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Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


peanut- posted:

A combination of Rishi and the employer are going to pay, with the employer paying for more hours than they actually receive in labour. Seems daft.



so its an insufficient lifeline to starving businesses
and an incentive to fire employees (lol paying them for hours they dont work???) for big businesses

this seems really bad. whats the goldman sachs angle here or is it just Neoliberalism Obviously Doesn't Work Vol 95?

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knox_harrington
Feb 18, 2011

Running no point.

SMH if you have to share your chauffeur with other people.

(obviously during the pandemic he is not allowed to see his family so there is no risk of COVID transmission)

I made chilli sauce! It's a Trinidadian recipe with mango and lime. I used scotch bonnets and the sauce is extremely hot so there's a nice tension between the delicious flavour and your mouth catching fire.





knox_harrington fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Sep 24, 2020

DesperateDan
Dec 10, 2005

Where's my cow?

Is that my cow?

No it isn't, but it still tramples my bloody lavender.
back to stockpiling poo poo tickets lol

peanut-
Feb 17, 2004
Fun Shoe

Communist Thoughts posted:

so its an insufficient lifeline to starving businesses
and an incentive to fire employees (lol paying them for hours they dont work???) for big businesses

this seems really bad. whats the goldman sachs angle here or is it just Neoliberalism Obviously Doesn't Work Vol 95?

The maths of it for a company seem to be:
- Pay 165% of a full time salary for 3 members of staff to work 33% of their hours
- Pay 100% of a full time salary for 1 member of staff to work 100% of their hours, and sack the other two

I don't understand it at all

bump_fn
Apr 12, 2004

two of them

peanut- posted:

The maths of it for a company seem to be:
- Pay 165% of a full time salary for 3 members of staff to work 33% of their hours
- Pay 100% of a full time salary for 1 member of staff to work 100% of their hours, and sack the other two

I don't understand it at all

sounds like you understand it very well

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.
it's based off the German flexible-time scheme, which is well-established

it is necessarily the case that this will hold:

peanut- posted:

The maths of it for a company seem to be:
- Pay 165% of a full time salary for 3 members of staff to work 33% of their hours
- Pay 100% of a full time salary for 1 member of staff to work 100% of their hours, and sack the other two

I don't understand it at all

because the policy intention is not to subsidize employing people who were not previously employed, or who would be permanently retrenched by the crisis anyway. The company must still want to retain the same people after the crisis subsides (paying that 65% premium); it is saving the cost of having to search for and replace people after the crisis ends. Nothing will be done about the shock itself; it is the excessive knock-on costs of responding to the shock that the policy will mitigate

the main beneficiaries are skilled workers in organizations where a great deal of their productivity comes from intangible cohesion, culture, whatever, rather than raw hours put in. These would be permanently lost if large portions of people are retrenched and never return to the labour force (so the counterfactual goes), whereas lowering pay temporarily across-the-board would retain participation in the long-term

if you want to poke at the ideological roots, there is perhaps a distinctly neoliberal outlook here in the form of 1) crises as temporary aberrations, and 2) policy mainly targeted at correcting market failures in responding to the aberration. You can taste the New Keynesianism in the policy focus on welfare costs measured in turnover 'search costs' and policy levers focused on cost-of-labour flexibility

(the traditional UK equivalent of the same ideological vision, fwiw, is to let organizations die and instead subsidize the employee in job search after the crisis; post-Hartz Germany has much more austere Jobseeker's Allowance equivalents)

ronya fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Sep 24, 2020

justcola
May 22, 2004

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

My mum is working from home in the first time in her life, but is also unable to properly afford heating this winter. I don't want her to be Bob Cratchit this winter, so is there any way her employer can put to for heating or anything? She is likely to be too scared to ask as she sees her job as so precarious, but if there was any sort of benefits to help with heating or support workers at home that could benefit the business with tax cuts or anything please let me know.

Loonytoad Quack
Aug 24, 2004

High on Shatner's Bassoon
Everyone can claim heating and electricity contribution for working from home, the 2020/21 rate is £6/week without any documentary proof needed. Martin Lewis did a big write up about it here a while back:

https://blog.moneysavingexpert.com/2020/04/martin-lewis--working-from-home-due-to-coronavirus--claim-p6-wk-/

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Specifically I think if you want to claim it, that says you can get tax relief on £6 a week of income, so if you're below the personal allowance, presumably you cannot get any money from the government and would be required to ask your employer to pay it, which is what she is wanting to avoid.

Also if you are on the 20% rate that is not £6 a week in your pocket, it's £1.20 a week.

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Just left Labour and feel kind of... relieved? It'll still be annoying when I see Labour being poo poo and useless but at least I know that I'm not personally helping to enable it now.

Mebh
May 10, 2010


knox_harrington posted:


I made chilli sauce! It's a Trinidadian recipe with mango and lime. I used scotch bonnets and the sauce is extremely hot so there's a nice tension between the delicious flavour and your mouth catching fire.

