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Who will you vote for in 2020? This poll is closed. |
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| Biden |
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425 | 18.06% |
| Trump |
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105 | 4.46% |
| whoever the Green Party runs |
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307 | 13.05% |
| GOOGLE RON PAUL |
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151 | 6.42% |
| Bernie Sanders |
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346 | 14.70% |
| Stalin |
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246 | 10.45% |
| Satan |
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300 | 12.75% |
| Nobody |
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202 | 8.58% |
| Jess Scarane |
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110 | 4.67% |
| mystery man Brian Carroll of the American Solidarity Party |
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61 | 2.59% |
| Dick Nixon |
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100 | 4.25% |
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crazy eyes mustafa posted:I'm going to hold out for the positive and say that Biden could still surprise us. I think we all will be surprised if he isn't in full time nursing care by 2024.
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Sep 22, 2020 18:09
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Verus posted:Technocracy is infallible and we must hold our tongues and submit to the experts. That's why I'm looking forward to the Biden Administration's greatest picks, like... *checks notes* Larry Summers??? The science experts say that we're cooking the planet but the fracking experts say that fracking is cool as hell. Many sides, many sides.
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Sep 22, 2020 18:16
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Cease to Hope posted:he was already an inarticulate weirdo who's been doing those things for a while, though If for "a while" you mean since 2015 or 2017 or so. Biden was well-known and well-liked by both higher-ups in the party and his voting base for being a great and really charming speaker, disarming, gregarious, eloquent, and clever. That's just simply not the case any more. I recently listened to part of the Charlemagne interview again and it's really shocking how he won't answer questions, or answers a question he wasn't asked, or sort of meanders around thoughts and gives up, or is very defensive and upset by pretty innocuous softball questions. It's staggeringly different from the Joe Biden of even a few years ago.
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Sep 22, 2020 18:17
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Phone posted:https://twitter.com/thomaskaplan/status/1308263001104044033 God I hate this worthless motherfucker.
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Sep 22, 2020 18:17
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Tbf its not as if electing old men with nonfunctional brains to be our Not-a-king is something new that started with trump. We've often elected those just barely aware of their own existance. Hell the DNC spent the last 12 years talking up one of them as "The Good Republicans".
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Sep 22, 2020 18:19
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:If for "a while" you mean since 2015 or 2017 or so. Biden was well-known and well-liked by both higher-ups in the party and his voting base for being a great and really charming speaker, disarming, gregarious, eloquent, and clever. That's just simply not the case any more. I recently listened to part of the Charlemagne interview again and it's really shocking how he won't answer questions, or answers a question he wasn't asked, or sort of meanders around thoughts and gives up, or is very defensive and upset by pretty innocuous softball questions. It's staggeringly different from the Joe Biden of even a few years ago. He was still bad pretty frequently, for example - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2-eRTTtlEc ("I didn't know we did it, and if I didn't even do it we'd have never done it" lol) I think the more noteworthy thing is the number of bad times Biden has that aren't comparable with ones he had in the past. Solkanar512 posted:This still doesn’t give angry, bitter people the right to pretend that they’re medical experts and diagnose Biden with illnesses he likely doesn’t have. It’s gross as gently caress and I don’t care how angry that makes people to read it. Biden is a terrible human being who is responsible for immeasurable human suffering. Something is very wrong if you feel a need to defend Biden from people who are committing the grave sin of thinking "this guy seems to have some sort of cognitive problem because he's constantly losing track of what he's saying and slurring words."
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Sep 22, 2020 18:51
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Yeah I'm not sure what people mean by "for a while" because honestly the only big Biden oration memory I have before the primary is the 2012 VP debate and the difference is just super sad. Like "team comes for us all" sad
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Sep 22, 2020 18:53
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:No one is pretending that they're a medical expert. "Is the guy who wants to be the president of the United States of America of a sound mind" is an extremely pertinent question that voters can and should ask. It is excruciatingly clear that Biden is in some sort of mental decline. We've had this argument in this thread before, but if you listen to his speeches even from a few years ago it's really shocking how different he is. I am no fan of Joe Biden, but he was a really good public speaker and could be extremely charming and deliver an excellent off-the-cuff speech when he wanted to. In fact, I think his ability would be much more widely lauded if he wasn't compared against one of (if not the singular) greatest American orator of his generation in Obama. But when you come to the conclusion that he is mentally deteriorating, what is there to do about it? Vote for Trump instead? As much as it sucks there is no alternative...
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Sep 22, 2020 18:58
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Confusion posted:But when you come to the conclusion that he is mentally deteriorating, what is there to do about it? Vote for Trump instead? As much as it sucks there is no alternative... Well there is, he's just probably not going to win either because states like Pennsylvania took him off the ballot (and because we're probably never getting a 3rd party president). Because for some reason, that's legal.
