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GlobglogGroAbgalab
Jul 25, 2016

It appears that the elephant is highly sensitive to the effects of LSD - a finding which may prove to be valuable in elephant-control work in Africa.
I get emails from some online casino, looking for some guy named lance, all about his winnings

It is my belief that this is a marketing ploy, take a look behind the curtain, lance could be you

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blarzgh
Apr 14, 2009

SNITCHIN' RANDY
Grimey Drawer

Devor posted:

The first incarnation of the site, Whitesonly.com, was declared a hate group by the SPLC, so they created Farmers Only

To be clear, this is a joke, isn't it?

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Thomamelas posted:

This is weird. Long ago I got a firstname.lastname gmail address. I have a pretty common name. About five years ago, a retired judge wanted my email address. He sent a few emails, I read one and just ignored the rest. I guess during his retirement, he does arbitration. I got sent some legal docs. Didn't look at them. Didn't open them. But I did sent a message that they had sent the docs to the wrong person. That has triggered an avalanche of legal/personal threats. Stuff like threatening to sue me and have people beat me up. I'm thinking this dude is just an old cranky boomer with too much free time. Is this something consulting with a lawyer might help with? And if so, what kind. Or am I just kinda stuck writing more and more rules in gmail till the guy crokes?

If the arbitrator is threatening to have people beat you up, file a bar complaint against the motherfucker. Google "[your state] bar association," look him up in the lawyer directory to verify he's a registered, current member of the bar, and then gently caress him up.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

Thanatosian posted:

If the arbitrator is threatening to have people beat you up, file a bar complaint against the motherfucker. Google "[your state] bar association," look him up in the lawyer directory to verify he's a registered, current member of the bar, and then gently caress him up.

Yeah, agreed. Just bundle up all the emails you have from him and send them to attorney complaints for your state.along with a cover "hey, this dude is improperly threatening violence."

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Be careful with these recommendations as they could lead to more headaches for goon poster

owlhawk911
Nov 8, 2019

come chill with me, in byob

buy a gun

VanSandman
Feb 16, 2011
SWAP.AVI EXCHANGER

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Yeah, agreed. Just bundle up all the emails you have from him and send them to attorney complaints for your state.along with a cover "hey, this dude is improperly threatening violence."

Is there a way to properly threaten violence?

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

For no reason I’m thinking about a defamation lawsuit

Guy Axlerod
Dec 29, 2008

euphronius posted:

Be careful with these recommendations as they could lead to more headaches for goon poster

Yeah, does your doppleganger even know you actually are at this point? He has your name, but apparently it's common enough that he has it too. Unless you are the only two with the name somehow.

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

VanSandman posted:

Is there a way to properly threaten violence?

"If you don't stop pointing that gun at me, Im a-gonna have to take steps"

MadDogMike
Apr 9, 2008

Cute but fanged

VanSandman posted:

Is there a way to properly threaten violence?

If we're talking "legally" as opposed to "more effectively", be a cop seems to be the answer there.

Devor
Nov 30, 2004
Lurking more.

blarzgh posted:

To be clear, this is a joke, isn't it?

Yes, it is a joke about the subtext of the site's target demo

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

Anonymous Zebra posted:

Haha, it's late at night and my decision making is pretty bad right now, so I probably would if I still had them, but that was easily 6 years ago and I usually delete my doppelganger emails after awhile because it feels kind of scummy to keep them around when they contain personal information. Those particular emails (there were only really 5) also easily led to the two people's real identification in the company they worked for and the dude's Facebook, which was public, so I really felt scummy even knowing that much and deleted them after showing them to my wife so she wouldn't randomly look at my email and misinterpret emails coming from a woman using my first name talking about how to gently caress around on the next business trip.

Welp, no legal advice for you.

Skunkduster
Jul 15, 2005




I have a common first and last name. So common, that there used to be an old guy with the same name that lived two blocks away on the same street as me. I got a call from his wife one day saying that a package for me had been delivered to their house so I walked over to get it. I spent almost an hour standing in her living room while she addressed "thank you for attending my brother in law's funeral" cards (I think that's what she was doing) to a bunch of people while she told me how she knew the people and provided uninteresting personal anecdotes about each of them. Her husband was napping the whole time, so I never actually got to meet him. I wouldn't have stuck around so long, but she seemed like she was very lonely and I didn't want to be rude. She just invited me in and started talking about all this funeral stuff and didn't actually get my package for me until she was done. This qualifies for the legal thread because I used the word "law".

