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Sep 28, 2020 13:27
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gently caress off, idiot
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Sep 28, 2020 13:27
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Exactly which US law allows the arbitrary detainment based on ethnicity? You know, like what China is doing right now.
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Sep 28, 2020 13:29
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rudatron posted:Leftists: People should have the right to self-determination free of Imperialism you seem really mad whenever people in asia leave the grasp of their oppressors why is that?
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Sep 28, 2020 13:30
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rudatron posted:Exactly which US law allows the arbitrary detainment based on ethnicity? You know, like what China is doing right now. i guess american minorities are just uniquely criminal huh?
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Sep 28, 2020 13:32
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uninterrupted posted:you seem really mad whenever people in asia leave the grasp of their oppressors why is that? Are you wearing a tophat and a monocle right now? rudatron posted:I hope they do, and I hope they recognize your attempts to relitigate (irrelevant) probation of an opponent, as a blatant attempt, by you, to derail and distract. Something you wouldn't be doing, if you had anything meaningful to say, on the current topic. It is a pretty bad rap sheet, dude.
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Sep 28, 2020 13:33
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rudatron posted:Exactly which US law allows the arbitrary detainment based on ethnicity? You know, like what China is doing right now. Well if you look at the Chinese constitution you will find that minority rights are in fact guaranteed, so no discrimination can be happening. Check and mate.
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Sep 28, 2020 13:33
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genericnick posted:Well if you look at the Chinese constitution you will find that minority rights are in fact guaranteed, so no discrimination can be happening. Check and mate. this.
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Sep 28, 2020 13:34
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Most people convicted and sent to jail don't even get trials, they're pressured into plea deals by prosecutors. A huge amount are in prison pre-trial and can't meet bail. Then there's the concentration camps for migrants on the US border. But yeah sure, everyone the US imprisons is a criminal
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Sep 28, 2020 13:38
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rudatron posted:It imprisons people who commit crimes, you cannot be sent to jail purely for your ethnicity, and it's absurd to suggest otherwise. lmao forever
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Sep 28, 2020 13:39
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genericnick posted:Well if you look at the Chinese constitution you will find that minority rights are in fact guaranteed, so no discrimination can be happening. Check and mate. uninterrupted posted:you seem really mad whenever people in asia leave the grasp of their oppressors why is that?
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Sep 28, 2020 13:41
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Chomskyan posted:Most people convicted and sent to jail don't even get trials, they're pressured into plea deals by prosecutors. A huge amount are in prison pre-trial and can't meet bail. Then there's the concentration camps for migrants on the US border. But yeah sure, everyone the US imprisons is a criminal
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Sep 28, 2020 13:45
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rudatron posted:I hope they do, and I hope they recognize your attempts to relitigate (irrelevant) probation of an opponent, as a blatant attempt, by you, to derail and distract. Something you wouldn't be doing, if you had anything meaningful to say, on the current topic.
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Sep 28, 2020 13:48
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Some Guy TT posted:i dont remember imperialists rationalizing the colonization of india and africa by saying they were brutal theocracies practicing serfdom I dunno why you don't remember it because they pretty much did. Charles Grant literally said it is their concern to "free" the Indian people "from the "evils" of "feudal oppression", etc etc then writes way too many words about how backwards their religion is. I don't want to be a dick about it but they just wrote so, so, so much about that. If you don't remember it then I really don't know what to tell you.
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Sep 28, 2020 13:49
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LOL the thing Chinese people find the most puzzling about whites is their Tom Buchanan obsession with racial purity and the need to establish homologous ethnostates in every part of the world. Successful multi-ethnic and multi-cultural countries are incomprehensible to them and must be destroyed at every opportunity. It's so loving bizarre that there's just no good response to it.
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Sep 28, 2020 13:50
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A country that is 91.6% the same ethnicity, and currently in the process of mass indoctrinating and persecuting ethnic and religious minorities, I think has very little to teach anyone about multi-ethnic or multi-cultural societies.
