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If you’re interpreting Idiocracy as “advocating for eugenics” you have terminal doomer brain and should go lie down in a cool, dark place until your brain reverts to factory settings.
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Bust Rodd posted:If you’re interpreting Idiocracy as “advocating for eugenics” you have terminal doomer brain and should go lie down in a cool, dark place until your brain reverts to factory settings. to bust, perchance to rodd
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Sep 18, 2020 18:45
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Halloween Jack posted:It's the opening scene of the loving movie, quit whining about it 
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Sep 18, 2020 18:46
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its not intentionally advocating eugenics its just a lazy premise that everyones intelligence goes down because smart people put off having kids or have less kids, while dumb people have huge families. i guess as a setup to a comedy movie it doesn’t matter that much but i don’t think it’s well written either, which sucks because mike judge is usually great
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Sep 18, 2020 18:47
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the first five minutes are explicitly about the decline of civilization being brought about due to low-iq people breeding. mike judge has dumb rear end libertarian politics so i'm not sure why that interpretation is controversial. it's ok to admit that media you enjoyed had problematic elements.
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Sep 18, 2020 18:50
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America as a nation can only become smarter, see, we already are paralyzed by our own genius
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Sep 18, 2020 18:50
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Bust Rodd posted:If you’re interpreting Idiocracy as “advocating for eugenics” you have terminal doomer brain and should go lie down in a cool, dark place until your brain reverts to factory settings. If the theme of Idiocracy isn't "being outbred by poor dullards brought about the downfall of society" then the intro isn't doing the film any favors.
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Sep 18, 2020 18:53
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Starbucks pivoting to only selling handjobs is very funny.
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Sep 18, 2020 18:54
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the film would have been better if luke wilson was transported forward in time and america is incredibly dumb just because that’s how everything is trending. the “dumb people outbreeding smart people” aspect is unnecessary and weakens the film overall
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Sep 18, 2020 18:57
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I personally can't wait for Betsy Devos' restructuring of American education to really start paying dividends. In addition to abstinence-only sex education, climate change denial and faith-based alternatives to evolution that were already being taught in schools, we are poised for a new century of genius as the quality of public education is intentionally made worse at the expense of funding private charter schools. It would be problematic to suggest this is negative, avoidable, being done by design, or bears any resemblance to an existing work of exaggerated media/satire. There is no eugenics component to the current intentional dumbing down of America because as always, America is so exceptionally good at immiserating people that it requires no assistance beyond operating business as usual Harold Stassen fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Sep 18, 2020 |
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Sep 18, 2020 19:00
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THS posted:its not intentionally advocating eugenics its just a lazy premise that everyones intelligence goes down because smart people put off having kids or have less kids, while dumb people have huge families.
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Sep 18, 2020 19:04
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COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:I personally can't wait for Betsy Devos' restructuring of American education to really start paying dividends. In addition to abstinence-only sex education, climate change denial and faith-based alternatives to evolution that were already being taught in schools, we are poised for a new century of genius as the quality of public education is intentionally made worse at the expense of funding private charter schools. It would be problematic to suggest this is negative, avoidable, being done by design, or bears any resemblance to an existing work of exaggerated media/satire. ok yes if that were the premise of the film i agree it’d be way stronger. i want you to rewatch this intro and note the IQ scores and the parts about how many kids people are having, which is most of the intro, and tell me what you think the premise is. because it’s not what you just typed out. maybe you forgot, i hadn’t seen the film in awhile either. this is less than a five minute watch, go for it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP2tUW0HDHA
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Sep 18, 2020 19:06
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THS posted:its not intentionally advocating eugenics its just a lazy premise that everyones intelligence goes down because smart people put off having kids or have less kids, while dumb people have huge families. i guess as a setup to a comedy movie it doesn’t matter that much but i don’t think it’s well written either, which sucks because mike judge is usually great Yeah a movie about how everyone else is dumber than you being nothing but the dumbest dick and fart jokes and forced catchphrases and epic bacon political satire is an incredible self-own to everyone who decided an unironic Alex Jones supporter was the philosopher king of our era. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FD_4dy9d5E&t=51s The Bush era produced metric tons of terrible political satire and the only real value to come out of most of it was getting an early glimpse at how many peoples politics were driven almost entirely by dislike of and opposition to the aesthetics of the poor and lower class rather than any actual interest in improving the world.