VanSandman
Feb 16, 2011
SWAP.AVI EXCHANGER

SkunkDuster posted:

I have a common first and last name. So common, that there used to be an old guy with the same name that lived two blocks away on the same street as me. I got a call from his wife one day saying that a package for me had been delivered to their house so I walked over to get it. I spent almost an hour standing in her living room while she addressed "thank you for attending my brother in law's funeral" cards (I think that's what she was doing) to a bunch of people while she told me how she knew the people and provided uninteresting personal anecdotes about each of them. Her husband was napping the whole time, so I never actually got to meet him. I wouldn't have stuck around so long, but she seemed like she was very lonely and I didn't want to be rude. She just invited me in and started talking about all this funeral stuff and didn't actually get my package for me until she was done. This qualifies for the legal thread because I used the word "law".

gently caress I read the whole thing. I guess you're my client now.

some_admin
Oct 11, 2011

Grimey Drawer
Mediation scheduled for Tuesday 22nd, our counsel yesterday (16th) just asking us for discovery stuff.
Is this reasonable? Seems hasty/rushed to me.
(Civil, water stuff, construction trespass)

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.

some_admin posted:

Mediation scheduled for Tuesday 22nd, our counsel yesterday (16th) just asking us for discovery stuff.
Is this reasonable? Seems hasty/rushed to me.
(Civil, water stuff, construction trespass)

It's very likely they just got the request. Mediation doesn't always happen after the end of the discovery period, so you may get such requests frequently. Please promptly provide your attorney with what they have asked for.

Arcturas
Mar 30, 2011

some_admin posted:

Mediation scheduled for Tuesday 22nd, our counsel yesterday (16th) just asking us for discovery stuff.
Is this reasonable? Seems hasty/rushed to me.
(Civil, water stuff, construction trespass)

Your lawyer wants info from you more than a day in advance? Seems like she's bored. I'd probably procrastinate another few days and blow up your phone the day before.

(This is totally reasonable. Unless what she wants will take you too much time to get together, in which case just talk to her.)

If it's opposing counsel? Could be a different scenario, depends.

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:
On the off chance noone has seen it I highly recommend reading Gaj's posts in the boomer thread. It's incredible to the point of fantasy that this family produced Gaj, a seemingly right headed human being.

VanSandman
Feb 16, 2011
SWAP.AVI EXCHANGER

Outrail posted:

On the off chance noone has seen it I highly recommend reading Gaj's posts in the boomer thread. It's incredible to the point of fantasy that this family produced Gaj, a seemingly right headed human being.

Got a link handy?

blarzgh
Apr 14, 2009

SNITCHIN' RANDY
Grimey Drawer

Devor posted:

Yes, it is a joke about the subtext of the site's target demo

Ok; it was so close to possibly being true that I wanted to know, but didn't want that in my search history, lol

toplitzin
Jun 13, 2003


VanSandman posted:

Got a link handy?

I'm billing this as legal research.

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3886674&userid=96281

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time

blarzgh posted:

Ok; it was so close to possibly being true that I wanted to know, but didn't want that in my search history, lol

What I find hilarious about FarmersOnly is that there are basically 2 kinds of farmers that are actually working the land.

The first kind have large operations and are the landed gentry of any agricultural community. They draw a lot of water and have money and influence in local society and politics.

The second kind are barely scraping by and probably also need to have a job off-farm because the size of their spread doesn't support modern agricultural practices.

Someone signing up to that site trying to snag themselves a farmer is hoping for the former, but I can pretty much guarantee that only the latter exists on that app/website.

VanSandman
Feb 16, 2011
SWAP.AVI EXCHANGER

C/o Deez Nutz
100 My Taint Lane
Sackville, NJ

toplitzin
Jun 13, 2003


VanSandman posted:

C/o Deez Nutz
100 My Taint Lane
Sackville, NJ

I'm just going to take it out of your retainer.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

Another pod-related question I asked in the insurance thread but may be more appropriate here: assume an indoor in-person pod operating in NYC has the kids and caregiver get COVID-19 around the same time. Generally speaking, is it completely implausible that one of the parents or caregiver could successfully sue the pod organizers and/or homeowner where the pod operated for negligence leading to the infection? It doesn't seem implausible to me, but people have strong opinions about this and consequently the necessity of having liability insurance that covers infectious disease. It's fair to assume that the pod would in fact be operated negligently, because the type of person organizing an in-person indoor pod right now probably isn't the type to follow CDC guidelines.

blarzgh
Apr 14, 2009

SNITCHIN' RANDY
Grimey Drawer

Nocturtle posted:

Another pod-related question I asked in the insurance thread but may be more appropriate here: assume an indoor in-person pod operating in NYC has the kids and caregiver get COVID-19 around the same time. Generally speaking, is it completely implausible that one of the parents or caregiver could successfully sue the pod organizers and/or homeowner where the pod operated for negligence leading to the infection? It doesn't seem implausible to me, but people have strong opinions about this and consequently the necessity of having liability insurance that covers infectious disease. It's fair to assume that the pod would in fact be operated negligently, because the type of person organizing an in-person indoor pod right now probably isn't the type to follow CDC guidelines.

