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Cybernetic Vermin posted:glib is far less popular and mature than objective-c though, probably should get off that stuff Not the Linux port.
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horrible broken poo poo is what i've adapted to over decades and this other thing which is obviously better is different from what i'm used to. i would have to learn something new and i'm done learning, therefore the new thing is pointless useless poo poo. why do you even try to make things, it's literally impossible to make anything better than what i already know. if it wasn't the best possible way to make software i wouldn't have learned it, shitlords -- every programmer over the age of 28
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Nomnom Cookie posted:horrible broken poo poo is what i've adapted to over decades and this other thing which is obviously better is different from what i'm used to. i would have to learn something new and i'm done learning, therefore the new thing is pointless useless poo poo. why do you even try to make things, it's literally impossible to make anything better than what i already know. if it wasn't the best possible way to make software i wouldn't have learned it, shitlords if you want an alternative to c for embedded just use rust or something. apple is good because they focus only on apple. using apple stuff on nonapple? lol
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Nomnom Cookie posted:horrible broken poo poo is what i've adapted to over decades and this other thing which is obviously better is different from what i'm used to. i would have to learn something new and i'm done learning, therefore the new thing is pointless useless poo poo. why do you even try to make things, it's literally impossible to make anything better than what i already know. if it wasn't the best possible way to make software i wouldn't have learned it, shitlords 
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:if you want an alternative to c for embedded just use rust or something. apple is good because they focus only on apple. using apple stuff on nonapple? lol Modern C++ >= 14, QT, Rust, or Python 3.8 are all good for embedded Linux. Even Go can be OK if you don’t need 3rd party libraries.
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sounds almost like you do this for a living
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Tankakern posted:sounds almost like you do this for a living I do indeed write terrible embedded applications for a living.
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ratbert90 posted:Using software from random people is fine if the project is popular, mature, and well maintained. Swift on Linux is none of those things. pinephone is none of those things and this thread is falling over itself in praise
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carry on then posted:pinephone is none of those things and this thread is falling over itself in praise who’s praising pinephone lol that poo poo sounds like an offbrand prop in a sitcom
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:who’s praising pinephone lol that poo poo sounds like an offbrand prop in a sitcom I think he means this thread is falling over itself to say “heh, open sores am I right?  ”
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Also can you even build swift for architectures other than X86_64 for Linux? Let alone use the swift compiler to cross-compile applications?
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carry on then posted:linux users, in two posts: who do you think writes windows
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AS AN EMBEDDED DEVELOPER, I think that tiresome gotchas about oohhh i bet its really hard to crosscompile!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! about every single new library kinda miss the point, but on the other hand it does loving suck immensely when two bit dipshits and sometimes people who really should know better want to idk run some lovely touchscreen with electron because they refuse to consider anything other than javascript. i hope swift system is good and does well, i think it's a reasonable target to strive for, but i still probably wouldn't use it until it got some more real world usage
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i honestly do think that objective-c gets weirdly little respect in this though, gcc was the reference implementation for decades (from the start in fact, though the modifications were only opened in 97 or so i think), meaning that linux is first-class (arguably more so than osx). when you get to the clang implementation it becomes more of a clear-cut apple thing, but even there i doubt anyone really turns down the rest of clang, and part of the beauty of objective-c is that there is not a whole lot to it other than being a better c+oo system than c++. also lol at calling python 3.8 a reliable well-maintained piece of software, i am quite sure they are due for breaking poo poo for no reason any moment again.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:i honestly do think that objective-c gets weirdly little respect in this though, gcc was the reference implementation for decades (from the start in fact, though the modifications were only opened in 97 or so i think), they were opened up when NeXT shipped them quote:meaning that linux is first-class (arguably more so than osx). Linux didn’t exist when NeXT added Objective-C support to GCC the best part is in the frameworks and that’s where the non-NeXT community really dropped the ball, GNUstep was a thing and but the Linux world decided that Qt and GTK+ were what it wanted instead
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I really loved WindowMaker as my desktop environment back when "desktop integration" wasn't really a thing and notification bars were only for Windows. It would be interesting to consider just how much work would need to be done to get WindowMaker to feature parity with the latest version of Gnome desktop.
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starbucks hermit posted:I really loved WindowMaker as my desktop environment back when "desktop integration" wasn't really a thing and notification bars were only for Windows. i think this very heavily depends on what you consider feature parity, if getting notifications icons to work that's certainly covered by some dockapp. weirdly enough windowmaker is not written in objective-c, despite being part of gnustep.
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the only linux with desktop integration is chromeos
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yeah wondow maker works fine, there's a systray dockapp that houses dumb poo poo that has to live in a tray for some reason like nm-applet and whatever chat app you use, and everything else has sorta just worked since the 90s but otoh, even windows is almost at feature parity with wmaker now, so why not run kde and be 20 years in the future again? you can probably make it behave like afterstep with a script if that makes you feel at more at home and keep all the goodies Soricidus posted:the only linux with desktop integration is chromeos no, spyware isn't the only requirement for integration, shaggar
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Thanks for the posts. I'm almost, almost, curious enough to actually try getting windowmaker to run on my Linux desktop.
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esr made slashdot again Eric S. Raymond: Is Microsoft Switching To a Linux Kernel That Emulates Windows?
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im little nostalgic of reading slashdot and being 12 lemme tell you about perl and free software
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tankakern why do you post so many links to cursed websites
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aww slashdot no longer has article icons. how sad.
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BobHoward posted:tankakern why do you post so many links to cursed websites there's nothing left than cursed content nowadays we have to face the real world, one tangentially linux related benchmark at a time
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ratbert90 posted:Modern C++ >= 14, QT, Rust, or Python 3.8 are all good for embedded Linux. Even Go can be OK if you don’t need 3rd party libraries. oddly of all the things I’ve crosscompiled Python libraries that require C code seem to have been the most annoying
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hobbesmaster posted:oddly of all the things I’ve crosscompiled Python libraries that require C code seem to have been the most annoying Agreed.
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it doesn’t make any sense either Python: great C libraries: great combine the two? train wreck
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99% of those are just the setup.py file hardcoding all the various paths.
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i get why it exists but it does seem like a mistake to have distributed-as-source-code, compile-at-install-time c extensions especially since cpython makes some c abi guarantees
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ratbert90 posted:99% of those are just the setup.py file hardcoding all the various paths. been wrestling with this at dayjob too - do you have any examples of good Python libraries with C extensions that cross-compile well? I haven't been able to crack that nut without a bunch of crazy custom poo poo
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hobbesmaster posted:it doesn’t make any sense either the first half of the antecedent is the mistake here.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:the first half of the antecedent is the mistake here. usually you just need to ./configure with the appropriate target and prefix
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:aww slashdot no longer has article icons. how sad. They're in the top right of the header now, and kind of hard to see. It looks like they changed it from borg bill gates to "micorsoft" in black text at some point in the past ten years so that website is well and truly dead.
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what was it, hot grits in natalie portman's pants or something? god that site.
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have you meta moderated recently?
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speaking of slashdot troll culture one of biden’s cybersecurity advisers got outed as gnaa associated lol
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PCjr sidecar posted:speaking of slashdot troll culture one of biden’s cybersecurity advisers got outed as gnaa associated lol amazing
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