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ClamdestineBoyster posted:Most people are so incredibly loving stupid that the few people that can pass comprehension benchmarks for the simplest poo poo are touted as unquestionable pillars of knowledge than no simple person could challenge over any concept that is over their head. What people don’t realize is that they are actually a very solid bearing for science and engineering. Does that poo poo hurt? Garbage. Does that poo poo impede your functioning? poo poo. Does that poo poo make this task harder? Bollocks. Does that taste gross? Does that make you sick? Does that poo poo present a risk to people? Double donkey dick horseshit. The problem is people think they can’t learn that poo poo independent of an institution, or they’re told people who don’t test high on intelligence tests can’t learn that poo poo. You can literally just buy college textbooks and get a working knowledge of most poo poo in this world, even if you aren’t that smart. Most people don’t realize that good engineering, good science, doesn’t inflict pain on people, doesn’t make risk for people, doesn’t make confusing and counterintuitive systems, doesn’t involve self sacrifice. Most people who think they are smart are actually just good at following complicated instructions, they can hold a lot of poo poo in memory at once. They are usually horrible at making decisions, answering questions clearly, and truly understanding the mechanisms they are using and the results they yield. Not very many “intelligent” people actually produce any new information, it’s actually like there is a block that keeps them from doing that, when it’s an easy thing for people with lower iqs to do (although the new ideas they produce are touted as worthless without credentials). Like when magic and fantasy didn’t have an instruction set, all the brainiacs were the fearful and nervous ones while everyone else moved poo poo forward with real practical science. Useful poo poo that doesn’t gently caress poo poo up p much. ok mensa guy
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Nigmaetcetera posted:Anybody know of a really gory fantasy novel or series of novels? I’m in the mood for something really immoral, vile, gross, and graphic. A good plot with fun characters would also be a plus. I can’t be scared away by mere yuckiness. I prefer weird disgusting violence and horror over weird disgusting sex and fetishes, but I’m willing to let it slide if need be. have you heard of the world of gor? *whipcrack*
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How did none of you recommend Malazan? It's based on the author's dnd campaigns!
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Sep 17, 2020 02:50
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Is that the one with sex ninjas or was that a different series?
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Sep 17, 2020 02:53
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Sex ninjas is King Killer Chronicles. Also every 12 year old boy's dreams.
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Sep 17, 2020 03:00
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there wolf posted:How did none of you recommend Malazan? It's based on the author's dnd campaigns! Because despite getting enough prequels the recommended read order map looks like schematics for a circuit board, it's still way too good for this thread. super sweet best pal fucked around with this message at 03:15 on Sep 17, 2020 |
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Mad Hamish posted:There's Richard Morgan's The Steel Remains and it's sequels which are incredibly gory fantasy with a very unusual take on elves and dwarves. As a bonus it’s also got some super explicit gay sex scenes that I’m still not sure are enlightened or just included to freak out nerds. Or both.
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there wolf posted:How did none of you recommend Malazan? It's based on the author's dnd campaigns! because they aren't "bad" fantasy books in a real objective way.
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Flared Basic Bitch posted:As a bonus it’s also got some super explicit gay sex scenes that I’m still not sure are enlightened or just included to freak out nerds. Or both. My personal theory is that the author wanted to write a series so excellent that freaked-out nerds would feel compelled to read it despite this. It really is very very good.
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Sep 17, 2020 03:31
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richard morgans sci fi books are also good they really hosed up the tv show of altered carbon though, which sucks considering like 50 different tv shows and video games since have been dining out on the ideas from those books
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juggalo baby coffin posted:they really hosed up the tv show of altered carbon though, which sucks considering like 50 different tv shows and video games since have been dining out on the ideas from those books Thank god, someone that agrees with me about the TV show. Though Richard Morgan did use a whole slew of concepts that were already established by the transhumanist and futurist communities. The awesome story’s all him though. Altered Carbon and Thirteen are fantastic. I’m apparently the only person on the planet that liked Market Forces, so definitely read that too.
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the good parts of the show were straight from the book, and everything else was original. so overall a few cool scenes, ideas and characters dotted like sprinkles on a poo poo sundae.
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Flared Basic Bitch posted:Thank god, someone that agrees with me about the TV show. Though Richard Morgan did use a whole slew of concepts that were already established by the transhumanist and futurist communities. The awesome story’s all him though. market forces was underrated. business guys murdering each other with tricked out SUVs was a cool idea and yeah the ideas nearly all pre-date altered carbon, but the implementation of them has been knocked off so many times now. almost all of black mirror's last couple of seasons were stolen wholesale. the christmas episode with john hamm got a ton of praise for being original when its almost a direct swipe of a scene from altered carbon, just spun out into a full episode. i'd read a fair amount of stuff about brain uploading and body backups thats from a longer time ago, like the metamorphosis of prime intellect, line of delirium, neuromancer, otherland, but the way altered carbon did it was really real-world and gritty and just lovely in the way stuff like that would be if it was real. 'sleeving' seems to have become the standard parlance for changing bodies now too. i dunno, its hard to articulate why i connect a lot of stuff to altered carbon more than other stuff that has the same original ideas in it.