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Sep 18, 2020 19:11
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Mike Judge is a neat character because he really understands American culture while still being a perfect example of an American himself. Like, it's hard to believe the same guy who made King of the Hill did Silicon Valley and Idiocracy, but he's got that ideological incoherence in a way that makes his output all over the place, even within the same movie. Also yeah it's fine to enjoy media with problematic parts as long as you remain critical of them. Hell, if you wanted to quit consuming media made by pedophiles, you'd have to basically quit watching movies.
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Sep 18, 2020 19:16
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Pharmaskittle posted:Mike Judge is a neat character because he really understands American culture while still being a perfect example of an American himself. Like, it's hard to believe the same guy who made King of the Hill did Silicon Valley and Idiocracy, but he's got that ideological incoherence in a way that makes his output all over the place, even within the same movie. he also made office space, which is one of the greatest comedies ever made that also has sort of a post-coming of age feeling element to it
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Sep 18, 2020 19:50
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Sleeveless posted:The Bush era produced metric tons of terrible political satire and the only real value to come out of most of it was getting an early glimpse at how many peoples politics were driven almost entirely by dislike of and opposition to the aesthetics of the poor and lower class rather than any actual interest in improving the world. the irony of that is it was a bunch of their fellow upper middle class and rich shitheads adopting what they thought were working class aesthetics that libs were so mad at. it's minstrelsy all the way down the actual poor as always were completely shut out of politics
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Sep 18, 2020 19:56
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Yeah I mean this word has basically become meaningless in the creative world but i would consider Mike Judge a "Comedic Genius", if only because for one man to have been so instrumental in so many cultural comedic touchstones is just totally fuckin' nuts.
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Sep 18, 2020 20:11
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lmao straight up James O'Keefe idiocy https://twitter.com/schwarz/status/1307035385076342787?s=20
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Sep 18, 2020 20:37
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mike judge being a libertarian crank isn't some sort of secret 
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Idiocracy isn't "advocating eugenics" in the sense that it's not presenting the argument that we should sterilize or otherwise restrict the dumb from breeding, but it does posit that society as a whole suffers because of the trend of the unfit outbreeding the fit. Its premise rests pretty squarely within the sort of folk understanding of trends in intelligence (i.e. that intelligence is primarily heritable, and that dumber people tend to have more children, since class analysis is entirely absent from the movie) One of the reasons it's possible to enjoy the movie is because it doesn't explicitly advocate a eugenic position and lays the blame squarely on the habits of the intelligent families who put their careers ahead of childrearing and have too few children too late in their life if at all. The dumbasses of the future are all lovably dumb and basically nobody in the movie is actively malicious. The villain is the vague forces of lowest-common-denominator capitalism that seem to continue to function in spite of society's downfall rather than because of it - who owns and manages the company that makes and supplies Brawndo? Who builds and develops these huge flatscreen TVs running 9 porn channels at the same time? Those people clearly exist in the world, and anyone who could build and design a flatscreen TV is probably objectively smarter than Joe, but again, this movie doesn't have a class analysis, it abstracts the issues into vague notions of heritable genetic ability and aesthetic preference, and an impossible capitalism that is sustained entirely by its consumer element, since everyone in the world is too dumb to produce anything. The fact that the world is simultaneously filled with ripped American Gladiators personas and also has almost no food is ripe for a class analysis, but the movie just doesn't do that. What I'm saying is, Idiocracy is the greatest documenta
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Sep 18, 2020 23:00
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sometimes it feels like we’re living through it
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Sep 18, 2020 23:05
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everythingWasBees posted:does anybody have a actual answer for why he looks so moist nowadays it's like kind of disturbing Booze and drugs have been known to make people pretty sweaty. Either that or adult onset hyperhydrosis, who knows
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Heath posted:Idiocracy isn't "advocating eugenics" in the sense that it's not presenting the argument that we should sterilize or otherwise restrict the dumb from breeding, but it does posit that society as a whole suffers because of the trend of the unfit outbreeding the fit. Its premise rests pretty squarely within the sort of folk understanding of trends in intelligence (i.e. that intelligence is primarily heritable, and that dumber people tend to have more children, since class analysis is entirely absent from the movie) Yeah that's still eugenics my dude. Eugenics isn't a policy, it's the overall belief that humanity can be improved through selective breeding. Preventing the "unfit" from breeding is only one eugenics-based policy, encouraging the "fit" to breed is another.
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Sep 18, 2020 23:19
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Heath posted:What I'm saying is, Idiocracy is the greatest documenta If you filmed a new opening five minutes about how automation allowed major companies to pursue innovation/manufacturing with increasingly less human input the rest of the movie could go unchanged and you'd solve a lot of the film's problems.
