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Durzel posted:It sounds like you’re talking about a “Dutch auction”. pretty sure nvidia is trying to eliminate most aibs at this point, there's very little point to an aib beyond support if the 3080/90 FE coolers are good enough i don't care about paying some random company for a  aesthetic
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exquisite tea posted:600W is probably enough to get the job done if you're running at stock speeds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdohv96uGLw yep!
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Malcolm XML posted:pretty sure nvidia is trying to eliminate most aibs at this point, there's very little point to an aib beyond support https://www.igorslab.de/en/gddr6x-am-limit-ueber-100-grad-bei-der-geforce-rtx-3080-fe-im-chip-gemessen-2/  They might not be. ^^ that is the internal temp of the hottest G6X module in a FE 3080, as far as I understood the article. Igor broke out the heat camera and some secret Nvidia dev tool. In the forum he alluded that some random KFA² card he just tested hits ~20°C less.
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He says it's because the VRMs are that close to the memory module and the heatsink not dealing well with it. So I wonder, does the FE run all power phases? Because the TUF has one more phase for memory than the other AIBs, and if the load is spread across more phases, individual loads are lower and thus create less waste heat (with what being exponential to load). In turn, what does that mean for the AIBs that skimped on phases? The others appear to have left out a phase for each memory and the GPU, versus the TUF (and the FE?).
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EVGA released a firmware update for the XC3 model to allow quieter fan operation: https://forums.evga.com/EVGA-3080-XC3XC3-Ultra-Quiet-Fan-Firmware-Update-m3084561.aspx Posting this mainly because I'm surprised GPUs apparently have firmwares? Am I just way out of the loop with this or do only certain manufacturers do this?
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You're way out of the loop, there's been firmware on cards, I dunno if forever is the right word, but...
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Firmware for the most part has been a bigger deal for AMD than Nvidia in the past.
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Used to be able to flash Radeon 6950s to 6970s for free performance back in the day.
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Used to be able to flash Radeon 6950s to 6970s for free performance back in the day. And Radeon 9500 to 9700. My memory is failing me for any other free upgrades, but there probably were others vv Isn't that just a clock bump though? The 6950 to 6970 and 9500 to 9700 upgrades unlocked unused hardware. Still neat though HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Sep 20, 2020 |
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HalloKitty posted:And Radeon 9500 to 9700. My memory is failing me for any other free upgrades, but there probably were others 9800 to 9800 pro.
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Speaking of EVGA, has anyone come across data comparing it or Gigabyte to the other AIBs for noise/thermals? Similar to this article? https://www.techpowerup.com/review/palit-geforce-rtx-3080-gaming-pro-oc/31.html
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Used to be able to flash Radeon 6950s to 6970s for free performance back in the day. 5700 to 5700XT
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Used to be able to flash Radeon 6950s to 6970s for free performance back in the day. I remember flashing my radeon 9600 into a 9800. Or maybe it was 9800 into 9800 pro. Regardless I felt like I got a lot of value for my money out of that.
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axeil posted:I remember flashing my radeon 9600 into a 9800 I swear, it feels like there was just one Radeon 9000 series card and they just shipped with different settings.
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gradenko_2000 posted:5700 to 5700XT 20% more black screens per second!
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:Used to be able to flash Radeon 6950s to 6970s for free performance back in the day. drat I should have done this, but in further retrospect, it was a PowerColor card and probably would have exploded in the case
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Oh, you could flash 5200fxs to 5500fx, except if you had one of the passively cooled ones (which I think were the majority of 5200’s) odds are you’d cook the card in a hurry.
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Durzel posted:It sounds like you’re talking about a “Dutch auction”. I think I'm actually thinking of the sealed-price or blind auction. Because the buyer has no information on what other buyers are doing, there is limited strategy. A Dutch Auction, while similar in the notion that you don't really know what other bidders' preferences are, you can still choose to play chicken to try and get a price below your value of the lot. Because in a sealed price single shot you only get one bid, you need to bid your true value in price because you can't even fudge an assessment of the values of others (no reference point). You can "try" and bid over your personal value, but this idea is paradoxical: you can't actually offer to pay more than you value the object, because your willingness to pay is your value of the object. I'd say the biggest flaw would be that the rules don't account for resellers as a "second chance." If the lot is won, then relisted, and someone bids higher than the original winning bid, the auction failed to solicit the true value of the participants. At that point, you've lost the advantages of the blind action and it is functionally an English auction.
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When is the 3070 supposed to release?
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Howard Phillips posted:When is the 3070 supposed to release? October 15th.
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K8.0 posted:20% more black screens per second! Or even though that problem seems to be mostly fixed, it's still 40% more electricity and heat for 10% more frames.
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sauer kraut posted:https://www.igorslab.de/en/gddr6x-am-limit-ueber-100-grad-bei-der-geforce-rtx-3080-fe-im-chip-gemessen-2/ at what temp are the modules supposed to stay? 100 or less? Just underclock them.
