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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:cspam: why do people unfairly accuse us of being in favor of political violence??? I fail to see the hypocrisy
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:cspam: why do people unfairly accuse us of being in favor of political violence??? are cspammers known for not being in favor of political violence during historical revolutions? are we reading the same forum. i think you’re confused
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Sep 17, 2020 18:36
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:cspam: why do people unfairly accuse us of being in favor of political violence??? How long will it take to capture Baghdad? 2 days Will Saddam be killed? Yes Total Iraqi civillian casualties: 500 dead Total military casualties Iraq: 3000 dead Total military casualties U.S.: 15 dead Will the Iraqi army regulars hold the lines? No Will the Republican Guard fight to the end? No Will chem/bio weapons be used on invading troops?: Yes Will Saddam launch attacks on the Kurds? Yes Will Saddam launch attacks on Israel? No -If yes; will Isreal retaliate harshly? Yes Will Saddam sacrifice Baghdad (gas/nuke it)? No Will the Kurds make a grab for independence? Yes Will Iran do anything silly like try for land? Yes Will Saddam burn the oil fields? Yes How long will the US be occupying Iraq? ~15 years Will the Iraq war catalyze increased terrorism in America?No In the long run, will this war be good or bad for the world? Good We have to look at what those civilian casualties are- just because they're civilian doesn't make them innocent! Lets take a look at a few possibilities: 1) A civilian walking down the street to market gets killed by a cruise missile fired at the market. 2) A civilian asleep in their house is killed when their house is targetting by a smart bomb and blown up. OK, these two are regrettable innocents being killed- but since the US doesn't make a habit of targetting markets or houses, they're very small in number! 3) A civilian working at a chemical weapon factory gets killed when the chemical weapon plant is bombed. 4) A civilian security guard at a weapons depot is killed when the weapons explode. 5) A civilian contractor repairing a tank is killed by a MOAB dropped on the unit. 6) A civilian engineer is killed when the military command center he works at is destroyed. 7) A civilian delivering snackiecakes to the baghdad bunker vending machines eats a 5,000lb bunker buster. etc, etc. The list goes on. My point is that there are a lot of civilians directly supporting the military that aren't exactly "innocent" and would be mire rightly counted among the military casualties than civilian. I'm a civilian and work for the US military, but I acknowledge I'm also a valid military target because of what I do. And I think the vast majority of civilian casualties in this campaign will not be innocent.
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Sep 17, 2020 18:37
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:cspam: why do people unfairly accuse us of being in favor of political violence??? 
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Sep 17, 2020 18:38
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the family dynamics of the computer critters confounds me
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Sep 17, 2020 18:38
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can we get a d&der in here to decry the murder of marie antoinette, a political prisoner who was no threat to her ruthless captors
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Sep 17, 2020 18:38
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The Kerensky government was lib poo poo, it doesn't matter if he considered himself a moderate socialist or not. Lenin was the only one willing to end the goddamn war, which is what people wanted. The Soviets were also the de facto organs of worker power and were kept out of the provisional government. Anyways what really killed the chance for a socialist unity government was the SRs assassinating the German ambassador and trying to force Russia to reenter WW1.
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Sep 17, 2020 18:41
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d&d people gloss over random people, including children, killed by liberal foreign policy constantly so they can somehow find a mental rationalization for accepting american institutions as legitimate or worth defending, or how it’s harm mitigation because actually biden will ether less children into meat gibs so it’s rational to vote for him. and you’re going to come in here and try to relitigate the loving russian revolution as being an indictment on the politics of cspam posters. get the gently caress out of here. no one gives a poo poo about your faux indignation
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Sep 17, 2020 18:41
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to be clear: not stanning the Russian monarchy or the iraq war. not even saying that the Russian revolution was bad. am saying that if you talk yourself into cheerleading the cold-blooded murder of children because of their last name, you might get a reputation for being in favor of political violence 
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Sep 17, 2020 18:42
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that's a good pic but the presiden'ts name is misspelled
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Sep 17, 2020 18:43
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:to be clear: not stanning the Russian monarchy or the iraq war. not even saying that the Russian revolution was bad. am saying that if you talk yourself into cheerleading the cold-blooded murder of children because of their last name, you might get a reputation for being in favor of political violence lmao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YJqKwpoi40
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Sep 17, 2020 18:44
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it sucks that kids are killed anywhere but the blame rests squarely on the Russian monarchy for engineering a situation where everyone both wanted to kill the family and thought it was pretty much a political necessity to kill the entire family.