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Sep 18, 2020 23:20
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Gripweed posted:Yeah that's still eugenics my dude. Eugenics isn't a policy, it's the overall belief that humanity can be improved through selective breeding. Preventing the "unfit" from breeding is only one eugenics-based policy, encouraging the "fit" to breed is another. Thanks for understanding the thing I said
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Sep 18, 2020 23:20
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just listening to an episode and theyre talking about taxes and for some reason one of the hosts started calling muslims "sand *******" and im completely baffled. why is this show raking in so much patreon money from self described "leftists"?
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Sep 18, 2020 23:22
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everythingWasBees posted:does anybody have a actual answer for why he looks so moist nowadays it's like kind of disturbing he's old, fat, and puts zero effort in even basic keeping in shape, so just the labor of walking up a ramp and standing is taxing.
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Sep 18, 2020 23:24
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ArfJason posted:just listening to an episode and theyre talking about taxes and for some reason one of the hosts started calling muslims "sand *******" and im completely baffled. why is this show raking in so much patreon money from self described "leftists"? Stop listening to O&A.
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Sep 18, 2020 23:24
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sexpig by night posted:he's old, fat, and puts zero effort in even basic keeping in shape, so just the labor of walking up a ramp and standing is taxing. Dang don’t be so rude to Virgil
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Sep 18, 2020 23:27
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El Burbo posted:Dang don’t be so rude to Virgil Virgil drinks lots of water and vapes which is basically water and water is good for you. That's staying in shape
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Sep 18, 2020 23:41
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Mike Judge is one of the few people with lovely political opinions that I put up with purely because his work is so loving good in spite of that https://youtu.be/rd_rty0ovgQ
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Sep 18, 2020 23:42
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resident Hotlanta goon here (the film was actually shot here 
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Sep 18, 2020 23:54
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the liberal arts were a mistake if it keeps giving us a bunch of joyless overeducated scolds who have nothing to do but post online all day about how every piece of media has problematic elements and therefore you're just not allowed to enjoy comedy
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Sep 18, 2020 23:57
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I won't lie I got scared for a moment and thought the college dorm idiots they were referring to was Georgia States (which is located right at the site of the bombing).
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So Matt was talking on him stream about AI algorithms taking over the world again, but hasn't it been shown that machine learning algorithms were just Silicon Valley voodoo talk used to sell worthless ads and in actuality are pretty terrible at actually modeling something insanely complicated as human behavior patterns? Maybe machine learning has gotten way better than when I was reading about it, but I've seen a lot of algorithm talk recently and going down that path seems like a step below Alex Jones mastermind pedophile computers level.
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Sep 19, 2020 00:12
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Zyklon B Zombie posted:So Matt was talking on him stream about AI algorithms taking over the world again, but hasn't it been shown that machine learning algorithms were just Silicon Valley voodoo talk used to sell worthless ads and in actuality are pretty terrible at actually modeling something insanely complicated as human behavior patterns? You are correct.
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Sep 19, 2020 00:13
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Shipon posted:the liberal arts were a mistake if it keeps giving us a bunch of joyless overeducated scolds who have nothing to do but post online all day about how every piece of media has problematic elements and therefore you're just not allowed to enjoy comedy was anyone saying that you cant enjoy idiocracy lol. like at all? my only problem was someone denying that the weird intelligence / breeding aspect aspect of the movie existed at all. loving enjoy whatever the gently caress you want. office space is one of the best comedies ever. i just dont think idiocracy is well written, and that’s not a critique of the politics or whatever. my favorite movie is dune which is objectively trash, weirdly homophobic, and completely disavowed by the director. chill. live mas
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Sep 19, 2020 00:17
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Groovelord Neato posted:You are correct. Is there some evidence or scholarly explanation of this phenomenon or are we just deferring to half-baked goon wisdom again because this is something I'd like to read about
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Zyklon B Zombie posted:So Matt was talking on him stream about AI algorithms taking over the world again, but hasn't it been shown that machine learning algorithms were just Silicon Valley voodoo talk used to sell worthless ads and in actuality are pretty terrible at actually modeling something insanely complicated as human behavior patterns? Maybe machine learning has gotten way better than when I was reading about it, but I've seen a lot of algorithm talk recently and going down that path seems like a step below Alex Jones mastermind pedophile computers level. Groovelord Neato posted:You are correct. Yeah, for laypeople and people who only tangentially work around them, Algorithms are the next step in technology that will solve problems and free up labor. For anyone that's seen what they do, they're just a way to sell another product to the rubes you used to work for. The reasonable fear is that algorithms will be used to determine whether people live or die and they already do that.
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