You can't say that and not share the recipe!
I keep meaning to get back to fermented chilli sauces. I made some cracking ones in Spain from all the chillis I grew.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Pistol_Pete posted:

Just left Labour and feel kind of... relieved? It'll still be annoying when I see Labour being poo poo and useless but at least I know that I'm not personally helping to enable it now.

welcome comrade

Lungboy
Aug 23, 2002

NEED SQUAT FORM HELP

Loonytoad Quack posted:

Everyone can claim heating and electricity contribution for working from home, the 2020/21 rate is £6/week without any documentary proof needed. Martin Lewis did a big write up about it here a while back:

https://blog.moneysavingexpert.com/2020/04/martin-lewis--working-from-home-due-to-coronavirus--claim-p6-wk-/

There's also the warm home discount scheme.

knox_harrington
Feb 18, 2011

Running no point.

Mebh posted:

You can't say that and not share the recipe!
I keep meaning to get back to fermented chilli sauces. I made some cracking ones in Spain from all the chillis I grew.

Sure! I enjoyed making it but it did make the kitchen into a pretty hazardous place. I decreased the amount of mustard powder and green onion after a trial run, and added a couple of teaspoons of sugar to sweeten it up some more. It's very nice.

I got the recipe online, but the idea of doing a Trinidadian one was from a friend of my brother's. He's from there and brought some of his Gran's home made sauce and it was fantastic.

quote:

Ingredients

15 peppers habanero peppers
1 small mango - peeled, seeded, and cut into chunks
1 onion, roughly chopped
3 medium (4-1/8" long)s green onions, roughly chopped
2 cloves garlic, roughly chopped
1 ½ cups distilled white vinegar
2 lime (2" dia)s limes, juiced
2 tablespoons vegetable oil
4 tablespoons dry mustard powder
1 tablespoon salt
1 teaspoon curry powder
½ teaspoon grated lime zest

Wearing disposable gloves, and being careful not to get any in your eyes or on your skin, roughly chop the habanero peppers. Place the habanero peppers, mango, onion, green onions, and garlic into a blender. Pour in the vinegar, lime juice, and vegetable oil, cover the blender, and pulse until the mixture is very finely chopped. Stop the blender, and add dry mustard powder, salt, curry powder, and lime zest. Blend again until the sauce is smooth. Pour into clean jars, and store in refrigerator.
https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/215073/hot-pepper-sauce-a-trinidadian-staple/

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
I wonder if there will be storys come out of cheating spouses being found out by the covid app thingy.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

NotJustANumber99 posted:

I wonder if there will be storys come out of cheating spouses being found out by the covid app thingy.

Probably not, you'd just use whatever excuse you'd used to leave the house anyway - "Oh I must have picked it up when I went to that special late-night company meeting last week, remember?", unless the app pops up "You might have been exposed to covid when you checked in at Trixi, 21, Blonde, 2nd floor, 69 Frith Street".

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

This title contains sponsored content.

kpop fans are playing noughts and crosses on stephen pollard's forehead

https://twitter.com/faeriejim/status/1309134781679046657

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Probably not, you'd just use whatever excuse you'd used to leave the house anyway - "Oh I must have picked it up when I went to that special late-night company meeting last week, remember?", unless the app pops up "You might have been exposed to covid when you checked in at Trixi, 21, Blonde, 2nd floor, 69 Frith Street".
Please stop doxxing me, I was attempting entryism into the tory inner circles.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Pistol_Pete posted:

Just left Labour and feel kind of... relieved? It'll still be annoying when I see Labour being poo poo and useless but at least I know that I'm not personally helping to enable it now.

Labour are also glad that politics is being taken out of the hands of the hoi-polloi. If that sounds like they're Tories to you, then well done.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes
liz truss so useless even Tories can see it

https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1309169326709186560

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

Here's What Happened When I 'Outed' Myself as Tim Martin's Son

What started as a laugh at British media nepotism quickly became a furious pile-on that revealed a predictability at the heart of social media.

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/v7gwd9/heres-what-happened-when-i-outed-myself-as-tim-martins-son

anyone from the UKMT get quoted?

Lobster God
Nov 5, 2008
I know this will surprise no one, but Tweetman saying the quiet part out loud here:

https://twitter.com/francesweetman/status/1309123112227799058?s=19

Strom Cuzewon
Jul 1, 2010

Cerv posted:

Here's What Happened When I 'Outed' Myself as Tim Martin's Son

What started as a laugh at British media nepotism quickly became a furious pile-on that revealed a predictability at the heart of social media.

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/v7gwd9/heres-what-happened-when-i-outed-myself-as-tim-martins-son

anyone from the UKMT get quoted?

It would be less shameful if he were Tim Martins' son.