No one here could ethically answer this question.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

blarzgh posted:

No one here could ethically answer this question.

Sorry! Thought it was fairly general. Anyway there might be lots of interesting legal drama coming up from all the pandemic pods people are trying to set up.

blarzgh
Apr 14, 2009

SNITCHIN' RANDY
Grimey Drawer

Nocturtle posted:

Sorry! Thought it was fairly general. Anyway there might be lots of interesting legal drama coming up from all the pandemic pods people are trying to set up.

No problem, and yes, lots of legal precedent is going to be set, and more is going to be challenged in the coming months and years.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007


Thank you this was quite a ride.

therobit posted:

What I find hilarious about FarmersOnly is that there are basically 2 kinds of farmers that are actually working the land.

There is a third kind. They drive F150s, live in the suburbs of any city in Texas or Arkansas or Tennessee, have a lawn tractor to mow their 0.37 acres, and are in no way "farmers" in any real sense of the word, but they feel deep down inside that they are farmers.

e. I did see you wrote "that are actually working the land" but the point here is that it's not land-workers signing up on farmers-only.com.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time

Leperflesh posted:

Thank you this was quite a ride.


There is a third kind. They drive F150s, live in the suburbs of any city in Texas or Arkansas or Tennessee, have a lawn tractor to mow their 0.37 acres, and are in no way "farmers" in any real sense of the word, but they feel deep down inside that they are farmers.

e. I did see you wrote "that are actually working the land" but the point here is that it's not land-workers signing up on farmers-only.com.

But I thought it was for farmers ONLY!? This is very troubling.

Anonymous Zebra
Oct 21, 2005
Blending in like it ain't no thang
I don't know how legally binding it is, but when we entered our daughters into their pods here we had to initial and sign a whole pile of paperwork where they laid out what the classes would be like, how they were keeping the kids distanced, how shared spaces worked, the punishments for not abiding by the rules, the expectations of the kids, parents and families in how they were to act outside of the pods, etc., etc. And then at the very bottom was a paragraph that basically said, "We're going to do our best, but you still could catch the rona, so please be aware of that risk."

I really feel like it would be hard to convince a judge or jury that parents didn't know what they were getting into after signing all of that, but who knows.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Anonymous Zebra posted:

I don't know how legally binding it is, but when we entered our daughters into their pods here we had to initial and sign a whole pile of paperwork where they laid out what the classes would be like, how they were keeping the kids distanced, how shared spaces worked, the punishments for not abiding by the rules, the expectations of the kids, parents and families in how they were to act outside of the pods, etc., etc. And then at the very bottom was a paragraph that basically said, "We're going to do our best, but you still could catch the rona, so please be aware of that risk."

I really feel like it would be hard to convince a judge or jury that parents didn't know what they were getting into after signing all of that, but who knows.

The easiest answer would be to take the forms to a lawyer and ask.

I would be extremely surprised if the pod people (lol) had a legal firm draft the agreements as this all sounds like a bunch of rich people just trying to find a way to throw money at the problem of remote schooling so they don't have to deal with their own kids.

Thuryl
Mar 14, 2007

My postillion has been struck by lightning.

Nocturtle posted:

Another pod-related question I asked in the insurance thread but may be more appropriate here: assume an indoor in-person pod operating in NYC has the kids and caregiver get COVID-19 around the same time. Generally speaking, is it completely implausible that one of the parents or caregiver could successfully sue the pod organizers and/or homeowner where the pod operated for negligence leading to the infection? It doesn't seem implausible to me, but people have strong opinions about this and consequently the necessity of having liability insurance that covers infectious disease. It's fair to assume that the pod would in fact be operated negligently, because the type of person organizing an in-person indoor pod right now probably isn't the type to follow CDC guidelines.

