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Dalael posted:Which emperor would have the best tweet? hadrilan
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Dalael posted:Which emperor would have the best tweet? nero. no question
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Sep 26, 2020 00:01
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Low Desert Punk posted:nero. no question One of the funniest stories to me from Roman history was how the future Emperor Vespasian had a "Career Limiting Move" moment when he fell asleep during one of Nero's hipster harp concerts in Greece. On the flip side it might have saved him since the following political instability after Nero got killed it made him a under the radar type leader.
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Sep 26, 2020 00:11
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Claudius has strong "always posting" vibes to me
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Sep 26, 2020 00:36
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Tulip posted:Claudius has strong "always posting" vibes to me Claudius = Fishmech Tiberius = Jeffrey Pupienus = Squizzle Balbinus = Twoday Marcus Aurelius = Cumshitter
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Sep 26, 2020 00:45
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Diocletian just @ing the Roman populace with a picture of a cabbage.
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Sep 26, 2020 00:47
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GreyjoyBastard posted:santa claus punched a guy about it I used to go on r/askhistorians a whole lot a few years ago and the consensus there was that Guns, Germs, and Steel was racist, then again they also thought that Zinn was a hack so I don't know.
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Sep 26, 2020 00:48
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Dalael posted:Which emperor would have the best tweet? Caligula Though the Romans would *not* be about "everybody gets to post"
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Sep 26, 2020 00:55
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ToxicAcne posted:I used to go on r/askhistorians a whole lot a few years ago and the consensus there was that Guns, Germs, and Steel was racist, then again they also thought that Zinn was a hack so I don't know. i've yet to hear an explanation for that, but if I had to guess I'd go with "not blaming white peoples actions on innate spiritual evil that would never apply to anyone else"
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Sep 26, 2020 00:57
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Actually looking back at some of those threads, the explanation was that his thesis ignores the agency of indigenous peoples and the role of social relations in the conquest. I.e how Cortes and Pizzaro got insanely lucky or how the destruction of the Aztec and Incan Empires relied more on how much their enemies hated them than any technological superiority by the Spanish.
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Sep 26, 2020 01:17
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Nebakenezzer posted:Caligula the social war: all the other subforums waging war on GBS for the right to shitpost and choose their own mods caracella: trolling all the other mods and admins by promoting every poster on the forums to IK status Max Thrax: uwe boll
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Sep 26, 2020 01:58
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ToxicAcne posted:Actually looking back at some of those threads, the explanation was that his thesis ignores the agency of indigenous peoples and the role of social relations in the conquest. I.e how Cortes and Pizzaro got insanely lucky or how the destruction of the Aztec and Incan Empires relied more on how much their enemies hated them than any technological superiority by the Spanish. would the Tlaxcalans have ever allied with Cortes in the first place if they didn't repeatedly lose battles to him? this seems like one of those pointless historical fights where you just post a picture of that girl saying "why not both?" until everyone shuts up
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Sep 26, 2020 02:12
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AnEdgelord posted:this seems like one of those pointless historical fights where you just post a picture of that girl saying "why not both?" until everyone shuts up dialectics
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Sep 26, 2020 03:22
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ToxicAcne posted:Actually looking back at some of those threads, the explanation was that his thesis ignores the agency of indigenous peoples and the role of social relations in the conquest. I.e how Cortes and Pizzaro got insanely lucky or how the destruction of the Aztec and Incan Empires relied more on how much their enemies hated them than any technological superiority by the Spanish. i think the biggest problem is that way too many people who should know better want to impute a lot of european ideas of empire into these pre-columbian polities that were way less durable than the very term empire implies, even if they were ruled by someone for whom "emperor" was a reasonable description the spanish were a big exogenous shock to the "empires", but as the mississippian culture shows, poo poo was unstable since well before the spanish rolled up
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Sep 26, 2020 04:36
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the same could be said for the sumerians, or the greeks
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Sep 26, 2020 04:39
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Flavius Aetass posted:the same could be said for the sumerians, or the greeks fair enough, the point I was going for is that none of the pre-columbian empires the spanish fought were ever really stable in the sense that we think of an empire. they might have eventually got there (the inca in particular) but they were all very new entities, relatively speaking
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Sep 26, 2020 05:08
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Regardless of anything, the romans would have all been amazing posters. The ability to poo poo talk anyone at any time is essentially heaven on earth to a bunch of them
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Sep 26, 2020 05:53
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I guess the closest comparison to the Aztec empire would be the Delian league?
