|
The Philly Shell has also been nicknamed the Philly Coffin for people who get too defensive with it, and end up just getting wailed on from not attacking.Onmi posted:It's incredibly fascinating for the character, He wants someone at his level to challenge him, but quite frankly there's no one at his level. If he was seeking a greater challenge he'd have to move up a weight class, but it's very likely that he's at a healthy, natural weight where he is, so pushing up a weight class would essentially be 'boxing stupid' MonsterEnvy fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Sep 16, 2020 |
#
?
Sep 16, 2020 20:24
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 23, 2024 19:15 |
|
|
SwissArmyDruid posted:So Morikawa's idea to beat Mayweather is "punch moar" Honestly Yes. But it's not easy to get a boxer to do it. Because you will take hits And it still might not work and catch the hard L, but it's literally your only chance. You aren't going to out technical Mayweather, he is one of the greatest technical points fighters of all times. People who fell into that trap always got torn apart. The people who did the best against him were ones who just said gently caress it.
|
|
#
?
Sep 16, 2020 20:49
|
|
|
The theoretical Had-A-Reliable-Coach-His-Whole-Career Tyson could have done it.
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2020 00:01
|
|
|
MonsterEnvy posted:The Philly Shell has also been nicknamed the Philly Coffin for people who get too defensive with it, and end up just getting wailed on from not attacking. I'll be completely honest: Beyond Sendo's fight (which was really good), my actual favorite thing wrt this arc has been how surprisingly well Morikawa has been able to portray the early 00's Cuauthemoc borough (back when it was still a borough, I mean) in the glimpses we've gotten of it throughout Sendo's team (plus Ippo) stay in Ciudad de México. It's a place and time I hold near and dear to my heart due to how much of my life changed thanks to the local music scene facilitated by a certain magical place which has existed for almost a quarter of a century now, which is a cool 10 minute walk from where the action is taking place now in comic time.
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2020 01:09
|
|
|
MonsterEnvy posted:The Philly Shell has also been nicknamed the Philly Coffin for people who get too defensive with it, and end up just getting wailed on from not attacking. im like half sure that the ages in the story are becoming more malleable as time goes on, because otherwise they're not going to make much sense soon. everyone would be older than the story wants them to be for the way that it's told, so i think mori's just gonna be pretty loose with how old the characters actually are from here on out
|
|
#
?
Sep 17, 2020 13:51
|
|
|
What year is it in HnI?
|
|
#
?
Sep 18, 2020 01:40
|
|
|
January 2000.
|
|
#
?
Sep 18, 2020 01:57
|
|
|
tbp posted:im like half sure that the ages in the story are becoming more malleable as time goes on, because otherwise they're not going to make much sense soon. everyone would be older than the story wants them to be for the way that it's told, so i think mori's just gonna be pretty loose with how old the characters actually are from here on out  from here on out. Ippo would have had to have been doing like one title defense a month to still be as young as he's portrayed. There is a chronology on one of the fan wikis, says his pro debut against Oda was January 3, 1991, even in-manga dude should be pushing 30.Some of the dates are obviously estimates, but according to the wiki from April 7 '94 to October 25 '97 Ippo defended his title 11 times. So I guess once every 4 months or so, which is more reasonable but still seems like a lot to maintain for 3.5 years straight.
|
|
#
?
Sep 18, 2020 09:12
|
|
|
Takes No Damage posted:
i did a huge effort post a number of years back which pegged all of their ages and it was remarkably consistent from mori's writing style (he has the characters he puts on the same "tier" hit the milestones generally around the same ages, like ippo winning the JBC and miyata winning the OPBF around the same age, etc.) but i think the retirement arc throws more or less everyhitng outta wack in terms of timing the dynamic the story wants with aoki/kimura and itagaki in relation to ippo makes it awkward, too. itagaki is meant to be the newcomer fora long time but he legitimately has significantly more years of boxing experience than ippo, esp cuz hes just really not much younger than him at all, and aoki and kimura really aren't that much older than ippo, either.
|
|
#
?
Sep 19, 2020 02:02
|
|
|
Stairmaster posted:The theoretical Had-A-Reliable-Coach-His-Whole-Career Tyson could have done it. I don't know much about history boxing, but does this mean Tyson was that scary with a coach that wasn't all that?
|
|
#
?
Sep 19, 2020 02:17
|
|
|
Artelier posted:I don't know much about history boxing, but does this mean Tyson was that scary with a coach that wasn't all that? Tyson's coach was Cus D’ Amato, the guy who taught him Peekaboo boxing and how to be an effective counter-puncher. But, much like many boxers of his time, Tyson got sucked into the allure of Don Kings money, and Don King got Tyson less technically gifted trainers and more "Ah just throw the punches champ" trainers. In short, Cus is what Kamogawa should be, while Tyson wound up with coaches that Kamogawa IS.
|
|
#
?
