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Who was it that suggested I was insane for saying they would test the vaccines by deliberately infecting people? https://twitter.com/FinancialTimes/status/1308772508179537923
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OwlFancier posted:Who was it that suggested I was insane for saying they would test the vaccines by deliberately infecting people? didn’t we develop those in the era of just testing on young conscripts without their consent
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Sep 23, 2020 22:07
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Endjinneer posted:The reason pillars and beams are so overspecified is because they didn't understand structural mechanics, so they threw a lot of material at it and hoped it would work. Often they'd mix techniques up completely. Ancient Greek architecture gets its distinctive style because it uses stone as if it is wood. The two materials have wildly different properties. Mention was made upthread of Brunel's Maidenhead bridge - a big brick viaduct put up 181 years ago which is now carrying trains of five or six times the weight and over twice the speed that was envisaged when it was designed without problems. That's not unusual for early railway infrastructure using brick and stone, precisely because of the 'we don't know precisely how strong this will be, so we'll really go overboard on the design' factor. But when the railways entered their 'second generation', structural engineering was at a higher level of precision and iron and steel bridges were more widely available, allowing constructors to build bridges which were strong enough...and not much more, which carried significant initial cost savings. Thomas Bouch, designer of the first Tay Bridge, was an early and large-scale proponent of this 'minimal construction' engineering - and as the Tay Bridge showed it depended on perfect materials, construction and maintenance to work. The Tay Bridge was a tragic failure but other Bouch bridges of a similar design which were properly built (such as those on the abandoned line over Stainmore) survived in use for almost a century. When the Midland Railway was expanding in the 1870s and 1880s the directors chose to build all their underbridges (where the railway crossed over a road, path or other railway) from steel girders rather than brick or stone arches, precisely designed to be perfectly safe for the current (and anticipated) loads. But massive traffic growth and train weight increases in the late 19th century meant that the Midland quickly found its ability to move stuff being hampered by its relatively under-specced bridges - they couldn't introduce more powerful (heavier) engines or larger, safer, more luxurious (heavier) carriages or larger, more capacious and efficient (heavier) freight wagons. A massive rebuilding/upgrade project was planned for the 1910s but a sudden downturn in coal traffic due to the opening of a new cross-Midlands competing railway followed by WW1 meant it never happened, thus leaving a large part of Britain's railway network plagued by flimsy bridges for decades - many of the old MR bridges weren't removed until the early 2000s.
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Sep 23, 2020 22:08
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OwlFancier posted:Who was it that suggested I was insane for saying they would test the vaccines by deliberately infecting people? I'm not convinced that's a good model for modern testing. Endjinneer posted:wind, fire, earthquake and incompetence 
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Sep 23, 2020 22:11
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sebzilla posted:Been playing in Tableau and made this: Yes but any other leader would've been 20 points ahead.
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Sep 23, 2020 22:11
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Guavanaut posted:Why isn't this guy Labour leader again? Love Clive Lewis, been saying it, he's not the best at internal party politicking stuff or self-promotion but Lewis has an absolute ton of potential good in him.
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Sep 23, 2020 22:55
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Darth Walrus posted:This is a... surprising point of principle for him to stick to: Jel Shaker posted:didn’t we develop those in the era of just testing on young conscripts without their consent
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Sep 23, 2020 22:59
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3 shadow PPSs have been sacked by Starmer for voting against that Overseas bill, rather than abstaining. https://twitter.com/jewdas/status/1308883140866453510?s=20
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Sep 23, 2020 23:05
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I wonder if the calculus is that if Scotland did go independent, the breakup of the UK would be such a blow to the government that it would immediately collapse and the shame would make up for the Tories’ big advantage in cutting out Scotland. Seems like a pretty loving risky strategy to me.
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Sep 23, 2020 23:06
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Vitamin P posted:Love Clive Lewis, been saying it, he's not the best at internal party politicking stuff or self-promotion but Lewis has an absolute ton of potential good in him.
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Sep 23, 2020 23:06
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Comrade Fakename posted:I wonder if the calculus is that if Scotland did go independent, the breakup of the UK would be such a blow to the government that it would immediately collapse and the shame would make up for the Tories’ big advantage in cutting out Scotland. Seems like a pretty loving risky strategy to me. It also relies on the tories throwing another independence referendum which they can just... not do. And then oh dear labour got into government what was that you said about the mandate for an independence referendum mister prime minister?
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Sep 23, 2020 23:08
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https://twitter.com/ClientJournoExp/status/1308877073046556674 Nadia for leader?
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Sep 23, 2020 23:14
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OwlFancier posted:Who was it that suggested I was insane for saying they would test the vaccines by deliberately infecting people? I wish the overall aesthetic and sentiment wasn't towards the 1940's but more like the 70's. Why do certain people remember on a war they imagined they fought in rather than, being punks and rock and roll music and Margaret bloody Thatcher. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsaTFcXVCNU
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Sep 23, 2020 23:17
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I've been putting it off in the vague hope of finding anything to try and fix this internally but I'm not paying a party that supports torture. Starmer deserves nothing short of death.
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Sep 23, 2020 23:20
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Spangly A posted:I've been putting it off in the vague hope of finding anything to try and fix this internally but I'm not paying a party that supports torture. Starmer deserves nothing short of death. "No you see, we abstained. That doesn't mean we support torture, we just don't oppose it. Wildly different you see because *fart noises*" I'm going to get such joy when Keith loses the next election despite his consistent dedication to sitting on the fence about loving everything Did Labour even bother mentioning the recording of the Home Secretary basically using an old Nazi line about Travellers all being thieves? I'm wagering no
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Sep 23, 2020 23:24
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Sep 23, 2020 23:26
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jabby posted:https://twitter.com/ClientJournoExp/status/1308877073046556674 She's 24.