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Sep 17, 2020 18:44
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:to be clear: not stanning the Russian monarchy or the iraq war. not even saying that the Russian revolution was bad. am saying that if you talk yourself into cheerleading the cold-blooded murder of children because of their last name, you might get a reputation for being in favor of political violence Yeah I agree, libs who are cool with mudering thousands of kids because their last name is Ahmad or Abdallah really are scum
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Sep 17, 2020 18:46
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:to be clear: not stanning the Russian monarchy or the iraq war. not even saying that the Russian revolution was bad. am saying that if you talk yourself into cheerleading the cold-blooded murder of children because of their last name, you might get a reputation for being in favor of political violence on the last page i see some black humor about a bad maudlin netflix show making someone’s wife think the children deserved it, that’s clearly a joke, and then some discussion about the motivations the revolutionaries would have had in attempting to stop reactionaries from having a royal dynasty to rally behind. no one is jerking off over child death. get the gently caress over yourself
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Sep 17, 2020 18:47
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Lol https://twitter.com/GoadGatsby/status/1306406243997810689?s=19
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Sep 17, 2020 18:49
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:to be clear: not stanning the Russian monarchy or the iraq war. not even saying that the Russian revolution was bad. am saying that if you talk yourself into cheerleading the cold-blooded murder of children because of their last name, you might get a reputation for being in favor of political violence How many children did the Russian monarchy murder for political reasons?
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Sep 17, 2020 18:50
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It's sad that the kids died but tbh this is like someone posting "America DESERVED 9/11" and posting a picture of one of the kids on Flight 11 and being like "oh so you're okay with murdering this 4 year old, huh?" its a gag, a joke if you will, don't be so wound up
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Sep 17, 2020 18:51
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*krammers in* I have no idea what I'm talking about, but if I ignore all context and focus on the worst possible interpetitation this seems bad?? Anyway engage me in good faith *poo poo spews forth from mouth* good faith discussions
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Sep 17, 2020 18:51
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the hereditary monarchs knew what they signed their children up for
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Sep 17, 2020 18:54
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THS posted:on the last page i see some black humor about a bad maudlin netflix show making someone’s wife think the children deserved it, that’s clearly a joke, and then some discussion about the motivations the revolutionaries would have had in attempting to stop reactionaries from having a royal dynasty to rally behind. no one is jerking off over child death. get the gently caress over yourself Source4Leko posted:It made my wife feel like even the kids deserved being shot. gradenko_2000 posted:your wife was right gradenko_2000 posted:your wife was right Agnostalgia posted:it's not even a matter of "deserved" or not. you gotta get rid of the whole dynasty when ending a monarchy or they'll keep coming back like bedbugs. gimme the GOD drat candy posted:none of the would-be romanov impostors over the years has amounted to anything, so i'd say the purge worked quite nicely. Flavius Aetass posted:correct, and more importantly a pretender gives foreign governments cause to intervene
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Sep 17, 2020 18:54
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Hey cspam, are cis people actually capable of being communists? Their tiny shriveled genders could never truly embrace the new world, their minds unable to see past the fascile fate of genitalia. Why should we trust the party to someone who believes in the bougaguise concept of selfhood, what some capitalist pig doctor told them to identify as. Thoughts?
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Sep 17, 2020 18:55
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Sep 17, 2020 18:56
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Crazycryodude posted:Yeah I agree, libs who are cool with mudering thousands of kids because their last name is Ahmad or Abdallah really are scum agreed people shouldn't kill kids for political reasonsOrange Devil posted:How many children did the Russian monarchy murder for political reasons? please read the post you quoted quote:to be clear: not stanning the Russian monarchy or the iraq war. THS posted:d&d people gloss over random people, including children, killed by liberal foreign policy constantly so they can somehow find a mental rationalization for accepting american institutions as legitimate or worth defending, or how it’s harm mitigation because actually biden will ether less children into meat gibs so it’s rational to vote for him. and you’re going to come in here and try to relitigate the loving russian revolution as being an indictment on the politics of cspam posters. get the gently caress out of here. no one gives a poo poo about your faux indignation i don't think i've ever posted in d&d, if that helps
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Sep 17, 2020 18:56
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MonsieurChoc posted:Tell that to Ungern von Sternberg. Note that he wasn't exactly on good terms with Kolchak. The whites weren't a monolithic movement, and they are painted as predominantly monarchist in Soviet hagiography of the October Revolution to portray bolsheviks as the only even remotely progressive force at the time. The truth is more complicated. Dreddout posted:Eh, kerensky had definitely pulled the SRs to the right making them an effectively social democratic government, the provisional government intended to consolidate into a liberal republic which is why many left SRs sided with the bolsheviks While true that for SR to form coalition with more liberal parties (not monarchists) some concessions had to be made. It still doesn't follow that keeping Romanovs alive was some enormous risk. It's not like they've actually killed-off all Romanovs with claims to the throne anyway. The Russian Imperial House is alive and well to this day. As well as an imperial house without an empire can be, I suppose.  The Head of the Russian Imperial House, H.I.H. the Grand Duchess Maria of Russia who is apparently about to reinstate monarchy in Russia Soviet spies have killed dozens of politically dangerous agents abroad throughout the years, from 'wrong' communists to nazi collaborators. But they never bothered with surviving royals, because at some point they realised nobody cared about them that much, really.
