for the goose, go wild goose"
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Which galaxy brain senator came up with the idea of a blue slip in the first place? It does make some sense for lower court judges below the appeals level. "hey the president nominated these 100 guys to be judges, check with their senators, see if they know if any of them are nuts so we dont waste our time with a hearing for a nut". Once you get to the appeals level though, its high enough that the nominee is unlikely to be a weird crank, and the Senate should go ahead and have the hearing edit: of course back then, "nuts" was related to competency, like you were actually crazy or unfit to be a judge, and not "this person seems too progressive". Rigel fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Sep 15, 2020 |
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Sep 15, 2020 19:34
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Rust Martialis posted:Please define “centrist bluedog” for those who may think it an oxymoron. If you've never heard of the Blue Dog Democrats, they're a faction which supports austerity through a combination of reduction in spending and tax increases, but only on the wealthy. The Department of Defense budget is excepted from the spending cuts. They tend to be further right on social issues, but they're also weathervaners like most of the rest of the Democrats. Generally speaking, when a good piece of legislation gets enough support to get a majority, like the Never Forget the Heroes Act, you can see the Blue Dogs are the last cosponsors piling on. They mostly vote Independent during the votes for House Speaker, and in 2018 they tried to use their leverage to 1) make Pelosi institute a rule saying that increasing taxes on the bottom 80% in terms of income will be forbidden by House rules 2) make Pelosi allow Republican-sponsored legislation with support of two-thirds of the chamber to come to the House floor among other concessions. None of their demands that I remember made it through because they didn't have enough leverage. galenanorth fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Sep 15, 2020 |
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What on earth makes the senators from a judge's home state any more qualified than any other senator to give them a filter? It sounds very similar to the secret hold that's more or less gone these days.
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Sep 15, 2020 19:38
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ShadowHawk posted:What on earth makes the senators from a judge's home state any more qualified than any other senator to give them a filter? we're talking before the internet where research was more tedious and it was like "drat, I haven't even heard of most of these guys. Someone ask the Senator from Texas if he knows anything about him at all before we schedule a hearing".
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ShadowHawk posted:What on earth makes the senators from a judge's home state any more qualified than any other senator to give them a filter? A combination of they actually probably do know or know of the person (historically, anyway - Trump nominees have been different) and deference to Senators as representatives of their state constituency. It was seen as inappropriate to force a state to accept a judge when the state’s political representation didn’t want them - which isn’t actually a crazy thing to do! Note that even Grassley and Graham have maintained the blue slip tradition for district court nominees; it’s only for circuit court nominees (where theres multiple states at issue) where there’s been much difference. E: also the secret hold is definitely not dead.
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Rust Martialis posted:Please define “centrist bluedog” for those who may think it an oxymoron. a pleonasm, maybe an oxymoron? hardly
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Rigel posted:we're talking before the internet where research was more tedious and it was like "drat, I haven't even heard of most of these guys. Someone ask the Senator from Texas if he knows anything about him at all before we schedule a hearing". Seems more likely to spike a nomination over dumb personal grudges than legal qualifications
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Rigel posted:edit: of course back then, "nuts" was related to competency, like you were actually crazy or unfit to be a judge, and not "this person seems too progressive". “This person seems like a possible commie” is likely however.
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galenanorth posted:If you've never heard of the Blue Dog Democrats... I asked the op to define “centrist bluedog”, precisely because it’s an oxymoron.
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Rust Martialis posted:I asked the op to define “centrist bluedog”, precisely because it’s an oxymoron. The Blue Dog Coalition, commonly known as the Blue Dogs or Blue Dog Democrats, is a caucus of United States congressional representatives from the Democratic Party who identify as fiscally responsible and centrist.
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Rockit posted:The Blue Dog Coalition, commonly known as the Blue Dogs or Blue Dog Democrats, is a caucus of United States congressional representatives from the Democratic Party who identify as fiscally responsible and centrist. Ah, so when exactly did Senator Feinstein become a member of that group of House Democrats?
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"Centrist Bluedog" is not an oxymoron it's a redundant statement because centrist and bluedog both mean the same thing in this context. Can we get back to how much of a piece of trash Feinstein is and get her primaried from the left if she runs for reelection again?  e: vvv If it makes you feel better I blanked on the actual term. Evil Fluffy fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Sep 15, 2020 |
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Sep 15, 2020 21:56
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Rust Martialis posted:I asked the op to define “centrist bluedog”, precisely because it’s an oxymoron. It’s a tautology, not an oxymoron... Unless you don’t think Blue Dogs are centrist? Efb
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Rust Martialis posted:Ah, so when exactly did Senator Feinstein become a member of that group of House Democrats? Don't just switch topics and pretend you weren't just dead wrong about something that takes 10 seconds to google.
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Sydin posted:Feinstein isn't senile, she's fully lucid and proud of what she is: a piece of poo poo centrist bluedog with zero interest in anything resembling actually tangible progressive policy. If that were the case her staff wouldn’t keep reversing her position within 24 hours in written statements.
