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Private Speech posted:Yeah that's the biggest issue with Canada. The UK does the same thing to non-EU folks (and soon to be, well, everyone) if it makes you feel any better? Not that I expect it does. It's also how it works in NZ. You can get in without having employment lined up but the points threshold you have to reach is higher - like you need a degree plus experience in a field which is short on people. For Canada you can get extra points if you speak French, but even coming from England you need to do a test to prove you can speak, read, write and listen to English. For somebody who can't speak French, expect to just get in past this threshold if you have a masters degree plus like 6 years experience in a related field. If you're at this level you can get into "Express Entry" in Canada which gives you permanent resident status straight away, not dependent on a job. I think for some stuff like if you're an HGV driver you don't need the degree, and in other fields too you can show that you have equivalent experience to education but it can be a pain in the arse. If you're a teacher, nurse, doctor, firefighter etc. then I believe it's easier but I'm not sure whether they have to line you up with a job or not first.
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WhatEvil posted:It's also how it works in NZ. You can get in without having employment lined up but the points threshold you have to reach is higher - like you need a degree plus experience in a field which is short on people. For Canada you can get extra points if you speak French, but even coming from England you need to do a test to prove you can speak, read, write and listen to English. Though that's a lot of great information it really is the labour market test which is the biggest obstacle - it means that the job has to be advertised nationwide for a certain period of time (a number of months) and there have to be no suitable candidates, even if they would be inferior to a foreign applicant. I'm not quite sure if you were talking about it specifically since you never mentioned it, but it's a much bigger obstacle than simply having "a job lined up". Getting a job offer is otherwise comparatively trivial for anyone qualified (or even relatively unqualified, really). Private Speech fucked around with this message at 02:53 on Sep 28, 2020 |
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Private Speech posted:Yeah that's the biggest issue with Canada. The UK does the same thing to non-EU folks (and soon to be, well, everyone) if it makes you feel any better? Not that I expect it does. It is actually possible to get an employer to go through this process - it's actually how we ended up in Canada. Takes a lot of luck though, to be in the right kind of job where a company can and wants to do it. In our case, tech sector and relatively specialised, not entry level that's for sure. We technically met the criteria for express entry otherwise, but even if you meet the criteria you have to get a high number of points to be above the cut off that would actually be offered a visa. We had points for lots of work experience and/or degrees, english language ability but I guess lost some for being older (older as in, over 35). Having the job offer meant we met the criteria for provincial nomination and bumped us basically to the top of the list. If you're under 31 you can get an international experience visa which lets you work as a temporary worker, and many people use to to get TWP extensions and ultimately permanent residency. Gyro Zeppeli posted:In maybe the proliest statement I could possibly make: I save Iceland for Christmas where I go and ram my entire freezer with party food and make it last well into January. I miss iceland party food 
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I think people should be able to live wherever they want
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Private Speech posted:Though that's a lot of great information it really is the labour market test which is the biggest obstacle - it means that the job has to be advertised nationwide for a certain period of time (a number of months) and there have to be no suitable candidates, even if they would be inferior to a foreign applicant. I'm not quite sure if you were talking about it specifically since you never mentioned it, but it's a much bigger obstacle than simply having "a job lined up". Getting a job offer is otherwise comparatively trivial for anyone qualified (or even relatively unqualified, really). Yeah so there are ways to get in if you don't mind applying to live and work in a particular province (for 3 years I think?). You set up a profile and you have to have the basics (language requirements, health, skills/experience etc.) and then you can say something like "I would like to apply for the provincial nominee program" or something, and you can then get offers from the provinces without having a Labour Market Impact Assessed job offer. Importantly there's a shortage of unskilled labour in Canada, including stuff like truck drivers, food service workers and stuff. Basically if you really want to get in and you have some level of skilled work experience or half decent qualifications (including vocational ones), or even if you don't, I would recommend going to a Canadian immigration fair, such as Canada Live: https://www.canadalive.co.uk/event-birmingham.php (tickets are £16) and having a chat with an immigration advisor there, who will talk briefly through your skills and experience and be able to direct you to how you would be able to get in. Of course I'm not sure if immigration fairs are happening right now with Covid and all. For context, my wife and I did it through Express Entry (with her Engineering degree and experience) which got us to Permanent Resident status, but prior to going for that program they did say that for both NZ and Canadian immigration that they could justify my joinery experience as meeting the requirements, despite having no qualifications. For NZ they said that I would have to do a trade examination which I would have been able to do remotely by video, get a rubber stamp and then count the same as a fully qualified (degree equivalency) joiner for the sake of the NZ woodworking industry. Also you might be surprised what counts as a skilled worker for immigration purposes, some perhaps surprising examples from the Canadian immigration program: Administrators – post-secondary education and vocational training Human resources professionals Administrative assistants Executive assistants Conference and event planners Computer network technicians User support technicians Information systems testing technicians Social workers Musicians and singers Graphic arts technicians Photographers Cooks Bakers So it's not all like, high level executives and engineers and scientists and stuff. It's more flexible than you might think. It is however somewhat expensive - the whole process will end up costing you something like £4k per person if you do it all yourself, or about double that if you use an immigration lawyer for it - we did it all ourselves and only used a lawyer for something more complicated right at the end, which cost us £400. Most of the process is pretty easy and there are Facebook groups and stuff to help guide you through the tricky parts. It will also take a long time, like maybe 2 years. The £4k cost is spread out over that time period rather than all at once, though. Ms Adequate posted:I think people should be able to live wherever they want I agree. WhatEvil fucked around with this message at 06:38 on Sep 28, 2020 |
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I used to think about moving to St. Helena, wee bit isolated though. When I was looking they still hadn't built their airport, but apparently it's been open for 4 years. And obviously the best supermarket is the one nearest to you.
