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Soricidus posted:love the car shaped waste product tho thank you for saving the planet!!  #libthought #consumerpower
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Sagebrush posted:https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1309390263333289986 for the good of society, we need to delete social media
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Roosevelt posted:for the good of society, it was necessary to delete society
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gschmidl posted:He posted the bill, more than half of it is work time, the rest is material. I was going to ask how the hell would you have labor in the thousands to replace a control arm, but then I remember oh yeah it failed so it probably hosed up a huge portion of the car.
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more good news, when you have a catastrophic failure in a control arm like that, when you're crashing or flying through the ditch or whatever there is a very, very high chance that you're overstressing all the _other_ control arms and linkages and bushings too. so now you've taken eight more aluminum aerogel parts way past their stress threshold but its all invisible to a casual inspection
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Jonny 290 posted:more good news, when you have a catastrophic failure in a control arm like that, when you're crashing or flying through the ditch or whatever there is a very, very high chance that you're overstressing all the _other_ control arms and linkages and bushings too. so now you've taken eight more aluminum aerogel parts way past their stress threshold but its all invisible to a casual inspection i’m sure the tesla service procedures for such an event mandate a thorough examination of the parts in question if not simple preventative replacement. 
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MomJeans420 posted:I was going to ask how the hell would you have labor in the thousands to replace a control arm, but then I remember oh yeah it failed so it probably hosed up a huge portion of the car. Ok, let's see. These are all parts that needed to be replaced...    coming to a total of CHF 2991.15. Add to that labor costs of CHF 4037.50 (an hour apparently costs 210) and VAT, for a total of CHF 7569.90.
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SIGSEGV posted:That's not doing much to get me enraged, and still confused at the stupidity of the extruded car product. extruded would be a massive improvement (some motorcycle frames, to pick one example, have been made that way since the 80s), this poo poo looks like it was cast in a first-year metalwork class and kept around by the teacher as a demonstration of just how badly somebody who knows nothing about what they're doing can gently caress up i assume that you could make cast aluminium parts that were good enough for the purpose and they might even be marginally cheaper than forged/extruded/machined because there's a lot less work involved, but also that you'd have to qa the *poo poo* out of them compared to the other methods and musk only heard the first half of that sentence.
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Sep 26, 2020 19:11
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those loving nord lock washers. Yes, they are cool and every C student junior engineer thinks they solve every problem in the world. Of loving course tesla would use them instead of like, castle nuts and poo poo.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:i assume that you could make cast aluminium parts that were good enough for the purpose and they might even be marginally cheaper than forged/extruded/machined because there's a lot less work involved, but also that you'd have to qa the *poo poo* out of them compared to the other methods and musk only heard the first half of that sentence. imagine trying to convince musk to buy a $27 million x-ray machine to inspect the load bearing drywall that he's trying to build cars out of
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Sep 26, 2020 19:16
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gschmidl posted:Ok, let's see. These are all parts that needed to be replaced... i'm the um. Stundenverrechnungssatz
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Sep 26, 2020 19:56
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I'm the piss tire
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Sep 26, 2020 19:59
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goddamnedtwisto posted:extruded would be a massive improvement (some motorcycle frames, to pick one example, have been made that way since the 80s), this poo poo looks like it was cast in a first-year metalwork class and kept around by the teacher as a demonstration of just how badly somebody who knows nothing about what they're doing can gently caress up yeah it's really baffling because casting aluminum is a solved problem and has been for half a century. "alloy" wheels are all cast aluminum and only the absolute cheapest garbage ones ever fail in use. you have to design the part correctly, probably oversize it somewhat because casting is inherently weaker than forging etc, but there is no inherent reason that you couldn't make a suitably strong cast control arm. you cannot simply take a part that was designed for forging and make a sand mold of it and cast it and expect it to withstand the same loads. the part has to be redesigned from scratch for the new material and process. also, if your process is generating parts full of voids and grit and crud, you need to fix it. those are errors in the process, not inherent parts of it.
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Sagebrush posted:yeah it's really baffling because casting aluminum is a solved problem and has been for half a century. "alloy" wheels are all cast aluminum and only the absolute cheapest garbage ones ever fail in use. Look at this staticailure who isn't disruptive in the slightest! 