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The Steel Remains and its sequels have some really weird gay alien sex going on, but it was overall pretty gross what with all the rape and sexual violence against women and children. That plus the author showing his rear end this year makes visiting Altered Carbon a hard sell for me.
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Solice Kirsk posted:Sex ninjas is King Killer Chronicles. Also every 12 year old boy's dreams. I can't believe that Kingkiller Chronicles hasn't been mentioned yet in this thread; it's incredibly successful and well-reviewed, and also awful and worthless. The author, Patrick Rothfuss, stole LeGuin's system of magic and wizard school, and yet somehow got a favorable blurb from LeGuin herself for the first novel in the trilogy. The protagonist, Kvothe, is an arrogant, unrelatable rear end in a top hat who is also The Best and Most Soulful Musician in the fantasy world, and the The Most Naturally Talented Wizard. And then he visits Sex Faerieland and gets schooled by a Sex Faerie, after which he is also The Best at Sex. Then he visits Sex Ninjaland and learns to be The Greatest Warrior, and also has lots of casual sex with Sex Ninjas, because, as the author is at pains to illustrate, the Sex Ninjas have the correct, utopian view of sexuality, which is that guys like Rothfuss should get to have lots of sex with hot, athletic warriors without all of that inconvenient "intimacy" and pedestrian "courting" that less-enlightened humans insist upon. Absolute garbage.
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Re: Feist and the Serpent Wars. He did a pretty good job with Roo's character flaws and why he has them without outright stating it.
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Flared Basic Bitch posted:I’m apparently the only person on the planet that liked Market Forces, so definitely read that too. You're not. Definitely do. Some absolutely brutally lines in that book.
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Flared Basic Bitch posted:As a bonus it’s also got some super explicit gay sex scenes that I’m still not sure are enlightened or just included to freak out nerds. Or both. If there's any explicit sex scene in a fantasy novel, it's because that's the author's fetish. Always
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I tried reading the first Kvothe book, couldn't make it fifty pages. Correct me if I am wrong, but that was one of those thousand page doorstops, right? The torrent of crap in all genres released a thousand pages at a time in the 00s onward makes me set a hard limit of 600 pages without compelling reasons to exempt something.
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The funny thing about Kingkiller Chronicles is that the first book came out right as it was becoming clear that GRRM was going to be taking a long time to finish his series so it was promoted as an already written and completed trilogy that just needed to be published. The first book came out in 2007 The second in 2011 There is no third book No Pants posted:The Steel Remains and its sequels have some really weird gay alien sex going on, but it was overall pretty gross what with all the rape and sexual violence against women and children. That plus the author showing his rear end this year makes visiting Altered Carbon a hard sell for me. Yeah for some reason despite the fact that he wrote a series about people being able to change bodies whenever they want to he's revealed himself to be a huge transphobe.
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super sweet best pal posted:Because despite getting enough prequels the recommended read order map looks like schematics for a circuit board, it's still way too good for this thread. it's written by bobby jordan's deputy so it definitely is bad fantasy
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muscles like this! posted:The funny thing about Kingkiller Chronicles is that the first book came out right as it was becoming clear that GRRM was going to be taking a long time to finish his series so it was promoted as an already written and completed trilogy that just needed to be published. The author streams on twitch and any time someone asks about the third book they're immediately banned lmao.
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Flared Basic Bitch posted:As a bonus it’s also got some super explicit gay sex scenes that I’m still not sure are enlightened or just included to freak out nerds. Or both. drat it, you ruined the surprise!
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Meh, there's already a Patrick Rothfuss/Kingkiller Chronicles mock thread in the book barn.
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ChubbyChecker posted:ok mensa guy Mensa people are stupid af that’s the point I was trying to make. They crave the pure democracy of a clown planet and the purest sacrifice of all knowledge at their core. Yet they succumb to the intoxicating ethers of they’re own rear end and mistake the nurturing bosom of science for their own mother, suckling at the most sober druggie as the light at the end of their tunnel, but the light is just a mirror of them in clown makeup. 
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ClamdestineBoyster posted:Mensa people are stupid af that’s the point I was trying to make. They crave the pure democracy of a clown planet and the purest sacrifice of all knowledge at their core. Yet they succumb to the intoxicating ethers of they’re own rear end and mistake the nurturing bosom of science for their own mother, suckling at the most sober druggie as the light at the end of their tunnel, but the light is just a mirror of them in clown makeup.
