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You need something like... 40 MPs to force a labour leadership election IIRC? And ths SCG is about 30. If you think that Starmer would lose a leadership election now, there's paths to forcing him out, either by rules or by violence.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Why are the unions still backing Labour? My impression was that Labour was prevented from going full Tory by them having to at least pretend to please the unions, but after the WhatsApp leaks and RLB sacking only Unite seemed to give a poo poo IIRC. Union leaders from Unison and GMB (when they weren't committing sexual harassment on their staff) backed starmer. Because similarly to how the Labour party works, unions also have a tendency for their leadership to get very friendly with the bosses and only give a poo poo about their continued remuneration for selling out their members. GMB I think in particular went to bat for the people named in the whatsapp leaks so their leadership was probably directly involved in the sabotage. Unite appears to only be the way it is because of the personal effort of McCluskey but depending on who succeeds him it may not stay that way long, so the structure is still pretty suspect. We should not have to depend on the good intentions of a handful of well off assholes. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Sep 22, 2020 |
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goddamnedtwisto posted:So on a scale of one to enabling act, how worried should I be by the three military helicopters (one Chinook, two I'm not sure about - heavy-looking things that I thought were Merlins but they're retired now) that have flown up the Thames towards Westminster in the last half hour? I used to work on Southbank and Apaches and Chinooks would come over the Thames about once a week on various training things. Also Marine one and it's escorts once, god drat they were loud.
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One of the potential choices for the General Secretary of Unison is advocating they break ties with Labour to the point of running candidates against centre/right Labour candidates.
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OwlFancier posted:GMB I think in particular went to bat for the people named in the whatsapp leaks so their leadership was probably directly involved in the sabotage. Were supportive at first in the wake of the PC Harper situation when they had public outrage on their side. However once the initial novelty wore off so did the support, they seem to think PTSD wears off when they get bored of it. Absolutely loving useless over the catastrofuck of the new system Microsoft are trying to bring in. Lets just say disability access is not being considered in any way, shape or form, and she has had zero replies from any of the people crawling over each other to be seen helping after Harper.
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DesperateDan posted:Happens about once a month or so, sometimes it's two chinooks, sometimes there's apaches too, probably practicing deployment/evacuation of poo poo in an emergency- you can stuff a lot of squaddies in the back of one at a pinch The Chinooks are normally ferrying people/stuff between Qinetiq and associated firms around Farnborough to the range at Foulness and are at fairly predictable times - it was the fact that they were outside of those normal hours, and like I say the other heavy-lift choppers following them, that freaked me out a teeny tiny bit. (Also I'm fairly sure I told the general-on-the-piss story - the extra wrinkle to that was that they actually dropped him off at the Artillery Ground in the City, which really freaked a lot of people out because Chinooks are very not-quiet and having a couple of them suddenly appearing over Moorgate then descending into what people who don't know the area might think was a building (the Artillery Ground is surrounded by buildings and a lot of people don't even know it's there) was enough to wake everyone up)
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Why are the unions still backing Labour? My impression was that Labour was prevented from going full Tory by them having to at least pretend to please the unions, but after the WhatsApp leaks and RLB sacking only Unite seemed to give a poo poo IIRC. Unison threw a bunch of their members under a bus when they recommended they vote for the 2018 pay deal, which ended up being loving poo poo for staff on Agenda for Change payscales of Band 5 and up. Good for staff on the lower end of the Agenda for Change payscales, sure, but my role would have seen me ~£800 better off per year after 5 years, without even considering inflation. Which was a long way away from the 'great deal' Unison were trumpeting at the time. And, of course, the Govt rejected calls for a pay rise for staff on Agenda for Change payscales this year on the basis that we got a new pay deal two years ago.
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Boris labelling their dogshit outsourced testing system "NHS Test and Trace" to make it look like Labour are criticising the NHS is a smart play. "hosed up that you'd criticise the NHS, they're heroes and martyrs remember?" You gotta recognise spin that evil.
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https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1308464422348783618?s=20 Labour are ending furlough for its workers early to save money at the same time as Starmer is calling for it to be extended by the government.
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Is there a bigger  because I think we'll need it over the next few years
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Every time Johnson makes one of his 'inspirational speeches' he brandishes his fist like he's stabbing you with a dirty fork. It's very disconcerting.
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Lungboy posted:https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1308464422348783618?s=20 This is the vehicle for change we need E: lol https://mobile.twitter.com/amphitryoniades/status/1308472452469731332
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Well I wasn't worried about covid destroying the country til I heard bojo say we'd definitely beat it...