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Sep 26, 2020 05:55
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at the end of the day you're still asking why one area of the world steamrolled another and the details of how things played out are rarely the answer like I can't remember if it was diamond or someone else who pointed out that cortez was from the bottom of the social hierarchy in spain which is why there were so many people like him who followed his path to conquest in the americas if anything it suggests that the person making the argument is unaware that the colonizers having local allies is a part of colonial history everywhere and not a one time thing
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Sep 26, 2020 06:01
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ToxicAcne posted:I used to go on r/askhistorians a whole lot a few years ago and the consensus there was that Guns, Germs, and Steel was racist, then again they also thought that Zinn was a hack so I don't know. a lot of white suburban liberal-arts major libs want to show off how overtly academically smart n woke they are by saying diamond, he loves da imperialism and genocide! just random acts of entropy aka white apologist!!. and it's like, no in fact, that is kind of one of the major problems with him is that he specifically starts writing a book with the thesis intending to be "european supremacy and imperialism = bad and not real" and then spooling around that like cotton candy instead of having it come out a little more natural. like it's sort of like he wrote a book to debunk the more popular 80s/90s idiocy of european supremacy it was very much like capitalism or proto-capitalism/feudalism/monarchocapitalism = bad and self-destructing and that europeans are terrible people inflicting mass suffering in their wake, this was pretty clearly spelled out many times over. there is certainly a lot that diamond did not do right or well, but he set out, very specifically, to disprove the notion of 'european supremacy' and phrenology-biotruth poo poo that is/was all the rage amongst libs n think-tankers and point out no white europeans bad, and he uses a lot of material historicalism to do so. this is much less useful in tyool 2020 than in 1995 Xaris has issued a correction as of 06:58 on Sep 26, 2020 |
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Sep 26, 2020 06:56
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Fly Molo posted:Claudius = Fishmech i dont know anything about roman history so im just going to interpret this as a compliment, as i do all attention negative or positive
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Sep 26, 2020 08:10
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ToxicAcne posted:I guess the closest comparison to the Aztec empire would be the Delian league? heck, it wasn't as codified in religion/marriage or feudal duties but i'm sure there are paralells with contemporary france under the weak monarchy of the late middle ages
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Sep 26, 2020 08:11
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cumshitter posted:i dont know anything about roman history so im just going to interpret this as a compliment, as i do all attention negative or positive wise philosopher young at heart good with money really nice to ur large adult son even though he’s a bit of a fuckup yup ur marcus aurelius 
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Sep 26, 2020 08:24
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I feel with Hadrian's well known love of twinky boys and sensible economics makes him a closer fit.
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Sep 26, 2020 08:35
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ToxicAcne posted:Actually looking back at some of those threads, the explanation was that his thesis ignores the agency of indigenous peoples and the role of social relations in the conquest. I.e how Cortes and Pizzaro got insanely lucky or how the destruction of the Aztec and Incan Empires relied more on how much their enemies hated them than any technological superiority by the Spanish. Pizarro invaded the Inca empire right when they were reenacting season two of Game of Thrones.
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Sep 26, 2020 09:12
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Alhazred posted:Pizarro invaded the Inca empire right when they were reenacting season two of Game of Thrones. preenacting...?