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Sep 17, 2020 18:58
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wasn't the execution of the romanovs a spur of the moment decision made by the local commanders when it looked like they might be recaptured by the whites
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Sep 17, 2020 18:58
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:agreed Strange, you think kids should be killed for apolitical reasons? Seems kinda weird, you're gonna get a reputation.
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Sep 17, 2020 18:59
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yes thats exactly what i said?? where in there do you think people are genuinely happy about child murder. do you think that’s at all a fair way to read those posts. no. of course you don’t, you’re just doubling down on being full of poo poo now because your entire conception of political violence is one that ignores the greater systemic daily violence of a political system that you buy into as legitimate, in favor of overfocusing on a few historical events you can wield in bad faith to rationalize why communists are bad. you’re a disgusting worm
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Sep 17, 2020 18:59
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:thanos was wrong
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Sep 17, 2020 19:00
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holy gently caress is he unironically advocating for the genocide of Everyone there? that is some sick poo poo..
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Sep 17, 2020 19:01
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StashAugustine posted:wasn't the execution of the romanovs a spur of the moment decision made by the local commanders when it looked like they might be recaptured by the whites There are different opinions on who exactly sanctioned the execution. The shaky consensus is that Lenin and Sverdlov were involved.
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Sep 17, 2020 19:02
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T-man posted:Hey cspam, are cis people actually capable of being communists? Their tiny shriveled genders could never truly embrace the new world, their minds unable to see past the fascile fate of genitalia. Why should we trust the party to someone who believes in the bougaguise concept of selfhood, what some capitalist pig doctor told them to identify as. Thoughts? As a cis-man, I am deeply depressed by these new facts.
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Sep 17, 2020 19:02
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I'm glad that Kerensky eventually stopped bothering with the SRs and decided to focus on the SRMs, otherwise Stefan the Usurper would have held on to power.
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Sep 17, 2020 19:03
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Sep 17, 2020 19:05
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can't wait to read your inevitable qcs thread about this
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Sep 17, 2020 19:06
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they should of just taught the kids to be socialists....duh
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Sep 17, 2020 19:06
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babies belong in the trash, a good picture
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Sep 17, 2020 19:07
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TeenageArchipelago posted:babies belong in the trash, a good picture what the gently caress dude, that’s clearly child abuse.. you think caging babies is good?? reported
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Sep 17, 2020 19:09
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T-man posted:Hey cspam, are cis people actually capable of being communists? Their tiny shriveled genders could never truly embrace the new world, their minds unable to see past the fascile fate of genitalia. Why should we trust the party to someone who believes in the bougaguise concept of selfhood, what some capitalist pig doctor told them to identify as. Thoughts?
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Sep 17, 2020 19:10
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THS posted:yes thats exactly what i said?? where in there do you think people are genuinely happy about child murder. do you think that’s at all a fair way to read those posts. no. of course you don’t, you’re just doubling down on being full of poo poo now because your entire conception of political violence is one that ignores the greater systemic daily violence of a political system that you buy into as legitimate, in favor of overfocusing on a few historical events you can wield in bad faith to rationalize why communists are bad. you’re a disgusting worm lmao friend you don't know anything about my politics or thoughts on history, communism, and socialism. i pointed out the tension between disclaiming political violence on the one hand and saying that kids deserved to be shot so that they didn't come back like insects on the other. this appeared to touch a nerve for you, causing you to project a very great deal onto me. to be clear, i'm not your dad or whoever you imagine yourself arguing against
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YOU DONT KNOW ME!!!
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