Without trying to give a legal answer, think about it this way: if liability insurers are asking for a meaningful amount of money, that means they think there's a meaningful risk of litigation.

blarzgh
Apr 14, 2009

SNITCHIN' RANDY
Grimey Drawer
POD PEOPLE

AlbieQuirky
Oct 9, 2012

Just me and my 🌊dragon🐉 hanging out

Thuryl posted:

Without trying to give a legal answer, think about it this way: if liability insurers are asking for a meaningful amount of money, that means they think there's a meaningful risk of litigation.

This is a super good point. Insurers will gleefully undercut each other on price in order to build market share, so high prices generally point to risks being considered high.

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

Thuryl posted:

Without trying to give a legal answer, think about it this way: if liability insurers are asking for a meaningful amount of money, that means they think there's a meaningful risk of litigation.

Yes, this is a helpful point thanks. It's increasingly difficult to find liability insurance policies without viral disease exclusions, which says a lot already.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Nocturtle posted:

Yes, this is a helpful point thanks. It's increasingly difficult to find liability insurance policies without viral disease exclusions, which says a lot already.

That's actually a matter of correlated risk. Insurance companies do well when risk under their policies is independent. Take house fires, for example: in the modern age fires don't really spread from house to house, so every house fire is an independent risk. If a house has about a 1% chance of burning down every year (this is obviously much higher than reality), you hold hold reserves of something like 2% of the value of all the houses you insure to cover a bad year. Because losses are uncorrelated, every year you'll have losses around 1%. You have to charge at least 1% of the house value each year in premiums, charge a little extra for the cost of the reserves capital you're holding, but that's not very much. So you're talking about a break-even rate of like 1.01% or something like that.

However, some risks are highly correlated. Take, say, business interruption from a pandemic. In approximately 99 years out of 100, you will pay out nothing on your policies - it's been about 100 years since the last global pandemic. But in that one bad year, you will pay out the full amount of your insurance policies because if one company is getting shut down because of a pandemic, guess what's happening to their neighbor, and their neighbor, and their neighbor.

So you need to hold reserves, every year, of the full amount of your policies. That is horrifically expensive. It just doesn't really work for insurance because insurance is about combining uncorrelated risks so that a loss that wipes out an insured (and would have devastating effects on them) is completely minor for the insurance company. So the insurance company can charge a small premium over the actual risk, and the insured is happy to pay a small premium over the actual risk because the knock-on effects of, say, losing everything you own is a lot greater than the cost of just replacing everything you own (you're homeless, you have no business clothes, you lose your job, etc).

But for a global risk like a pandemic, the loss is no longer minor for an insurer - if the loss hits, they get wiped out. Insurance companies realized this risk with SARS/MERS and started writing those viral exclusions - not because they knew COVID was coming, but because they recognized if a COVID did come it would wipe out their companies.

Hoshi
Jan 20, 2013

:wrongcity:

evilweasel posted:

That's actually a matter of correlated risk. Insurance companies do well when risk under their policies is independent. Take house fires, for example: in the modern age fires don't really spread from house to house, so every house fire is an independent risk. If a house has about a 1% chance of burning down every year (this is obviously much higher than reality), you hold hold reserves of something like 2% of the value of all the houses you insure to cover a bad year. Because losses are uncorrelated, every year you'll have losses around 1%. You have to charge at least 1% of the house value each year in premiums, charge a little extra for the cost of the reserves capital you're holding, but that's not very much. So you're talking about a break-even rate of like 1.01% or something like that.

However, some risks are highly correlated. Take, say, business interruption from a pandemic. In approximately 99 years out of 100, you will pay out nothing on your policies - it's been about 100 years since the last global pandemic. But in that one bad year, you will pay out the full amount of your insurance policies because if one company is getting shut down because of a pandemic, guess what's happening to their neighbor, and their neighbor, and their neighbor.

So you need to hold reserves, every year, of the full amount of your policies. That is horrifically expensive. It just doesn't really work for insurance because insurance is about combining uncorrelated risks so that a loss that wipes out an insured (and would have devastating effects on them) is completely minor for the insurance company. So the insurance company can charge a small premium over the actual risk, and the insured is happy to pay a small premium over the actual risk because the knock-on effects of, say, losing everything you own is a lot greater than the cost of just replacing everything you own (you're homeless, you have no business clothes, you lose your job, etc).

But for a global risk like a pandemic, the loss is no longer minor for an insurer - if the loss hits, they get wiped out. Insurance companies realized this risk with SARS/MERS and started writing those viral exclusions - not because they knew COVID was coming, but because they recognized if a COVID did come it would wipe out their companies.

A great example of how insurance companies handle these correlated large tail risks is the national flood insurance program

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Hoshi
Jan 20, 2013

:wrongcity:
Which is to say, the govt does it lmao

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