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Lungboy posted:https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1308464422348783618?s=20 Also why would they even be furloughing people? They're not a business that needed to close its doors because of lockdown or the general turndown. It's almost as if they want an excuse to get rid of a lot of people, or they're suddenly taking in a lot less money than they were before. 
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10pm pub closing in wales too now from Thursday and table service only I don't really see the point but I'm not going to complain about getting home by 11
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Convex posted:Is there a bigger and that rips the head in half to reveal 
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stev posted:Every time Johnson makes one of his 'inspirational speeches' he brandishes his fist like he's stabbing you with a dirty fork. It's very disconcerting. it feels like they've already decided that more severe lockdown stuff is inevitable and this is just preamble to justify it when it comes.
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The only lesson to take away from the last 5 years is that wrecking labour electorally will help get a leadership you like
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Jose posted:The only lesson to take away from the last 5 years is that wrecking labour electorally will help get a leadership you like It's a shame we don't have anyone working in the party to wreck everything
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A true forensic would be sure to allocate at least 15 minutes for bowel movements. 
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stev posted:A true forensic would be sure to allocate at least 15 minutes for bowel movements. He did, 5-7pm.
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OwlFancier posted:He did, 5-7pm. my mam was at one of these events and said he had a load of hangers on and loved the attention https://twitter.com/alexnunns/status/1308415951633870848?s=20 Jose fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Sep 22, 2020 |
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So these are the new Covid rulesquote:Office workers are being told to work from home again if possible What a load of nothing. How about we close the pubs, schools and offices?
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Wait, they're reinstating table service only at pubs and restaurants? When did they lift that restriction? What a loving mess
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forkboy84 posted:Are you a cop or just sincerely thick? Asking someone about if they are engaging in armed rebellion on a loving public forum. Yeah mate, that's a thing anyone with a brain would do. Just absolutely  at the idea that the thread is a hotbed of violent sedition that is only kept under wraps by a consideration for appropriate OPSEC. Jose sleeps with a live grenade under his pillow. Twisto’s encyclopaedic knowledge of London’s streets is just a cover for his planning for machine gun nest locations. And I’m sure you’re spending every day running through a obstacle course of logs and tires to prepare for deployment.As for your “false dichotomy” (and lol that parliamentary politics is neoliberal, I think you’ll find it predates Thatcher by quite a bit), feel free to educate me, what is the process through which we achieve widespread change in government, not issue-by-issue stuff, without either some form of armed rebellion or through the Labour Party - considering that you already said that all a new left party can reasonably do is influence Labour?
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New Covid19 Rules posted:Penalties for not wearing a mask or gathering in groups of more than six will increase to £200 on the first offence Or does that mean a fine of £200 only in the specific situations where you are legally required to wear a mask?
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Gort posted:So these are the new Covid rules Only indoor sports are restricted? Thank gently caress, hunting parties can still go ahead.
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Comrade Fakename posted:Just absolutely Still waiting to your path to socialism through voting Labour
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So we've spent 6 months trying and failing to build a working app (and bunging money to Tory donors etc), meanwhile Singapore is handing out free Bluetooth tokens to anybody who can't or doesn't want to use the app. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTrY3lJwxQk You don't even have to pair it to anything - if the light is green you're fine, if the light turns red you need to self isolate, and because it's hanging from you externally instead of in your pocket the distance calculations are more predictable.
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I don't get the lack of support for shielders. I understand there are worries about their mental health if they are forced to shield again, but why not give them the choice? Let the shielders decide whether to shield and give them the support of food deliveries or safety from sacking at work if they take up the offer
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Lungboy posted:I don't get the lack of support for shielders. I understand there are worries about their mental health if they are forced to shield again, but why not give them the choice? Let the shielders decide whether to shield and give them the support of food deliveries or safety from sacking at work if they take up the offer The government doesn't know how to do anything except give millions to businesses and hope that they fail to deliver on a timeframe long enough that people don't notice.
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Everyone knows the Labour party is worth at least 2 armed rebellions, 3 if they go into a coalition with whatever party Chuka Umunna is in. In fact, what good has an armed rebellion done for this country when compared to the heady days of the Gordon Brown government?
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Tarnop posted:Still waiting to your path to socialism through voting Labour We build up the left within the party, elect a left-wing leader and then win an election. We almost did that in between 2015-2017. It was difficult, and will be in future, but we proved it was totally possible.
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Comrade Fakename posted:We build up the left within the party, elect a left-wing leader and then win an election. We almost did that in between 2015-2017. It was difficult, and will be in future, but we proved it was totally possible. Or it proved it was totally impossible, depending on your point of view.
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Tarnop posted:Still waiting to your path to socialism through voting Labour still waiting to your path to socialism through not voting Labour
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