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forkboy84 posted:No idea what the rules say but if someone in your house is isolating then common sense dictates you should do. Just lol at this government if that isn't the case. Yep them's the stupidity of the rules. If you're not the one who travelled you don't have to quarantine unless you show symptoms. BUT this presupposes the quarantinee can stick to one room, have their own separate bathroom and kitchen, or maintain 2m social distance from everyone else in their home and "thoroughly clean" every room they use after use (yeah right). Of course, draughts, convection currents etc wafting viruses around riding on 'droplets' can't get round doors or hang around in I had to quarantine for 2 weeks when I got back from France - apart from an email from Public Health Wales saying 'you must quarantine' noone at all checked on me. I did have to go shopping 3 times as my family were avoiding me like the plague (my sister is completely obsessed and terrified with it all) and mother is over 80 as are almost all my neighbours. But I went late evening when the shop was pretty well empty and wore mask, distancing, paid with wavy card etc. Also I did sneak out for a walk late evenings and went places where there was noone else (we have riverside and fields round here) because if I don't my leg and hip will completely seize up. Oh and apparently you don't need to self-isolate if you come in via Eurotunnel. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 11:12 on Sep 21, 2020 |
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NotJustANumber99 posted:https://fullfact.org/health/what-are-quarantine-rules-if-you-return-uk-abroad/ Belter. What's the point of self-isolating when you come back from abroad unless you have symptoms then? This is what I mean about mixed messaging, there's no logic to any of this, it's just a hodge podge of bullshit thrown together by assholes who want anyone but them to get the blame for the simultaneous death toll & economic hit. Not having a go at you, you didn't make the rules, but it's such pointless bollocks. What should actually happen is if you come back from abroad you get stuck in a hotel for a fortnight paid by the state like they do in New Zealand but this government are loving garbage
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forkboy84 posted:Belter. What's the point of self-isolating when you come back from abroad unless you have symptoms then? This is what I mean about mixed messaging, there's no logic to any of this, it's just a hodge podge of bullshit thrown together by assholes who want anyone but them to get the blame for the simultaneous death toll & economic hit. Not having a go at you, you didn't make the rules, but it's such pointless bollocks. What should actually happen is if you come back from abroad you get stuck in a hotel for a fortnight paid by the state like they do in New Zealand but this government are loving garbage Exactly. And the logic of allowing 100000 panicking citizens cutting short holidays and other visits abroad to rush back before a 4am deadline and who don't have to quarantine v others arriving just 5 mins later who have to quarantine for 2 weeks! Quarantine should be imposed immediately not give people 36 hours to come in and potentially carriers.
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Cases going up, up, up the the moon. In Manchester today the bus was at standing room, the roads were full and people were wandering around the shops at 9am. I hate this hellworld. I know there's a lot of failings to pin on the government, but Jesus making GBS threads Christ, I swear this city is trying to kill itself.
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https://twitter.com/NewcastleFlyer/status/1307936597728522240 A random planespotter out-journalisting our entire press corps here.
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Sep 21, 2020 11:22
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Exactly. Aye, every time they do "quarantine will start on Monday but hey, that doesn't mean you should act like we don't have it this weekend!!!" I let out an existential holler at the stupidity/cynicism of the entire enterprise. It's lousy.
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From the scientific briefing that just finished lockdown 2: lockdownier (except this time go to the office and also eat at Pret) is on the way imminently.
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Sep 21, 2020 11:27
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I liked the graph labelled 'this is not an official prediction, but it is what could happen!!'
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Sep 21, 2020 11:28
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Brave of the Prime Minister to take a back seat and let the experts handle the briefing. Good job that schools /unis are back and that the furlough scheme ends next month. Can't wait to spend Christmas dying alone in a makeshift ICU.
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Sep 21, 2020 11:32
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keep punching joe posted:Brave of the Prime Minister to take a back seat and let the experts handle the briefing. Don't forget evictions start again today. Perfect timing.
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Sep 21, 2020 11:35
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Lol that Boris apparently still isn't doing cobra meetings despite them happening
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Lungboy posted:Don't forget evictions start again today. Perfect timing. Please, he has starmers full support on this don't just blame boris
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Sep 21, 2020 11:36
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Impeding scrutiny should be the title of kiers biography
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peanut- posted:From the scientific briefing that just finished lockdown 2: lockdownier (except this time go to the office and also eat at Pret) is on the way imminently. According to old people Facebook (via my dad) it’s starting tonight, which seems a bit quick. I’m moving this weekend, so that would not be great.
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Pretending Boris baptised his baby instead of hosed off to Italy is the most pathetic excuse but dwarfed by how pathetic the journalists will be for buying it.
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Great of the government to arrange a press briefing with no questions allowed, giving dire message to public but no announcements of policy measures that will support prevention of the disease. Fully expect Kier Starmer to frown extra hard and support the government fully while demanding that they do more to get things back to normal.
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Beefeater1980 posted:Frankly I want to see 18th century political cartoons make a comeback and have a drunken John Bull farting in the face of BoJo while a shocked Keir Starmer says “that’s Treason, Johnny.” 
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Jose posted:Please, he has starmers full support on this don't just blame boris My blame is boundless.