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i used the word Inherent three times in that post. that's too many.
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Sep 26, 2020 20:19
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gschmidl posted:Ok, let's see. These are all parts that needed to be replaced... I take it back, based on my limited guessing at the parts that doesn't seem like it should be THAT much labor, unless they're repainting the rocker panel and other pieces. 19.2 hrs of labor to replace six pieces of the suspension, some cosmetic parts, a hose, and a 2 tube assembly(?) seems excessive
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Sagebrush posted:yeah it's really baffling because casting aluminum is a solved problem and has been for half a century. "alloy" wheels are all cast aluminum and only the absolute cheapest garbage ones ever fail in use. ive seen youtube garage hobbyists cast better aluminum parts (less foamy) from melted soda cans
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PokeJoe posted:ive seen youtube garage hobbyists cast better aluminum parts (less foamy) from melted soda cans yep every time that tweet comes up i instantly think about the backyard forge dudes that melt down cans in a paint bucket with used motor oil as fuel and how they cast higher quality aluminum than the pics included in that tweet
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MomJeans420 posted:I take it back, based on my limited guessing at the parts that doesn't seem like it should be THAT much labor, unless they're repainting the rocker panel and other pieces. 19.2 hrs of labor to replace six pieces of the suspension, some cosmetic parts, a hose, and a 2 tube assembly(?) seems excessive You need to set up the tent too
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Sep 26, 2020 21:36
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they didnt even give him any rabatt for having a lovely car
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Sep 26, 2020 22:02
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tesla announced their new battery innovation: batteries that hold 5 times the power of their current ones! (because they are five times larger)
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That bill would be void in germany by the way. Every work step has to be billed in AW (0.1 Hour units) you can't just slap 20 hours on a bill and call it done. You have to detail what step will take how many AW so the customer doesn't get billed 4 hours of labor to tighten a bolt. Swiss problems require swiss solutions and all... But still even the Kostenvoranschlag is a joke. What the gently caress is general diagnostics. Shits broken yo, why you bill 200 switzerinos for that. Also lol that they replaced the airbag under warranty. Where are the people screaming that warranty ends at the warranty period. Combat Theory fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Sep 27, 2020 |
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what if, instead, tesla hired people to help people with their new cars? perhaps they could help sell the cars, too
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lol crowd sourcing your customer support like a capital driven user group
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tesla, the first car in 80 years to have a kickstarter
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Endless Mike posted:what if, instead, tesla hired people to help people with their new cars? perhaps they could help sell the cars, too you can’t pay people to love the car. they have to pay you.
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Sagebrush posted:https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1309390263333289986 lmao yes. https://twitter.com/justinboldaji/status/1310069693609209856 how does anyone who meets him not just immediately give him a huge wedgie
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Sep 27, 2020 11:23
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that’s also my favourite monty python skit  gently caress
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bump_fn posted:lmao yes. the fremdschämen is palpable
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jesus WEP posted:that’s also my favourite monty python skit Just switch to the cycling tour episode.
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jesus WEP posted:that’s also my favourite monty python skit I think you’re good as long as you don’t go around forcing your coworkers to watch it multiple times unsolicited.
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Aahaha I had no idea how common these suspension problems are. https://mobile.twitter.com/kaSper1G/status/1227198760532533250 https://mobile.twitter.com/Freshfuel1/status/1306058456240136192 https://mobile.twitter.com/howdoesthiswor/status/1227289553897172994
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bump_fn posted:lmao yes. i remember maybe a year or two ago when he was on a call with reporters about some really important tesla development, and if he didnt like the question, he'd cut them off saying "boring. next." if you ever encounter elon on the road, kick him really hard in the nads
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Jonny 290 posted:tesla, the first car in 80 years to have a kickstarter
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Roosevelt posted:i remember maybe a year or two ago when he was on a call with reporters about some really important tesla development, and if he didnt like the question, he'd cut them off saying "boring. next." quote:After answering dense, dry questions from Wall Street analysts, Musk appeared to reach his limit midway through the call. During an exchange between an analyst and Deepak Ahuja, Tesla’s chief financial officer, about capital expenditures, Musk interrupted suddenly.
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I hope grimes has moved back to Canada and that she takes half his money.
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