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Kingkiller Chronicles was recommended to me by so many people. I read the first uncritically and still found myself hating the main character but found the rest tolerable enough for a deployment read. I was less charitable to the second book going in and I just skimmed through most of it. Surprise, almost nothing of substance happens but you sure know how much every woman within 20 miles wants to suck Kvothes dick. I guess there's not a lot to say that hasn't been said already. The embarrassing sex stuff is missing from the plot summary on wiki lmao. Elderbean fucked around with this message at 13:57 on Sep 17, 2020 |
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juggalo baby coffin posted:richard morgans sci fi books are also good Shame dude is a super TERF which you can kinda see in the books a future where you can have any body you want but is still obsessed with gender binaries 
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Elderbean posted:Kingkiller Chronicles was recommended to me by so many people. I read the first uncritically and still found myself hating the main character but found the rest tolerable enough for a deployment read. I was less charitable to the second book going in and I just skimmed through most of it. Surprise, almost nothing of substance happens but you sure know how much every woman within 20 miles wants to suck Kvothes dick. I just loved that it starts out as a washed up dude spinning tales of when he was boy wonder, but by the end he's unironically what would happen if Harry Potter and Bruce Lee's baby was a rock star engineering genius sex God. loving Drizzt would role his eyes at Kvothe. Hiro Protagonist would consider him a bit over the top.
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The second book is definitely when it became clear that Rothfuss had no clue what he was doing. The first book was an okay fantasy novel but the second book is terrible with awful pacing and story.
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Inverted Icon posted:I'll second this. After a few books you'll get the point, but I think it's what you're looking for. I’ll third it. I appreciate the author takes constructive criticism well. When told that he didn’t write women well in the first trilogy he took it to heart as something to try and fix.
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Also, having your lilly-white character come from a culture that's clearly Romani, but 100 percent original do not steal. Good job, Rothfuss.
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Cobalt-60 posted:Meh, there's already a Patrick Rothfuss/Kingkiller Chronicles mock thread in the book barn. Thanks for pointing that out, because I found this there ... from his review of the first Hobbit movie. I said "holy poo poo" out loud several times while reading this. This guy has serious issues. ... but then again, what I've learned from this thread is that it would far easier to make a list of fantasy writers who aren't Sex Weirdos than it would be to do the opposite. Rothfuss' blog posted:You know that it’s going to be like? It’s going to be like wandering onto an internet porn site and seeing a video of a girl I had a crush on in high school. You probably knew someone like her. The smart girl. The shy girl. The one who wore glasses and was a little socially awkward. The one who screwed up the curve in chemistry so you got an A- instead of an A.
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overseer07 posted:Anyone else read the Guardians of the Flame series by Joel Rosenberg? Apparently there's like ten books in the series, but young me was only aware of the first five. Hell yeah, thanks for posting this because the only detail I've ever remembered about these other than "tabletop rpg guys become their characters" is that in the first fight, the fighter dude throws away his scabbard because it's a single edged sword and I guess that's what you're supposed to do with a single edged sword. The guy didn't know it, but his rp character did so he just tossed it aside without thinking. I thought that was a cool detail as a kid and I've always wondered what book it came from.
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Mad Hamish posted:drat it, you ruined the surprise! Yeah!
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SirSamVimes posted:The author streams on twitch and any time someone asks about the third book they're immediately banned lmao. lol
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Black August posted:I always wanted to write a story that starts off as "young boy is the Chosen One, leaves his mother at the behest of the Spirits/Oracles/King" or w/e and off he goes to do the fantasy book and jRPG deal. But even with whatever blessings he has, he's still a loving CHILD, and even with the help of his adventuring party he ends up very very dead. Eventually, this gets back to the mother, who now has witnessed powerful beings take her kid away to die. smart gods already took this into consideration, why do you think so many chosen ones are orphans
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Raiad posted:smart gods already took this into consideration, why do you think so many chosen ones are orphans Smart gods still often overlook the mother. Her job is to poo poo out the Chosen One and then stay at home by herself with no husband or other children, to wait for the Hero to return. Like a GOOD woman. I'd like to see that line of divine thinking get them all torn apart into piles of holy poo poo.
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overseer07 posted:Anyone else read the Guardians of the Flame series by Joel Rosenberg? Apparently there's like ten books in the series, but young me was only aware of the first five. Oh man, I read the first five books of this series when I was a kid, thinking it was so mature and gritty and dark and now that I look back on it, it was just bad. Not good, bad. Doesn't help that I found out much later Joel Rosenberg became a crazy Obama birther and gun nut.
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Bro Dad posted:Shame dude is a super TERF which you can kinda see in the books dang that is really insane that hes a terf. i guess there is some stuff in the book about how most peoples digital avatar is their original body, and the only guy whose self-image is a fusion of all the bodies he's had is some kind of monsterous serial killer
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