Jesus christ the state of this.

elbkaida
Jan 13, 2008
Look!

ronya posted:

it's based off the German flexible-time scheme, which is well-established

it is necessarily the case that this will hold:


because the policy intention is not to subsidize employing people who were not previously employed, or who would be permanently retrenched by the crisis anyway. The company must still want to retain the same people after the crisis subsides (paying that 65% premium); it is saving the cost of having to search for and replace people after the crisis ends. Nothing will be done about the shock itself; it is the excessive knock-on costs of responding to the shock that the policy will mitigate

the main beneficiaries are skilled workers in organizations where a great deal of their productivity comes from intangible cohesion, culture, whatever, rather than raw hours put in. These would be permanently lost if large portions of people are retrenched and never return to the labour force (so the counterfactual goes), whereas lowering pay temporarily across-the-board would retain participation in the long-term

if you want to poke at the ideological roots, there is perhaps a distinctly neoliberal outlook here in the form of 1) crises as temporary aberrations, and 2) policy mainly targeted at correcting market failures in responding to the aberration. You can taste the New Keynesianism in the policy focus on welfare costs measured in turnover 'search costs' and policy levers focused on cost-of-labour flexibility

(the traditional UK equivalent of the same ideological vision, fwiw, is to let organizations die and instead subsidize the employee in job search after the crisis; post-Hartz Germany has much more austere Jobseeker's Allowance equivalents)

AFAIK in the German model employers only pay actual hours worked though so it's a fairly clear win-win for all sides. Unless you are zero-hours or temp agency worker, then you get hosed.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

Strom Cuzewon posted:

It would be less shameful if he were Tim Martins' son.

Jesus christ the state of this.

it's Vice magazine. the bar is low

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Painted a sign on myself saying I'm a bellend and got called a bellend, here's why that's everyone else's fault.

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


Seriously, if you insist on leaving Labour, please at least wait until the NEC election is done.

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

Comrade Fakename posted:

Seriously, if you insist on leaving Labour, please at least wait until the NEC election is done.

This is what I'm doing. Voting in the NECs then I'm off.

I don't suppose it'll make much difference but gently caress it. I'm sour about the whole thing.

StarkingBarfish
Jun 25, 2006

Novus Ordo Seclorum

josh04 posted:

kpop fans are playing noughts and crosses on stephen pollard's forehead

https://twitter.com/faeriejim/status/1309134781679046657

This is just an incredible sentence

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Comrade Fakename posted:

Seriously, if you insist on leaving Labour, please at least wait until the NEC election is done.

Terrible advice. Don't give them a single penny more.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
lol at all of this

https://twitter.com/KeejayOV2/status/1309218423797362689?s=20

Help Im Alive
Nov 8, 2009

I don't think I've ever seen a twitter ratio like this



the bts stans are powerful

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

wiggly eyes!



Cerv posted:

Here's What Happened When I 'Outed' Myself as Tim Martin's Son

What started as a laugh at British media nepotism quickly became a furious pile-on that revealed a predictability at the heart of social media.

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/v7gwd9/heres-what-happened-when-i-outed-myself-as-tim-martins-son

anyone from the UKMT get quoted?

I feel for this, at least the initial post (if not the curry club one). It was the blue tick, I guess I’m just so used to a blue tick on Twitter actually being who they claim. :shrug:

The chauffeur driven cars exemption is about like the grouse - they’re either trying to make a story to distract attention from other things, or they really, really don’t give a poo poo with this majority and this far out from an election.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Lobster God posted:

I know this will surprise no one, but Tweetman saying the quiet part out loud here:

https://twitter.com/francesweetman/status/1309123112227799058?s=19
I've been trying to word something about it all day but her 'Jews are white' bullshit is, apart from anything else, another white rear end in a top hat excluding Sephardi Jews from their own ethnicity.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Bobby Deluxe posted:

I've been trying to word something about it all day but her 'Jews are white' bullshit is, apart from anything else, another white rear end in a top hat excluding Sephardi Jews from their own ethnicity.

And Iranian Jews and Ethiopian Jews and Asian Jews

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

Help Im Alive posted:

I don't think I've ever seen a twitter ratio like this



the bts stans are powerful

holy moly

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Please stop doxxing me, I was attempting entryism into the tory inner circles.

Then you've already failed. The establishment - from Tory MPs to Directors of Public Prosecution - much prefer Shepherd's Market to Soho. Closer to Whitehall, more discreet, and always with the excuse available that you were just taking a shortcut to Claridges. I'm sure it's just coincidence that MI5, MI6, and certain Royals have all had premises directly opposite over the years.

(One rumour about the extremely odd locale of MI5's HQ in the 70s and 80s at the far end of Gower Street, miles away from the rest of Government, was that certain senior staff were altogether too "comfortable" with the Curzon Street offices, to the delight of the KGB)

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006
stop loving posting weettakes jesus christ

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


forkboy84 posted:

Terrible advice. Don't give them a single penny more.

Maybe you'll finally achieve your dream of not a single socialist in parliament soon!

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bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


Cerv posted:

Here's What Happened When I 'Outed' Myself as Tim Martin's Son

What started as a laugh at British media nepotism quickly became a furious pile-on that revealed a predictability at the heart of social media.

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/v7gwd9/heres-what-happened-when-i-outed-myself-as-tim-martins-son

anyone from the UKMT get quoted?

I know COVID is around and all that but can't he do better than proving Twitter is a bit reactionary? I mean feet-pervs proved that a pic of AOC was fake from the comfort of their laptops.

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