Sep 19, 2020 05:24
|
|
|
Also Tyson had a rough childhood and amato was a guiding light in that regard while king could not give less of a gently caress
|
|
#
?
Sep 19, 2020 06:04
|
|
|
Also Cus died in 1985, early in Tyson’s pro career
|
|
#
?
Sep 19, 2020 06:36
|
|
|
cus also gave a poo poo about tyson who very clearly was hosed up in the head well before getting hit in the head professionally and him dying right at the onset of superstardom was a very awful thing for him lol
|
|
#
?
Sep 19, 2020 13:29
|
|
|
Late to the news but man I am  about Discotek landing the blu-ray release, with the OVA and movie too, hell yeah, fingers crossed for releases of the other two seasons however remote their chances might beI was always amazed they dubbed the entire first series - hell, Manga Entertainment wasn't that confident with god drat Fist of the North Star and that probably had much greater potential to succeed, they only did what 36 eps? (And stopped right when everything starts getting good as hell too) The dub is not particularly good but not terrible, it's just bland. Takamura's english voice just sounds like a dork and not in a good way, most of the other characters are just completely flat with no big variation in tone or inflection, the actors are just reading their lines with the mildest of emotions at times, it's really unusual. Anytime ippo's voice would drop to an introspective whisper or soft voice in the original the english actor is just TALKING LIKE THIS the entire time Coach kamogawa was fine, think it might have been Richard Epcar??? Miyata's voice though, holy hell, is so terrible 
|
|
#
?
Sep 20, 2020 18:31
|
|
|
http://hni-scantrad.com/eng/lel/?manga=Hajime+no+Ippo&chapter=Chapter+1314#page=1 New chapter has been out. Well, I guess that's a very Morikawa way to go about things.
|
|
#
?
Sep 26, 2020 00:53
|
|
|
what is the ratio of chapters with characters going "what does it mean.... to be strong?!?" to chapters without
|
|
#
?
Sep 26, 2020 01:01
|
|
|
How often does literally punching someone's block so repeatedly, and hard, that their arm gets hosed up and unable to maintain the block anymore? I don't doubt that happens, but like... you don't hear about it much.
|
|
#
?
Sep 26, 2020 01:18
|
|
|
MonsterEnvy posted:The Philly Shell has also been nicknamed the Philly Coffin for people who get too defensive with it, and end up just getting wailed on from not attacking. Prescient.
|
|
#
?
Sep 26, 2020 02:22
|
|
|
OnimaruXLR posted:How often does literally punching someone's block so repeatedly, and hard, that their arm gets hosed up and unable to maintain the block anymore? It's normally how people that use the Philly Shell lose. But it normally takes much longer then round.
|
|
#
?
Sep 26, 2020 03:35
|
|
|
Page 9 in this chapter is really beautiful to me http://hni-scantrad.com/eng/lel/?manga=Hajime+no+Ippo&chapter=Chapter+1314#page=9
|
|
#
?
Sep 26, 2020 03:57
|
|
|
It's funny that Martinez is even more boring to me now than he was before
|
|
#
?
Sep 26, 2020 04:33
|
|
|
I'm quite enamored of Martinez. He's too good and now it's not fun for anyone when he plays with his friends.
|
|
#
?
Sep 26, 2020 05:13
|
|
|
I like Martinez, he's a good punchboy.
|
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2020 09:01
|
|
|
Shinjobi posted:It's funny that Martinez is even more boring to me now than he was before I'm legitimately astonished to read this. Do you mind elaborating?
|
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2020 17:48
|
|
|
I think for me, the issue is just this series is long as hell. We have spent forever talking about how great he is. Yeah, I understand that we're digging a little deeper this time, and seeing things from his perspective. But the fight comes and goes and nothing has changed. He is still invincible. He can fight poorly (by his standards) and still effortlessly win. He is not the first impossibly powerful competitor in a sports series, but God I wish there were some personality.....somewhere. His personality for over a decade has been "I'm so good I'm bored" and this fight showed us "Seriously I'm REALLY bored" which feels like a waste. Big picture, I know they're clearly setting up more Sendo/Ippo/Martinez foreshadowing. But I was hoping to see something more out of Martinez here. I never doubted he'd win, but goodness what a wet fart of a fight. I appreciate the accuracy of the shell collapsing since as mentioned previously that's typically what happens to non-Mayweather boxers. But I would very much like to be more invested in this perfect antagonist.