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so did Jensen reveal a secret oven stuffed to the brim with 3080s for only the righteous at some point during the last 10-15 pages or are we still owned by robots
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Jayztwocents has a new video where he discusses cook groups and the 3080. He spends the first 2 minutes talking about how he's a capitalist and loves capitalism and free markets, then goes on to make an awful "No true Scotsman" argument about scalpers and cook groups.These tech influencers are so painfully out of their element when they attempt to discuss politics or stray from discussing hardware and benchmarks.
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I have no idea whether this has been posted yet, but the rumours about the 16GB 3070 and the 20GB 3080 seem to be panning out, as expected. https://videocardz.com/newz/gigabyte-confirms-geforce-rtx-3060-8gb-rtx-3070-16gb-and-rtx-3080-20gb Gigabyte screwed the pooch it seems, and left some pretty obvious references to those card models laying around 
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Jay definitely gives off a chuddy blowhard vibe. He probably pays his assistant like $12 an hour with no medical. Speaking of which, that shtick where he has his assistant court jester laugh all the time is insufferable. When they're on the screen together you get the insanely uncomfortable impression that he's contractually obligated to laugh like that. HalloKitty posted:Gigabyte screwed the pooch it seems, and left some pretty obvious references to those card models laying around How close are we to becoming ram limited on the 3080? I'm trying to understand the demographic for a 20gb version. Taima fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Sep 20, 2020 |
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The big-memory models are going to be GDDR6 and not 6X (is the rumour), yeah?
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mA posted:Jayztwocents has a new video where he discusses cook groups and the 3080. He spends the first 2 minutes talking about how he's a capitalist and loves capitalism and free markets, then goes on to make an awful "No true Scotsman" argument about scalpers and cook groups.These tech influencers are so painfully out of their element when they attempt to discuss politics or stray from discussing hardware and benchmarks. wouldn't exactly expect a tech youtuber to be a marxist but yeah, him realizing the contradictions and then brushing it away was definitely frustrating to watch Watching companies like Valve handling preorders for the Index well, and even smaller niche manufacturers of gaming controllers like Honeycomb for flight sims getting it right with announcing proper preorders, while nVidia just fails to come up with a decent system. If they had announced preorders immediately at the end of the announcement with no chance for bots to set something up it would have been far smoother. HalloKitty posted:I have no idea whether this has been posted yet, but the rumours about the 16GB 3070 and the 20GB 3080 seem to be panning out, as expected. Good news - I don't feel bad about waiting a few months anymore now if they're just going to release a 20GB variant. I find it a bit absurd that I would buy a card with 1 GB less VRAM than my 1080Ti 3 years later.
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Taima posted:How close are we to becoming ram limited on the 3080? I'm trying to understand the demographic for a 20gb version.
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mA posted:Jayztwocents has a new video where he discusses cook groups and the 3080. He spends the first 2 minutes talking about how he's a capitalist and loves capitalism and free markets, then goes on to make an awful "No true Scotsman" argument about scalpers and cook groups.These tech influencers are so painfully out of their element when they attempt to discuss politics or stray from discussing hardware and benchmarks. Be real hilarious if the real reason is they broke the embargo/NDA when they gave away the FE embargo review dates and lost their right to upload their videos.
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I have the exact opposite reaction. I'm wondering how I can build up a youtube following in the next two years so that I can get a new GPU from Nvidia.
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Is there a reason that US retailers have uniformly failed to allow preorders and backorders?
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Because nerds will call customer support all the time asking where the cars they paid for is.
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exquisite tea posted:I have the exact opposite reaction. I'm wondering how I can build up a youtube following in the next two years so that I can get a new GPU from Nvidia. Thinkin about loving around and being a anime Vtuber whos gimmick is reviewing PC hardware for this now
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Ohhh booo hooo you all want a 3080? Me too. I also want an nr200p and an sf750 but you don't hear me complaining! Also a cyberboard, and tangerines. Wait gently caress did I just do that? Oops. Buying stuff should not be so difficult.
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Ersatz posted:Is there a reason that US retailers have uniformly failed to allow preorders and backorders? Someone explained it as a pre order is carried Debt for unsecured inventory and a lot of companies don't like to do that because of potential supply chain issues. Apple can do it because they control everything start to finish. In theory Nvidia could do it but they won't AIB's won't do it because the retailers would have a fit.
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Malcolm XML posted:at what temp are the modules supposed to stay? 100 or less? No one knows, there hasn't been a real spec released for either G5X, G6 or G6X. He had to access an internal Nvidia software somehow to even get to the drat sensor reading. Apparently the hard cutoff is set at 110C and around 104C is where throttling starts.
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I just want to give someone money for this card.
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Shipon posted:wouldn't exactly expect a tech youtuber to be a marxist but yeah, him realizing the contradictions and then brushing it away was definitely frustrating to watch You can be a capitalist and also disagree with rent-seeking behaviour that the scalpers engage in as it adds no economic productivity. Although as many have already discussed, this is only a result of the refusal of Nvidia to launch with sufficient stock so that a 700 dollar MSRP for the GPU would be relatively close to the equilibrium or their refusal to engage in price discrimination to deal with the shortage in stock of the GPUs being launched at that price point.
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