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Captain Splendid posted:Cromwell basically ruled as a king and was a fantastically dreadful person. There was still a lot of popular support for overthrowing the monarchy in the mid-1700s but it never coalesced into a united movement like in France. After the French Revolution groups like the United Irishmen and their counterparts the United Englishmen were calling for the UK to be broken into independent republics. The ruling classes in the UK collectively shat themselves after seeing what happened in France and went all-out on suppressing the masses. Key figures from the movement were rounded up and charged with sedition, then executed or deported to the colonies. The poor got hosed over through various means, which took a loose concept of class and reinforced it mercilessly, to the point that it's still part of the culture over 200 years later.
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A story in 2 tweets https://twitter.com/jrc1921/status/1306514684238061569?s=19
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Sep 17, 2020 10:47
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christ, starmer is such a useless piece of poo poo
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Sep 17, 2020 11:16
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Just replace him with a sign that says 'mild dissent on methods but agreement on goals' and we'd save lots of money per year on his salary for the same result
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Sep 17, 2020 11:52
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Sep 17, 2020 12:19
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intractable crushing neoliberalism as an inertial force of history aside, you gotta wonder if having a northeastern irish catholic in the white house is gonna influence the next couple years of transatlantic relations
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Jose posted:A story in 2 tweets Eh, Starmer's line has always been that he wants children to return to school when it is safe, and that a proper test and trace system is required for that - which the government has been unable to deliver. He's basically said "I want our children back at school and it is your responsibility to ensure that it is safe to do so." There is no contradiction between him telling the govt that children need to be back in school, and that it needs to sort out testing. They are two sides of the same coin. quote:The Prime Minister wrote in this paper last weekend that we have a moral duty to reopen schools. I agree. What he does not seem to understand is that he has a moral responsibility to make sure it happens... It was obvious the day schools were shut in March what the problems would be and what the solutions needed to be. The Government needed a plan and the Prime Minister needed to take responsibility to make sure that plan was implemented. Ugh, you made me read a Daily Mail piece for that.
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i say swears online posted:intractable crushing neoliberalism as an inertial force of history aside, you gotta wonder if having a northeastern irish catholic in the white house is gonna influence the next couple years of transatlantic relations You're an optimist I see
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therattle posted:Eh, Starmer's line has always been that he wants children to return to school when it is safe, and that a proper test and trace system is required for that - which the government has been unable to deliver. He's basically said "I want our children back at school and it is your responsibility to ensure that it is safe to do so." There is no contradiction between him telling the govt that children need to be back in school, and that it needs to sort out testing. They are two sides of the same coin. But he does know its not safe right? At best he's too stupid and trusting to realise, but at worst he's basically just scoring points over dead bodies. Telling the gov that it's their responsibility to make things safe and kids should go to school now when manifestly our government can't keep them safe. But allowing harm to come to people to maintain the kayfabe of a functioning government has been his whole career I suppose
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i say swears online posted:intractable crushing neoliberalism as an inertial force of history aside, you gotta wonder if having a northeastern irish catholic in the white house is gonna influence the next couple years of transatlantic relations we may never know
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posting from the heil hitler page, may all fascists follow their leader
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Communist Thoughts posted:But he does know its not safe right? It's never going to be 100% safe. It can be made safer with test & trace etc. At some point children have to go back to school even though there is some risk. (I sent mine back this morning). It's the government's job to make it safer. If they can't do that properly, what should Starmer say? You've hosed this up so keep schools closed? That would play well to voters. Or, kids need to go back, make it safer? It's not like he was saying anything new in that article - which was written on August 15th, about 3 weeks before children were scheduled to go back to school. How is it in his interests to maintain the kayfabe that this is a functional government, and where has he done that? He's consistently pointed out government cock-ups. He makes Johnson squirm in a way that Corbyn never could. I get that people are bitter that Corbyn is out and that the centre/right of the party has taken control (not that this is reflected in much policy yet), but I don't get how that extends to Starmer being a stooge, in league with the government, a closet Tory, an MI5 asset, etc. Just seen this, BTW. Icky. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/sep/17/tom-watson-job-adviser-paddy-power-betfair-gambling-former-labour-mp therattle has issued a correction as of 17:35 on Sep 17, 2020 |
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Breakfast All Day posted:i was wading through the twitter hole that took me down last night and found some monarchist trad cath who thinks the us should return to uk rule but as a catholic theo-monarchy under the queen, but also that the church of england should have theocratic rule in england and supervision over the catholic church. his argument for this was that the united states was a fundamentally catholic nation. Ah you've discovered Administrative Conference of the United States appointee Adrian Vermeule I see
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starmer manufactured an antisemitism case to purge the last big leftie from the front bench because she was too insistent on the union position of safety first starmer's posture on the issue was consistently pushing to open'er up, if he's nuanced the position a few paragraphs in it's not at all relevant next to going to the mail and giving an interview they are obviously going to frame as leverage for opening schools
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Sep 17, 2020 17:41
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also starmer is a senior member of the trilateral commission, an actual cold war intelligence operation, this poo poo isn't even hidden
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Sep 17, 2020 17:43
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therattle posted:It's never going to be 100% safe. It can be made safer with test & trace etc. At some point children have to go back to school even though there is some risk. (I sent mine back this morning). It's the government's job to make it safer. If they can't do that properly, what should Starmer say? You've hosed this up so keep schools closed? That would play well to voters. Or, kids need to go back, make it safer? Because he was calling for schools to be unconditionally reopened whether it was safe to or not. The responsible position would have been to focus primarily on the test and trace infrastructure and call for normal services to assume as they're safe too rather than the econony-before-lives rhetoric to 'get Britain working whether it was age or not
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V. Illych L. posted:
That's fair enough. The article isn't great, and he probably shouldn't have written it, not least for the DM (although I understand the electoral calculation). The point about the two headlines not being inconsistent still stand. multijoe posted:Because he was calling for schools to be unconditionally reopened whether it was safe to or not. The responsible position would have been to focus primarily on the test and trace infrastructure and call for normal services to assume as they're safe too rather than the econony-before-lives rhetoric to 'get Britain working whether it was age or not Although he wasn't actually calling for schools to be unconditionally opened - the nuance has always been "make it safe for schools to be open". But as Lenin says, that nuance is probably lost in an article like that and certainly does not appear in the headline. V. Illych L. posted:also starmer is a senior member of the trilateral commission, an actual cold war intelligence operation, this poo poo isn't even hidden I'd never heard of it. It's not clear how much of an intelligence op it is, but it seems to have ties, and it is packed with neo-libs and neo-cons, so not a good look regardless.