|
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2020 18:52
|
|
|
Shinjobi posted:I think for me, the issue is just this series is long as hell. We have spent forever talking about how great he is. Yeah, I understand that we're digging a little deeper this time, and seeing things from his perspective. But the fight comes and goes and nothing has changed. He is still invincible. He can fight poorly (by his standards) and still effortlessly win. I see, okay. I disagree on one thing though, I really don't agree that his personality thus far has been "I'm so good I'm bored". I'd contend we have had genuinely no idea what his personality is at all until this fight (I have, for a long time, been trying to figure out how he compares and contrasts to Jose Mendoza who is the clear inspiration for him). So for me, the introduction of the boredom aspect of his character is actually very novel. His respect for the sport keeps him from loving around too much, but in a way, he's very, very much a foil to Takamura from what we know so far, here's some examples: 1. From what we can tell, Bill and Ricardo have a good, but very professional, relationship, while Takamura have a good, but very personal, relationship 2. Takamura explicitly WILL gently caress around against weaker opponents, whereas Ricardo did just explicitly throw away the idea upon considering it for an instant 3. This is more conjecture, but as best we know, Ricardo might not have too many gymmates or allies. The closest we know of is Nargo, who was able to just last with him for some time, and it doesn't really seem as if they are "friends". This is the most important one, and the one I'm interested in seeing where it goes the most - Takamura flat out told Ippo the top isn't "lonely", it's "extraordinary", but when we find Ricardo.... well, he really does find it lonely. The two of them are the two superhumans of the series, and they're similar in many many ways, but in just a few short chapters, we can see some major divergences (also the very obvious presentation and way they carry themselves differences). If I had to guess, Mori is a weak enough writer that he will probably continue to steal from AnJ for Ricardo and make him the consummate professional, just like Jose Mendoza, but probably eliminate some of the more interesting things about Mendoza, like his legitimate, deep seated fear of being damaged, which was a really neat character trait for the "final boss" of a series to have. That said, I still find Ricardo really interesting now, and I'm excited to see where this all goes.
|
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2020 19:08
|
|
|
Here's hoping we don't have to wait another decade to learn more about him.
|
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2020 19:12
|
|
|
Shinjobi posted:Here's hoping we don't have to wait another decade to learn more about him. a lot about HNI would be significant'y better if there wasn't an entire manga's worth of ridiculous nonsense in the middle of it which needlessly elongated the whole thing
|
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2020 19:25
|
|
|
Also, the warm-up match (or exhibition match? the proper term eludes me) he had with Sendo where the Naniwa homeboy actually scored a down (even if by crazy coincidence or something) probably left him hoping something like this might happen on his legit fight.
|
|
#
?
Sep 28, 2020 21:41
|
|
|
Chapter 1315 is out
|
|
#
?
Sep 29, 2020 15:31
|
|
|
 chapter 1316 Kimura manages to floor Takamura and the rest of the crew. everyone just casually wearing the masks is great.
|
|
#
?
Oct 6, 2020 21:32
|
|
|
Morikawa can be really good at writing humor and this chapters is another reminder of that.
|
|
#
?
Oct 6, 2020 21:41
|
|
|
I think maybe all the masks are references? Except Kimura's which is a reference... to his head. Takamura's is Sanraku from Shangri La Frontier Aoki's is brand X Ramenman I think Itagaki's is brand X Kikaider Kumi's is the wee snowman looking thing from Rave Master There are many panda characters out there, but for some reason Yagi's reminds me of the one from Jujutsu Kaisen? maybe I'm reaching
|
|
#
?
Oct 6, 2020 22:39
|
|
|
More importantly is the last scene of the chapter. Genuine character progress for Ippo.
|
|
#
?
Oct 7, 2020 20:05
|
|
|
Ippo has unearthed a secret long forgotten in boxing: not getting hit
|
|
#
?
Oct 7, 2020 21:46
|
|
|
Namnesor posted:Ippo has unearthed a secret long forgotten in boxing: not getting hit How on earth did he learn that from the Sendo vs Gonzalez fight
|
|
#
?
Oct 7, 2020 22:43
|
|
|
CharlestonJew posted:How on earth did he learn that from the Sendo vs Gonzalez fight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmsF3xbqnR8 ... or something like that.
|
|
#
?
Oct 7, 2020 22:49
|
|
|
Chapter 1317 is out. Looks like Kimura has developed quite the maneuver.
|
|
#
?
Oct 24, 2020 05:01
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 23, 2024 19:15 |
|
|
1318 is out and it looks like Takamura is finally going to heave his Super Middleweight title match. Not sure I like the setup for his opponent; the whole thing reeks of "Having to overcome the handicap of an opponent with good luck" which might be good in a superhero comic, but seems kind of weird in a boxing manga. Also nice to see the fact that it's weird that Takamura has never fought outside of Japan addressed.
|
|
#
?
Oct 29, 2020 00:09
|
|