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Sep 22, 2020 18:59
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Confusion posted:But when you come to the conclusion that he is mentally deteriorating, what is there to do about it? Vote for Trump instead? As much as it sucks there is no alternative... I'm voting for Howie, who seems to have most of his faculties intact. Check your ballot, you may be surprised to find several available candidates!
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Sep 22, 2020 19:00
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Confusion posted:But when you come to the conclusion that he is mentally deteriorating, what is there to do about it? Vote for Trump instead? As much as it sucks there is no alternative... There are plenty of alternatives. Frankly speaking, the only way voting makes any sense strategically is if you can coordinate large numbers of people to vote the same way, which is really the primary job of a party and something that the Democrats are failing to do, or doing only by dint of Trump being the opponent. Personally, I don't want to vote for Biden for many of the same reasons I have no desire to vote for Trump. I'm voting Green because my politics largely align with Howie's and even if he doesn't win, I'd like the Green party to be ecosocialists instead of weird hippies, which I think my vote can be a small but meaningful step towards. Joe Biden wins or loses regardless of my tiny personal vote, and in my opinion the tiny, insignificant, ignorable message of my displeasure with the Democrats in not voting for Joe is more valuable (to me, at least) than voting for him because he's running against Trump. But! Presidential elections are not, nor should they be, your only political action. Getting in the streets, organizing within or without your workplace, helping a bail fund, talking to your family, friends, and co-workers and making sure they're safe and prepared for what's coming (regardless of who is elected) are important and political actions, and way, way, way more useful than a statistically meaningless vote.
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Sep 22, 2020 19:09
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Confusion posted:But when you come to the conclusion that he is mentally deteriorating, what is there to do about it? Vote for Trump instead? As much as it sucks there is no alternative... For real, right? I'd encourage folks to not watch youtube compilations of Joe's senior moments and rather just watch the guy himself if you're worried about this. That CNN drive-in town hall Biden did last week was an hour or two of him standing on the stage and taking unscripted questions from the audience. He did ok, IMO. I think that will give you a more accurate take than some youtubes somebody stitched together. e: wow, yeah VVVVV way to give credibly accused domestic abuser Lowtax $5, jeez. How are u fucked around with this message at 19:16 on Sep 22, 2020 |
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Sep 22, 2020 19:10
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people really need to stop buying avatars until the sale goes through
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Sep 22, 2020 19:12
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I think what has people confused is that Biden has always been prone to gaffes. This is not the same thing as visibly declining while running for president. It’s one thing to object to people saying he has dementia, though I agree with YMB’s expectation that many of those people did not make the same objections when we were all unified in our horror at Trump’s obvious mental decline. It’s simply absurd to try and argue that Biden’s as sharp as he’s ever been. Joe has always put his foot in his mouth, but he used to do it far, far more articulately than he does today. Confusion posted:But when you come to the conclusion that he is mentally deteriorating, what is there to do about it? Vote for Trump instead? As much as it sucks there is no alternative... I’ll be voting a leftist third party or leaving the presidential line on the ballot blank. I would likely make the same decision if I lived in a swing state, but I don’t, so there’s not even really a real moral dilemma to untangle here—my vote is significantly more useful as a sign of my dissent than as a tiny blue chip in a red tide. Voting is the tiniest thing I do politically, though this year has been a painful learning experience when it comes to the efficacy of my political speech among my family and friends over the last five years. Hopefully I’ll be in a mental place in the next year where I can start participating more as part of the organized left, but suffice it to say that America’s future isn’t going to be saved at the ballot box any time soon.
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Sep 22, 2020 19:15
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How are u posted:For real, right? would just like to say, on the record, who ever bought this av is a gigantic loving moron.
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Sep 22, 2020 19:17
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Famethrowa posted:would just like to say, on the record, who ever bought this av is a gigantic loving moron.
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Sep 22, 2020 19:24
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Famethrowa posted:would just like to say, on the record, who ever bought this av is a gigantic loving moron. e: and also it's $10 when you buy an avatar for someone else ...so its twice as dumb
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Sep 22, 2020 19:25
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e: okay I didn’t double post actually but it wasn’t really an important point, except to agree that the new HAU AV is really dumb, someone should get them their old Bernie AV, it was the best one. e2: actually could a mod just restore that one please, PM me if you’d like me to make a donation to a charity of HAU’s choice to do it. The Hillary poop face just isn’t nearly as funny as HAU having a Bernie AV. rko fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Sep 22, 2020 |
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Sep 22, 2020 19:34
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Famethrowa posted:would just like to say, on the record, who ever bought this av is a gigantic loving moron.