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She could always be both
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The bluedog caucus such as it is has been nearly annihilated over the last 10 years or so, so I would expect that Feinstein's people have some ability to read the room.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:The bluedog caucus such as it is has been nearly annihilated over the last 10 years or so, so I would expect that Feinstein's people have some ability to read the room. feinstein doesn't give a gently caress, she's an incredibly senior and powerful senator, she'll do whatever the gently caress she wants and gently caress you if she wasn't crazy powerful she'd probably have been primaried a long time ago, she's representing California and by current standards she is aggressively Third Way and quite authoritarian. Like poo poo she was pretty far on the authoritarian side of things even back during bush 1, she was a massive proponent of all the patriot act stuff and other antiterror enablement stuff that led us here. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Sep 16, 2020 |
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evilweasel posted:If that were the case her staff wouldn’t keep reversing her position within 24 hours in written statements. That's because she knows she's not going to unseated and so she can afford to run her PR like the dril tweet where the guy keeps turning the dial labeled "racism" and looking back to the audience to gauge their reaction, except replace "racism" with "conservatism".
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She's like Schumer in that the moment a credible primary challenger appears the entire DSCC fund is going to get dumped in to trying to save them no matter how many other races it costs the party.
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Yeah she's one of the primary power brokers in the DNC and I don't think a primary challenge from within the party is viable, since she would have no scruples about weaponizing the entire party apparatus against them. It'd also basically be career suicide.
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Sydin posted:Yeah she's one of the primary power brokers in the DNC and I don't think a primary challenge from within the party is viable, since she would have no scruples about weaponizing the entire party apparatus against them. It'd also basically be career suicide. That and the California jungle primary system means it’s not enough to win a primary, you’d also have to win the general (or push her to third) and the general electorate includes Republicans who are probably not voting for an AOC type.
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fool of sound posted:Don't just switch topics and pretend you weren't just dead wrong about something that takes 10 seconds to google. Maybe take longer than 10 seconds next time? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Democrat "In addition to the New Democrat Coalition, which represents the moderate wing, the Blue Dog Coalition represents conservative Democrats in the U.S. House of Representatives." Or, using the article https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Dog_Coalition to answer questions like ' How were the Blue Dogs seen when they had power in the Clinton era?' "In the early years of the caucus, the Blue Dogs were viewed by some as the political successors to a Southern Democratic group known as the Boll Weevils.[37][38] The Boll Weevils may, in turn, be considered the descendants of the Dixiecrats and the "states' rights" Democrats of the 1940s through the 1960s, and even the Bourbon Democrats of the late 19th century." Or the list of former Blue Dogs who jumped ship to the GOP. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_members_of_the_Blue_Dog_Coalition In short, for most of it's existence, the term "Blue Dog" meant a *conservative* Democrat. Now the current group is different, but again, considering the current group apparently " professes an independence from the leadership of both parties" (wikipedia again). I'm not quite sure this would really describe Feinstein, who in any event is ineligible as a Senator. Seriously, from 1995 to today, calling someone a bluedog didn't mean "centrist". Again, Wikipedia: "The Blue Dog Coalition was formed in 1995[9][10][11] during the 104th Congress to give members from the Democratic Party representing conservative-leaning districts a unified voice after the Democrats’ loss of Congress in the 1994 Republican Revolution.[12]" But yeah, sure, ignore the origin and history of the term so it only means centrist now, okay.
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gently caress Feinstein. Wasn't her rise to power thanks to the assassination of Moscone and Harvey Milk?
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"Centrist" doesn't mean the center of the Democratic Party.
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Rust Martialis posted:Maybe take longer than 10 seconds next time? Take the L, friend.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Take the L, friend. Actually that poster is correct and you're being extremely petty.
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NaanViolence posted:Actually that poster is correct and you're being extremely petty. No, they're not - Blue Dogs are conservative on the spectrum of Democrats, and centrist on the spectrum of American politics, and the poster is grasping at straws to try to win a pointless argument that is dragging the thread down because they can't admit that they didn't realize that difference when they first read the post that sent them off the deep end. That very Wikipedia link lists plain as day "Ideology: Centrism". It's incredibly obvious that Sydin meant "Blue Dog Democrats, who are centrist on the American political scale". I'm advising that the pettiness stop, and the stupid argument end. Lemniscate Blue fucked around with this message at 09:53 on Sep 16, 2020 |
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Take the L, friend. Quite obvious neither of you considered the usual meaning of the term, as used since the group formed in the 1990s. Providing evidence was indeed a waste of time. Rust Martialis fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Sep 16, 2020 |
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jeeves posted:gently caress Feinstein. Wasn't her rise to power thanks to the assassination of Moscone and Harvey Milk? In the sense that she became mayor because she was the President of the Board of Supervisors when Moscone was murdered, yes.
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sorry sparking this dumb as gently caress derail
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