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Sep 28, 2020 13:54
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BrainDance posted:I dunno why you don't remember it because they pretty much did. Charles Grant literally said it is their concern to "free" the Indian people "from the "evils" of "feudal oppression", etc etc then writes way too many words about how backwards their religion is. ah yes how silly of me to forget about charles grant an architect of imperialism so prominent his wikipedia page was obviously written by an indian person who speaks english as a second language
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Sep 28, 2020 14:09
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the whole "but what have romans done for us joke" line of thinking is dumb bullshit, because you can just offer help to people outside your borders without also invading them at the same time i'm mostly ignorant about tibet's present or past issues but china helping tibetans remove feudalism doesn't excuse an occupation, imo
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Sep 28, 2020 14:20
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Truga posted:the whole "but what have romans done for us joke" line of thinking is dumb bullshit, because you can just offer help to people outside your borders without also invading them at the same time Tibetan separatism is pretty much wholly imported from the US the “occupation” talk is propaganda. same way people say russia “occupied” Crimea by allowing people to vote to leave their country, and vote to join Russia.
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Sep 28, 2020 14:39
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Some Guy TT posted:ah yes how silly of me to forget about charles grant an architect of imperialism so prominent his wikipedia page was obviously written by an indian person who speaks english as a second language He's moderately prominent but prominent enough that his name will come up if British imperialism or the East India Company is your thing, and yeah you should have at least not forgotten some of the stuff he's said if you are so sure of how the British talked about their imperialist adventures. I can't speak for his wiki being lovely (that's such a weird way to judge a historical character, I've never heard of that) but, you can check out what he wrote yourself if you want. This is the problem with this thread, and I know I've said this before but it's still true. I'm sure we got an India thread or a Kazakhstan thread or something, and I even have some opinions about modern India, but I don't post in those threads because I don't know poo poo about them now. Not enough that'd I'd think I should speak with absolutely any authority on them at all, at least. And here you are when faced with a British politician who said some poo poo that disagrees with you, on something that should be inconsequential, and you.... check out his wiki, decide it's a poo poo wiki, and so lol the guy doesn't matter. It's a weird thing to even disagree with, of course the British were jackasses about India.
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Sep 28, 2020 14:48
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Tibet was a happy and peaceful part of the Republic of China up until 1949 when it simultaneously became both independent and also under "Chinese occupation."
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Sep 28, 2020 14:51
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rudatron posted:It imprisons people who commit crimes, you cannot be sent to jail purely for your ethnicity, and it's absurd to suggest otherwise. Honky is prohibited
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Sep 28, 2020 15:00
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it was very fine posting by using ethnicity instead of race, but rudatron forgot about the black irish
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Sep 28, 2020 15:03
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they even made up b*llshit laws to prosecute big italian families
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Sep 28, 2020 15:06
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Throatwarbler posted:Tibet was a happy and peaceful part of the Republic of China up until 1949 when it simultaneously became both independent and also under "Chinese occupation." yeah so have a referendum then if it's so clear cut, this doesn't seem like a hard problem
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Sep 28, 2020 15:18
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Truga posted:yeah so have a referendum then if it's so clear cut, this doesn't seem like a hard problem What's this, Tibet voted for.....Brexit?
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Sep 28, 2020 15:21
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genericnick posted:What's this, Tibet voted for.....Brexit? yeah and now brexit is a comedy and a warning story for the kids. AND, brits get to have self-determination! everyone wins, really 
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Sep 28, 2020 15:23
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VomitOnLino posted:I'd just like to throw the fact out there, that unlike the glorious United States of America, to my knowledge, China has bombed exactly 0 people and has caused the displacement of exactly 0 people from their home-country. Also I find it very funny that Americans immediately start foaming at the mouth on the mention of "camps", how about you clean your own messes first America? Somebody forgot about vietnam
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Sep 28, 2020 15:31
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BrainDance posted:He's moderately prominent but prominent enough that his name will come up if British imperialism or the East India Company is your thing, and yeah you should have at least not forgotten some of the stuff he's said if you are so sure of how the British talked about their imperialist adventures. I can't speak for his wiki being lovely (that's such a weird way to judge a historical character, I've never heard of that) but, you can check out what he wrote yourself if you want. there are literally several centuries worth of british jackasses about india and most of them were jackasses for the very capitalist reason of exploiting laborers they didnt bother with the pretense of saying that serfdom and theocracy were bad when they had the much more straightforward justification of white supremacy and serfdom and theocracy improved their bottom line
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Sep 28, 2020 15:33
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Truga posted:yeah so have a referendum then if it's so clear cut, this doesn't seem like a hard problem people in tibet are perfectly fine being part of china but sure, have a referendum so whitey can get convinced and/or immediately call it invalid if the results aren’t what they want
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Sep 28, 2020 15:56
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a truly stirring defense of the US justice system by rudatron. looking forward to their return to this thread, that was the best thing posted in this thread in months
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Sep 28, 2020 15:58
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Why is Mongolia its own country btw, shouldn't they also be Chinese? China controlled that land until the Soviets stole it post ww2
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Sep 28, 2020 16:05
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The weirdest assertion so far itt is the idea that adults can't learn new languages. A process that millions undergo everyday and that dates back to the dawn of language itself.Grapplejack posted:Why is Mongolia its own country btw, shouldn't they also be Chinese? China controlled that land until the Soviets stole it post ww2 Would you please learn basic history before expounding on poo poo you obviously haven't read about Like seriously, wikipedia is right there
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Sep 28, 2020 16:16
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Grapplejack posted:Somebody forgot about vietnam Yeah, China did quite a few blatant dick moves. Backing Cambodia against Vietnam, that first border war against India.