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Sep 22, 2020 19:34
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Pakistani Brad Pitt posted:If the last 4 years haven't made it eminently clear that the Democrats don't consider socialists their political allies I don't know what what will https://twitter.com/yusufneedsarest/status/1260803172685287424 Even during the primary, Biden's campaign had official merchandise which show the campaign is under the assumption that all Biden supporters are not socialists and also proud of that. Ruzihm fucked around with this message at 19:47 on Sep 22, 2020 |
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Sep 22, 2020 19:42
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Someone should tell the socialists there's a dang cheeto in the White House who opposes all their goals and constantly mocks them, and their only choice is to elect the other guy who opposes all their goals and constantly mocks them. Libs thinking they're entitled to the votes of everyone to their left is a source of continual amusement to me. "What other choice do they have???" Turns out I have quite a few! rko posted:e: okay I didn’t double post actually but it wasn’t really an important point, except to agree that the new HAU AV is really dumb, someone should get them their old Bernie AV, it was the best one. I liked the Gaddafi av. Him just blankly staring at whatever was posted tickled me. Hillary poop grosses me out and I'll probably end up blocking the image.
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Sep 22, 2020 19:51
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rko posted:e: okay I didn’t double post actually but it wasn’t really an important point, except to agree that the new HAU AV is really dumb, someone should get them their old Bernie AV, it was the best one. You don't have PMs but yeah send a $10 donation to any decent charity and I'll revert it. Or set it to whatever, the current av is gross. e: hell i'll throw in plat for free
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Sep 22, 2020 19:55
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:I'm voting Green because my politics largely align with Howie's and even if he doesn't win, I'd like the Green party to be ecosocialists instead of weird hippies, which I think my vote can be a small but meaningful step towards. This is a pitch that I don't think I've heard before and honestly it's one of the more compelling arguments for voting Howie.
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Sep 22, 2020 19:57
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Democrats have to distance themselves from Socialists for the same reason Pelosi endorsed Kennedy: win or lose, they cannot allow their voters to think that the government can help them, owes them anything, or will give them anything (GND, M4A, Unions, acceptable min wage, etc)
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Sep 22, 2020 20:00
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GreyjoyBastard posted:This is a pitch that I don't think I've heard before and honestly it's one of the more compelling arguments for voting Howie. Especially if you (like me) are in a state that if it were to go red it would mean that Trump won by 400+ EV. Howie and his orbit are, IMO, really very good and have voiced commitment to supporting downballot Greens if and when they run. There's no chance in hell that he'd win the presidency, but if the ecosocialists dominate the party - which it looks like they're gearing up to do - it could provide a real, meaningful alternate to the machine Democrat choice in a lot of smaller races. Who knows if we have the time to build up a new party from nothing, but I think it's a worthy fight to be had.
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Sep 22, 2020 20:03
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:Especially if you (like me) are in a state that if it were to go red it would mean that Trump won by 400+ EV. Pretty much. It provides a nonzero chance of doing real meaningful good, and if your end goal is pushing Biden left (lmao), a more ecosocialist Green Party getting a shitload of votes would act as a stronger force* than either voting for Biden (and endorsing his current agenda), voting Trump, or sitting out. *assuming the Democratic Party actually tries to get those ecosocialist votes, rather than just ignoring them/calling them Russian stooges/removing the party from the ballot, which seems more likely.
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Sep 22, 2020 20:28
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I would agree it's the better fight. Electoral politics between democrats and republicans have failed to achieve even a recognizance that i'm a human worthy of the same rights as others. It was only in the past ten years that major party leaders supposedly 'evolved' in their thought that gay marriage is okay. Thankful for their efforts every four years in making sure the fight is relitigated as a supreme court matter!
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Sep 22, 2020 20:30
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GreyjoyBastard posted:This is a pitch that I don't think I've heard before and honestly it's one of the more compelling arguments for voting Howie. This is what I'm rolling for too. 5% of the vote and matching funds would be the "400+ EV blowout" result but I'll be happy just taking over the hollowed shell of the green party from the anti-vaxxers. They aren't numerous or young enough to stop us. Colorado here. Try to convince me to vote for Hickenlooper downballot because I'm pretty ready to leave that one blank after he called M4A and GND "disasters" during the debates. Part of me thinks he's milquetoast and cowardly enough that he'd go along and wouldn't be the Manchin in some magic world where those things were a close senate vote. Also his beer sucks. nice building though.
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Sep 22, 2020 20:33
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fool of sound posted:You don't have PMs but yeah send a $10 donation to any decent charity and I'll revert it. Or set it to whatever, the current av is gross. Since HAU didn’t indicate any preference (though admittedly I didn’t give them long to reply), but I believe that they are in Virginia, I went with the Richmond Reproductive Freedom Project.  I hope you find this agreeable, HAU.