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therattle posted:That's fair enough. The article isn't great, and he probably shouldn't have written it, not least for the DM (although I understand the electoral calculation). The point about the two headlines not being inconsistent still stand. it was founded by zbignew brezinski, the guy who is only not known as a brutal cold warrior because kissinger was somehow even worse even if it's not directly funded and operated by the CIA and MI5, it's a part of the same US antisocialist network in which those organisations are central. it's extremely alarming that the leader of the labour party is a part of this political complex
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V. Illych L. posted:it was founded by zbignew brezinski, the guy who is only not known as a brutal cold warrior because kissinger was somehow even worse Yeah, I looked through most of the member list and it’s a horrid show.
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Joe Biden is going to get the Noble Peace Prize in 2022 for uniting Ireland. PM Rees-Mogg is going to let go of Northern Ireland in order to Get Brexit Done.
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Breakfast All Day posted:i was wading through the twitter hole that took me down last night and found some monarchist trad cath who thinks the us should return to uk rule but as a catholic theo-monarchy under the queen, but also that the church of england should have theocratic rule in england and supervision over the catholic church. his argument for this was that the united states was a fundamentally catholic nation. ah yes, England. longtime friend of catholics, kings, and catholic kings.
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My starmer is a spook theory is just a fan theory really but there is a lot of circumstantial evidence for it and it's always mounting. His job being a bagholder for state power and violence isn't a conspiracy though that's what his legit career was. He's the safest pair of hands the establishment can imagine. I think I'm going to advance into pure psychosis though and really get into the fact that the NGO that runs labour's internal elections was privatised by civitas in 2018.
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Jose posted:https://twitter.com/ScottBentonMP/status/1306627419311427584?s=20 I will never reveal the Brexit secret! Never!
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Sep 17, 2020 23:10
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weren't the Tories planning a US trade deal as the main goal after Brexit.
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Atrocious Joe posted:weren't the Tories planning a US trade deal as the main goal after Brexit. their main goal has always been to stop the person currently asking the question to not ask them any more questions
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Atrocious Joe posted:Joe Biden is going to get the Noble Peace Prize in 2022 for uniting Ireland. PM Rees-Mogg is going to
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Atrocious Joe posted:Joe Biden is going to get the Noble Peace Prize in 2022 for uniting Ireland. PM Rees-Mogg is going to let go of Northern Ireland in order to Get Brexit Done. joe biden is going to win the nobel peace prize in 2021 for not being trump, just like obama did for not being bush the peace prize is second only to the economics prize in being a stupid bullshit piece of poo poo propaganda tool
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Sep 17, 2020 23:56
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being anti-british is the first positive thing i've heard about biden in this whole election
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Biden isn't anti-British, he's just repeating the US ruling class line that Good Friday Agreement shouldn't be torn up. which is one of the few reasonable positions of US foreign policy
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I wonder if the brits could have done anything about all these irish sympathizers in the US. why are there so many??? weird
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you just don't "get" Brexit
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redleader posted:joe biden is going to win the nobel peace prize in 2021 for not being trump, just like obama did for not being bush I mean, as long as it owns the libs.
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Does trump know that Bill Clinton was instrumental in the Good Friday Agreement? I am guessing from rhetoric the answer is 'no'
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CactusWeasle posted:Does trump know that Bill Clinton was instrumental in the Good Friday Agreement? I am guessing from rhetoric the answer is 'no' Let’s hope he never finds out!
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Atrocious Joe posted:Joe Biden is going to get the Noble Peace Prize in 2022 for uniting Ireland. PM Rees-Mogg is going to let go of Northern Ireland in order to Get Brexit Done. One more group of people freed from the Monarch's dread grasp.
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Boris is miserable lol https://twitter.com/sarahvanpelt/status/1307218036588503043?s=19
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Jose posted:Boris is miserable lol This is posted in the Schadenfreude thread a lot: https://twitter.com/screaminbutcalm/status/1105577845642878976?s=21
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He's 10 years younger than my parents??? Holy poo poo bojo looks like total poo poo
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