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Worth bearing in mind that lots of global companies have English as the working language so you don't have to be fluent in the local language to work there. Obviously you want to get as good as possible to avoid being a terrible ex-pat, and the downside is working for a global corporation, but if you're thinking about moving abroad you don't have to restrict yourself to anglophone countries.
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I'M A ASDURS SMART PRICE BOY  Robot Mil posted:I miss iceland party food https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2FJITNSlCQ crispix fucked around with this message at 08:23 on Sep 28, 2020 |
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Andy Burnham on R4 this morning: 10pm Curfews don't work, they just spit everyone out onto the street at the same time where people gather and make people drink at home more Also Andy Burnham on R4 this morning: 9pm Curfew on supermarket alcohol sales
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Iceland is amazing value and people don't talk about it enough. I have never gone in there and not been surprised in a good way on reaching the tills. I used to shop loads at Iceland when I was younger and couldn't cook. My housemate at the time used to call it my "yellow food diet". For that stuff it is very cheap though. Dogatron posted:Aldi or Liddle, you rich gently caress. Check out this poser, doesn't even know how to spell Lidl. Go back to your waitrose! Mega Comrade fucked around with this message at 08:59 on Sep 28, 2020 |
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This *definitely* won't cause people to not bother getting tested, no sir.
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Sep 28, 2020 08:36
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All those memes about curtain twitchers reporting
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Doccykins posted:Andy Burnham on R4 this morning: 10pm Curfews don't work, they just spit everyone out onto the street at the same time where people gather and make people drink at home more the supermarket is not a social venue where people congregate though is it. there will be no mass of customers being pushed onto the streets / public transport at once when closing time comes. cutting off alcohol sales in off licences would be to stop people getting supplies for a house party or to hang out in the park after they've left the pub.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:This *definitely* won't cause people to not bother getting tested, no sir. is there any good reason that checks aren't already mandatory when requested by the NHS T&T other than the chronic lack of supply & testing capacity? I expect that'll change if the capacity situation is ever sorted out (big if)
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Cerv posted:the supermarket is not a social venue where people congregate though is it. there will be no mass of customers being pushed onto the streets / public transport at once when closing time comes. Yeah, people are definitely not going to buy the supermarket booze before going to the pub
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Doccykins posted:Yeah, people are definitely not going to buy the supermarket booze before going to the pub The point isn't to stop people drinking, the point is to stop people gathering in the streets drinking. If you have to go home to get your bevvy that decreases the chances you'll come back to the city centre to party. It won't deter everyone but it's not the worst idea.
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Doccykins posted:Yeah, people are definitely not going to buy the supermarket booze before going to the pub it's mitigation, not elimination. if they did ban off sales entirely (like South Africa earlier the pandemic) you'd rightly complain that is draconian. taken together arguments against any minor restriction plus against any severe restriction is just arguing for nothing to be done. don't think that'll work out well in the long run.