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Sep 22, 2020 20:50
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I don't live in VA but that's a kind thing to do. e: I did live in NoVA + DC for several years, before the recent Democratic resurgence, and I'm extremely proud of what they're doing over there. How are u fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Sep 22, 2020 |
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Sep 22, 2020 20:55
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How are u posted:I don't live in VA but that's a kind thing to do. Ah dang, just talking up the Virginia model as a non-Virginian, huh? Well regardless, they seemed like they were doing fine work and I was charmed by their inclusive imagery and approach to the issue.
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Sep 22, 2020 21:11
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https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1308376718755889152?s=19 Twitter take on the upcoming debates I am in agreement with. Seems like expectations for Biden have been set as low as they can be (and no one expects anything out of Trump beyond his usual routine). However, a number of Harris fans have built her up as this fierce debater when in reality she's pretty bad off-script and often lacks energy in her performance.
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Sep 22, 2020 21:16
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As Kamala slipped away in the Primary she, as I recall, really fell more and more flat in the debates. There was one where I remember thinking "did she take a couple shots before starting?" However, with Pence as a foil and the White House on the line I hope and expect that she'll give it everything she's got. Her bussing line against Biden, for all the failed and squandered follow-through, was an absolute zinger. I'm sure their team is working diligently to load ammo for her single debate.
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Sep 22, 2020 21:22
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Flying-PCP posted:You can be progressive without being socialist. The place we're at right now leaves plenty of room for that. With the ticking clocks of climate change, nationalism, and failing infrastructure, I think the space in which people can honestly call themselves progressive without actually being socialists is rapidly shrinking, as you cannot address any of those issues with mass redistribution of resources, aggressive international cooperation, and nationalization, respectively. What Joe Biden is saying there has little to do with progressives today and more to do with conservatives that he wishes to woo. He fully expects to get the vote of anyone who calls themselves progressive, because few people think of themselves as socialists - even if they hold socialist beliefs. He really isn't alienating anyone with that he said, but I have to wonder if he is actually winning anyone over.
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Sep 22, 2020 21:22
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Americans have been trained by religion and republicans to accept that government is only there to suppress you. So of course if someone comes up and says I'll give you all medical the country freaks out. Communist scare really benefited the government's of the mid 1900s in terms of lowering expectations and turning ant promise into a fearful venture.
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Sep 22, 2020 21:24
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It's also important to be explicitly capitalist rather than even the slightest socialim, when your entire economy and way of life only exist thanks to the bedrock of imposed global slavery and exploitation of resources.
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Sep 22, 2020 21:28
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Americans have been trained by religion and republicans to accept that government is only there to suppress you. So of course if someone comes up and says I'll give you all medical the country freaks out. Communist scare really benefited the government's of the mid 1900s in terms of lowering expectations and turning ant promise into a fearful venture. And, to be fair, the government that Republicans and Democrats have built over the years doesn't do much to suggest otherwise. It is genuinely horrific how poorly poor Americans are treated by their government.
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Sep 22, 2020 21:35
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Classon Ave. Robot posted:Find me a part in this video where Biden displays a speech impediment, please: Did you even watch your own video? Just skipping around he slurs two words in the same way he does nowdays-- the second time he says intelligence at 7:48 and again with presidential at 34:01. I'm not going to sit there and watch an hour and a half, but if I found 2 literally jumping around in about 1 minutes worth of time, how many do you think there are? Does he sounds more coherent, articulate, on-point and faster? Absolutely. It's been 8 years in age range where every year can make a difference. Does this mean he's demented? No. I administer enough MOCAs to tell you he would ace one easily. Cognitive impairment is definitely on a spectrum, but I doubt he would enough qualify for minor cognitive impairment. He's still old as hell, which impacts his oration abilities, and will continue to do so throughout his presidency. Given all the rants about bad faith, can we talk about how bad faith this post was? You posted this video twice demanding people spend an hour and a half to satisfy you, yet you and clearly didn't listen to it closely yourself. I'm as left as it gets and I'm certainty not voting for Biden, but this type of low effort argument and people insisting Biden is demented just make us look dumb.
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Sep 22, 2020 21:37
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:
You don’t get to tell me what I’m feeling, I’m the arbiter of that. gently caress off. Secondly, if there’s actual, legitimate poo poo you don’t like about Biden, whine and cry about that instead of using it as a lovely equivocation argument. People claiming that “well he’s bad, so I can claim whatever I want about him” are simply full of poo poo.
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Sep 22, 2020 21:43
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Ytlaya posted:He was still bad pretty frequently, for example - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2-eRTTtlEc ("I didn't know we did it, and if I didn't even do it we'd have never done it" lol) Then complain about immeasurable human suffering rather than spreading right wing talking points about how obvious it is that he’s not of sound mind. It’s not that hard.
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Sep 22, 2020 21:45
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