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Sep 23, 2020 23:29
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OwlFancier posted:He probably agrees with her. He probably helps Lord Mann deliver the anti traveller pamphlets.
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Sep 23, 2020 23:30
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That's certainly a point in her favour.
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Sep 23, 2020 23:30
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Lord of the Llamas posted:She's 24. Sounds a bit over-qualified.
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Sep 23, 2020 23:33
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CRISP EMERGENCY! CRISP EMERGENCY! https://twitter.com/m4tt/status/1308688871291596800 Genuinely pretty sad about this.
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Sep 23, 2020 23:43
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Can anyone explain why Clive Lewis said that voting against the Overseas Operations bill was a trap set by the government? I don't understand what difference voting against vs abstaining makes, particularly when you're guaranteed to lose.
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Sep 23, 2020 23:45
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That sucks brannigans are the best crisps this country has
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Sep 23, 2020 23:48
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Lungboy posted:Can anyone explain why Clive Lewis said that voting against the Overseas Operations bill was a trap set by the government? I don't understand what difference voting against vs abstaining makes, particularly when you're guaranteed to lose. He's saying that starmer thinks that, because voting against it would be unpatriotic. And you are entirely correct that abstaining still makes the tories trot out the same argument regardless, and it's also garbage legislation so if labour are too cowardly to oppose garbage legislation out of fear of the tories not liking it then what is the point of them even existing?
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Sep 23, 2020 23:49
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Thought they'd died out years ago.
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Sep 23, 2020 23:49
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OwlFancier posted:He's saying that starmer thinks that, because voting against it would be unpatriotic. And you are entirely correct that abstaining still makes the tories trot out the same argument regardless, and it's also garbage legislation so if labour are too cowardly to oppose garbage legislation out of fear of the tories not liking it then what is the point of them even existing? Thanks, I thought I was missing some 5th dimensional chess mastery here, but it was just Starmer being poo poo. Disappointing but not unexpected.
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Sep 23, 2020 23:51
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Isomermaid posted:
I'm far behind in the thread so I don't know if this has already been stated, but Judith Butler's nonbinary.
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Sep 23, 2020 23:51
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Always thought Brannigans were minging but was for those of you who liked them for whatever reason
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Sep 23, 2020 23:52
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It's almost a poetic bookend to the corbyn period where labour "tactically abstains" under harman from the gently caress the welfare scroungers act and under starmer from the maximum warcrimes act. Really brings back that new labour flavour.
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Sep 23, 2020 23:54
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Comrade Fakename posted:I wonder if the calculus is that if Scotland did go independent, the breakup of the UK would be such a blow to the government that it would immediately collapse and the shame would make up for the Tories’ big advantage in cutting out Scotland. Seems like a pretty loving risky strategy to me. this strategy implies this government is capable of feeling shame, which... that's an assumption, right there
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Sep 24, 2020 00:01
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Abbot, Begum, Blake, Burgon, Byrne, Corbyn, Lavery, Long-Bailey, McDonnell, Osamor, Osborne, Ribeiro-Addy, Russell-Moyle, Sultana, Trickett, Webb, Whittome and Winter voted against the bill. In other news, 124 students have tested positive at Glasgow University. That's going to be all Unis in 2-3 weeks.
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Sep 24, 2020 00:02
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Lungboy posted:Thanks, I thought I was missing some 5th dimensional chess mastery here, but it was just Starmer being poo poo. Disappointing but not unexpected. In the world of politics any event that forces you to have an opinion or take a position is a trap, because if you do you will alienate some portion of the electorate. The key to winning is to avoid all these traps and go into the election with no opinions or policies whatsoever. Then, having alienated nobody, you will secure 100% of the vote.
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Sep 24, 2020 00:04
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Hello Jabby - are you over the covid?
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Comrade Fakename posted:CRISP EMERGENCY! CRISP EMERGENCY!
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OwlFancier posted:He's saying that starmer thinks that, because voting against it would be unpatriotic. And you are entirely correct that abstaining still makes the tories trot out the same argument regardless, and it's also garbage legislation so if labour are too cowardly to oppose garbage legislation out of fear of the tories not liking it then what is the point of them even existing? It's Very Cool that you could have word for word predicted this Conservative response: https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1308846115438157824 Culture war, let's go!
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Hello Jabby - are you over the covid? Yeah thanks. It's been a few months since I had it, I'm basically back to 100%. Took a while though, the first couple of weeks I was incredibly fatigued, and my sense of smell has only recently properly come back. On the plus side, I've donated plasma twice for the trial and they tell me my antibody levels are still high. Got a third donation coming up. Haven't been in the thread mainly because politics is no fun now, with a Tory majority and Labour under Starmer.
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Tesla was right posted:I'm far behind in the thread so I don't know if this has already been stated, but Judith Butler's nonbinary. Ah, poo poo. Didn't know that. Sorry Judith.
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I'm glad your recovery seems to be good at least. Hopefully it will keep you safe for the coming months.
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The galaxy brains at Labour basically made it a trap for themselves, by waving the loving Union Flag, soundbiting endlessly about patriotism and chanting LET'S PUT BRITAIN FIRST in the same week a bill about the loving armed forces was up in the Commons. How thick do you have to b
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OwlFancier posted:I'm glad your recovery seems to be good at least. Hopefully it will keep you safe for the coming months. For all the fuss about people getting reinfected and antibody levels dropping, I'm not too worried. So far I've not seen any cases where someone previously infected has been reinfected and developed severe symptoms, even if they might swab positive again at some point. And antibody levels to all diseases drop over time, your body doesn't waste resources on antibodies it doesn't need. The question is whether it keeps the ability to produce them rapidly enough to prevent serious infection.
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