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Sep 26, 2020 09:15
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Zore posted:My favorite is still the time God ambushes Moses in the middle of the night and tries to kill him only to be stopped when Moses' wife circumcises their son and wards God off using the bloody foreskin. i looked this up and it's even more interesting! this is like the one time that i think the KJV provides illumination, conversely because of its ambiguity on pronouns http://www.kjvtoday.com/home/is-the-kjv-confusing-in-exodus-424-26 i really don't know the doctrinal answer for this verse but this was nice and neat
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Sep 26, 2020 10:09
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Kanine posted:what's possibly the most harmful destructive single thing you could introduce into the ancient world? distilled liquor
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Sep 26, 2020 10:15
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Wonder if at some point in medieval Andalusia a Muslim chemist showed his Christian counterpart this cool device for concentrating medicines and the Christian goes "could we put wine in that thing?"
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Sep 26, 2020 10:17
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Fly Molo posted:wise philosopher ok i accept this, so long as it is praise
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Sep 26, 2020 11:04
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platzapS posted:distilled liquor Imagine Caligula with 14% wine.
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Sep 26, 2020 11:20
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platzapS posted:Wonder if at some point in medieval Andalusia a Muslim chemist showed his Christian counterpart this cool device for concentrating medicines and the Christian goes "could we put wine in that thing?" considering that Andulsian Muslims belonged to the Zahiri school, I wouldn't think they'd need a Christian counterpart lol
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Sep 26, 2020 11:54
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ToxicAcne posted:Actually looking back at some of those threads, the explanation was that his thesis ignores the agency of indigenous peoples and the role of social relations in the conquest. I.e how Cortes and Pizzaro got insanely lucky or how the destruction of the Aztec and Incan Empires relied more on how much their enemies hated them than any technological superiority by the Spanish. Yeah in the case of Aztec empire without Indian allies providing troops and more importantly supplies it would have been impossible for Cortez to conquer the Aztec empire. Even at his peak his force by historical estimates was only 1200 - 1400 European soldiers. Most of it was due to how similar to the US the Aztec Empire was a hegemony that was making lives really miserable for all the neighboring kingdoms due to things like constant "Flower War" invasions and having to pay constant tribute. For the Incan Empire Pizarro was lucky enough to invade and exploit a succession crisis since the two sons of the previous Inca ruler didn't get along.
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Sep 26, 2020 12:39
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Atrocious Joe posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7JYGOhgnKc Good channel, especially the stuff about pagan religions and mystery cults
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Sep 26, 2020 13:12
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does anyone know where I can buy a strigil? I want to exfoliate more but I don’t like loofahs this one seems expensive, and possibly child-sized? twoday has issued a correction as of 13:16 on Sep 26, 2020 |
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Sep 26, 2020 13:13
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WoodrowSkillson posted:Regardless of anything, the romans would have all been amazing posters. The ability to poo poo talk anyone at any time is essentially heaven on earth to a bunch of them Imagine if Juvenal could post in CSPAM.
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Sep 26, 2020 13:16
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etalian posted:Imagine if Catullus could post in CSPAM. e: pretty similar to avshalom I assume
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Sep 26, 2020 14:00
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I read GGS in HS and I remember talking with my older brother about it, who hated it because it didn't give enough credit to European capitalism, and to this day I'm baffled as to how 1500s Spain qualified as meaningfully capitalist.ToxicAcne posted:I guess the closest comparison to the Aztec empire would be the Delian league? I've liked the comparison to the UN myself. Flavius Aetass posted:the same could be said for the sumerians, or the greeks There are...several times where a broad culture gets flattened into a single empire due to either lack of clarity in a textbook or because of a video game contrivance. Sumerians, Greeks, Mayans, and Gauls being the most obvious to me, and Celts getting a bonus round due to some pseudohistory shenanigans that have spread about them. e: We all know the most powerful poster would be Diogenes, while Plato would be in some libcult on Twitter.
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Sep 26, 2020 14:07
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Tulip posted:
The UN doesn’t go around asking you to pay up if you don’t want them to smash up the place.
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Sep 26, 2020 14:21
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Wow some great advice for CSPAM quote:Why not whip the teacher when the pupil misbehaves?
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