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Cerv posted:is there any good reason that checks aren't already mandatory when requested by the NHS T&T other than the chronic lack of supply & testing capacity? You could certainly make an argument that forcing a covid test is equivalent to forcing breath/blood tests for alcohol - a fairly big breach of personal freedom for the greater good (the greater good) - but I could see a *lot* of people revolting against it especially now. If this "moonshot" thing was ever anything more than a medical Garden Bridge, made up on the hoof as a way of giving shitloads of money to donors with no expectation of delivery, then that would be an interesting way of doing it without making the tests "mandatory" - i.e. you only have to have a test if you want to interact with society in any meaningful way, you're free to go forage in the woods and sleep in a bivouac if you don't want testing. However the real reason is forcing people who have a higher-than-background risk of being infected to get tested would drive up the numbers and there's at least one Number that even Sunak doesn't want to see go Up.
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Does that mean we get two days off for Hogmanay and the disestablishment of the church?
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Guavanaut posted:Does that mean we get two days off for Hogmanay and the disestablishment of the church? You get to ask where people went to school though so swings and roundabouts.
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forkboy84 posted:The point isn't to stop people drinking, the point is to stop people gathering in the streets drinking. If you have to go home to get your bevvy that decreases the chances you'll come back to the city centre to party. It won't deter everyone but it's not the worst idea. I meant anyone with the semblance of being able to plan for a night 'out out' will just buy a multi pack and bring it in a rucksack Cerv posted:it's mitigation, not elimination. I think the enforcement of table service only & booking/requiring contact details helps restrict transmission but throwing everyone out of every pub and restarurant at the same time is a poor imposition because instead of staggered leaving times everyone using night time services is then ferried onto buses/trains departing at the same time (or, alternatively, stay out and gather/mingle/loiter). 10pm also massively restricts retaurants running two sittings (normally 7.30-9 and 9-10.30 in the before times) and practically halves a lot of restaurant capacity (on top of the distance restrictions)
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I got a letter from the ONS offering me £50 to take a covid test and then £25 for each followup they do over a period of 4-12 months as part of their statistical modelling. I could be on for £300 for this which is pretty good. It had a fancy "on her majesty's service" envelope as well.
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I am not going to download the app. On supermarkets again, the reason i would prefer tesco's over aldi/lidl in some circumstances is the reduced food bin which introduces an element of excitement and chance and sometimes physical sport in fighting off the other vultures. For someone who has run out of culinary ideas a long time ago and would often just wander around supermarkets contemplating what is food, the discount bin can give you a good meal starting point. Doccykins posted:I meant anyone with the semblance of being able to plan for a night 'out out' will just buy a multi pack and bring it in a rucksack I would not even know how to begin to plan for a night out. Powerful Two-Hander posted:I got a letter from the ONS offering me £50 to take a covid test and then £25 for each followup they do over a period of 4-12 months as part of their statistical modelling. I could be on for £300 for this which is pretty good. You can also sign up other people in your household if they want to and they can get the same, even kids. NotJustANumber99 fucked around with this message at 09:27 on Sep 28, 2020 |
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Bob Moron seems to spend his entire time terrified of the state doing anything that isn't bombing brown people. He's like a petrified little babby.
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Guavanaut posted:Bob Moron seems to spend his entire time terrified of the state doing anything that isn't bombing brown people. He's like a petrified little babby. Where can I get one of those glass cubes?
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I called to register after getting one of those letters 6 weeks ago and haven't heard back since. I want my vouchers damnit
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stev posted:Where can I get one of those glass cubes? Pet shop, fish tank?
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StarkingBarfish posted:I called to register after getting one of those letters 6 weeks ago and haven't heard back since. I want my vouchers damnit Took them a few weeks to get in touch with me but I’ve had a couple of tests now. You get a voucher which you can redeem against a long list. 
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Guavanaut posted:Bob Moron seems to spend his entire time terrified of the state doing anything that isn't bombing brown people. He's like a petrified little babby. I always preferred Matt's cartoons in the Daily Torygraph. The looked better for a start.
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 The Question IRL posted:I always preferred Matt's cartoons in the Daily Torygraph. The looked better for a start.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Iceland is amazing value and people don't talk about it enough. I have never gone in there and not been surprised in a good way on reaching the tills. They still do them at mine (the meatballs) & it's not a big shop. Iceland loving rules, don't think I've ever had their steaks or what have you but their fresh veg etc is way better than the Sainsburys 2 mins away from it. YMMV. And they do Longley Farm cottage cheese, which is the only cottage cheese worth eating.
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:They have our printers. I went in to one of their distribution warehouses in the south because "smoke was coming out of it". Turn up and a load of bits of the machine are missing, and very much turn around and say "I am not touching this". Plus they put printers in the chilled sections of the warehouses and that's just loving dumb I wish our customers would install our gear in chilled warehouses. I mean not really, condensation would be bad. But still, cool your hot stuff people!
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