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Sep 28, 2020 16:18
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https://twitter.com/MarkHiggie1/status/1309845732887846912 oh yeah, that'll show Xi Jinping
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Sep 28, 2020 16:20
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rename it “Winnie the Pooh City” in all english language publications for maximum pwnage
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Sep 28, 2020 16:21
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Dreddout posted:Would you please learn basic history before expounding on poo poo you obviously haven't read about Look they were ruled by the qing until the xinhai rebellion, China has plenty of claim to them. Same with Tibet.
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Sep 28, 2020 16:39
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Grapplejack posted:Look they were ruled by the qing until the xinhai rebellion, China has plenty of claim to them. Same with Tibet. Let's just suppose again that this is a good faith question. I already posted a few pages back that the modern state of Mongolia is a thing that was made up out of thin air by the Soviet Union in order to grab land and create a buffer state between it and China. More "Mongolians" live in China than in "Mongolia". The official language of Mongolia is written in Cyrillic while in China Mongolian is still taught in the old Tibetan script. It's basically an Eastern version of Moldova and basically has no reason to exist. The Chinese aren't making any noise about it because like most normal and sane countries in the world the People's Republic of China has no unresolved territorial disputes on land with any of its neighbors except for India. Since the PRC's territorial claims have generally remained consistent throughout its history, this is easily done as it is with virtually every other country in the world. US state media likes to paint China as some kind of suddenly resurgent 1930s Germany or Japan that's just making up new claims as it goes along. India claims to have a territorial dispute with China because it continues to make fantastical claims about basically 1/3 of Tibet actually having always been a part of [some Indian state from the 17th century or something]. China has no response to this since the already control effectively all the territory in question and the Indians can do nothing to alter this other than occasionally send some poorly clothed untouchables to get roughed up and then freeze to death in the dark after fleeing. The Chinese still lay claim to basically a few hill tops that Indians currently occupy but they're basically uninhabited and the Chinese would probably just let them be if the Indians would agree to some broader settlement of the border, since they're just referred to as "border disputes" and none of those random hilltops are "inseparable parts of China" like Taiwan is, but there is no advantage to India doing so since it costs them nothing to keep making their claims. Throatwarbler has issued a correction as of 17:36 on Sep 28, 2020 |
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Sep 28, 2020 17:34
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Rabelais D posted:What's your point here? The rich people got away with it (of course they did, capitalism is broken) so therefore we shouldn't even try to speak out against injustice, as is the case in China, where only foreign injustices are publicised? How is that true. It seems like China regularly fights against corruption (including private-public corruption) and is publicized. https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3044560/chinas-richest-tycoons-hit-debt-defaults-arrests-and-suicides https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/01/why-do-chinese-billionaires-keep-ending-up-in-prison/272633/ Imagine if we had a "kill pigs list" for our billionaires. But I guess for all we know is that this "corruption" is a power struggle between oligarchs.
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Sep 28, 2020 17:37
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Throatwarbler posted:Let's just suppose again that this is a good faith question. I already posted a few pages back that the modern state of Mongolia is a thing that was made up out of thin air by the Soviet Union in order to grab land and create a buffer state between it and China. More "Mongolians" live in China than in "Mongolia". The official language of Mongolia is written in Cyrillic while in China Mongolian is still taught in the old Tibetan script. It's basically an Eastern version of Moldova and basically has no reason to exist. Sort of. A large part of China's current claims are over sea areas rather than land, though they've had land dispute with most of their neighbors that didn't get resolved until relatively recently (Russia in 04, Vietnam in 08 iirc). The big sea disputes are basically China flexing it's nuclear stockpile since states can't really retaliate against them traditionally.
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Sep 28, 2020 17:45
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