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Sep 21, 2020 11:49
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Wait wait wait wait September 11th was of course the date of this infamous meeting: https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1304776788875280386 Now the "internet problems" (and the fact it was a Zoom call rather than an in-person meeting, which the Tories have been all too happy to have otherwise) suddenly make a lot more sense. Of course not one single member of our oh-so-vital-to-democracy free press are actually going to dig into this at all, let alone ask him to actually answer, on the record, where he was that weekend. Instead the best we've got is Peston doing his "Well Downing Street say otherwise so there's really no way to know" and making a bemused face.
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Lungboy posted:Don't forget evictions start again today. Perfect timing. With the backlog of cases, it's going to be some time before a lot of people are evicted. I honestly now think that anyone issued a section 21 today will not see a court case at any point until 2022.
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Jose posted:Please, he has starmers full support on this don't just blame boris The clip where he said that cut off half way through what he was saying; what was the rest of it? If it was ‘full support for the necessary measures, and also we think there are a few Tory donors who could do with a few extra billion quid bunged their way’, then fair enough. Otherwise it just looks like another round of that tedious game where you are supposed to give an interview without any individual part of it being able to be turned into a soundbite and used against you.
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I worked at a solicitor's this summer, unless it was drugs, cases were just put in holding over and over again. This was just my experience in West Yorkshire, but it all seemed a bit hosed. Solicitors couldn't go to prison to talk to clients so had to do it over video link, though the solicitors I was working with had a poor grasp how to use the technology and the wi-fi kept dropping if there was more than one video link happening at once. People were out on bail for stuff like assaulting emergency workers and burglary and just hanging about indefinitely. People were accidentally released from prison and couldn't get back in. Weird system
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Jel Shaker posted:i wouldn’t be surprised if Mi5/6 know boris is compromised in some way and won’t let him near some top secret stuff They already don't give politicians any of the raw data or really anything that would be of much use to foreign intelligence because politicians are literally the worst people on Earth at keeping secrets. Besides if MI5 had evidence that a PM was a KGB asset they'd definitely be leaking poo poo to the press and otherwise plotting to bring him down like they did to Wilson, right?
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Jel Shaker posted:i wouldn’t be surprised if Mi5/6 know boris is compromised in some way and won’t let him near some top secret stuff I doubt it MI5 is where all the most compromised people get together and spy on their own wives
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Jel Shaker posted:i wouldn’t be surprised if Mi5/6 know boris is compromised in some way and won’t let him near some top secret stuff This is tinfoil hat stuff, you probably also believe that it wasn't just a coincidence that Boris was in Kirkaldy Fife last month at the same time the yacht beloning to a Russian billionaire was moored offshore.
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Comrade Fakename posted:It’s a misleading headline. If you read the article it’s more about the Tories spunking shitloads of cash on poo poo like the track and trace app that goes nowhere. I.e. it’s a competence thing, and she then proposes more (better) spending. quote:She unveiled proposals for a jobs recovery scheme targeted at sectors that have been closed or on reduced capacity because of social distancing rules. (Although if I was a business owner, I would absolutely tell any political party about how there just weren't enough skilled workers, oh no! in the hope of reducing my costs and risk by getting government to pay for everything)
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Jel Shaker posted:i wouldn’t be surprised if Mi5/6 know boris is compromised in some way and won’t let him near some top secret stuff Don't fall into the trap the US liberals did of thinking the security services are either noble or your friends.
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CGI Stardust posted:Is there a full recording of this anywhere? Most of this makes sense from the point of supporting businesses during a demand crisis, but I'm not sure why retraining comes into it. The level of worker training doesn't really reflect what the problems are, increasing worker skill doesn't stimulate the economy if those skilled jobs don't exist due to a lack of demand, and having more skilled workers at a time when the economy's tanked would probably just lead to a decrease in wages for those skills. "Training" seems like a cargo cult thing that politicians say that doesn't actually mean anything specific, but sounds like something that should happen in an "economy"
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CGI Stardust posted:Is there a full recording of this anywhere? Most of this makes sense from the point of supporting businesses during a demand crisis, but I'm not sure why retraining comes into it. In the short term paying for training is no different from paying people to dig holes and fill them in. In the long term, hopefully it has some non-zero return on the money spent. Maybe there exists some really clever idea for something better than training that could be done by mass numbers of people safely and soon. Not obvious what it would be.
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Sep 21, 2020 12:30
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Skills wallets are back, baby!
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big scary monsters posted:Skills wallets are back, baby! This would be the perfect result of Starmer's leadership, rebranding a squirrel-murderer's worst idea.
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forkboy84 posted:Belter. What's the point of self-isolating when you come back from abroad unless you have symptoms then? This is what I mean about mixed messaging, there's no logic to any of this, it's just a hodge podge of bullshit thrown together by assholes who want anyone but them to get the blame for the simultaneous death toll & economic hit. Not having a go at you, you didn't make the rules, but it's such pointless bollocks. What should actually happen is if you come back from abroad you get stuck in a hotel for a fortnight paid by the state like they do in New Zealand but this government are loving garbage
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Steal the squirrel killing imo. Furry bastards think they own the place
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Tsietisin posted:With the backlog of cases, it's going to be some time before a lot of people are evicted. I honestly now think that anyone issued a section 21 today will not see a court case at any point until 2022.
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They're renting the Not Racist Kanye puppet out to do evictions now?  justcola posted:I worked at a solicitor's this summer, unless it was drugs, cases were just put in holding over and over again.
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