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Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:



I don't know that the linguist is using that word normatively. :eng99:

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The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Weird, it’s back now. Earlier I couldn’t post a reply on any thread, and now I can. HMMMM.

KonvexKonkav
Mar 5, 2014

Is "I'm making a normative statement" just a pretentious way of saying "That's just my opinion" or am I missing something here?

Drone
Aug 22, 2003

Incredible machine
:smug:



KonvexKonkav posted:

Is "I'm making a normative statement" just a pretentious way of saying "That's just my opinion" or am I missing something here?

A perfectly cromulent assessment.

Hopper
Dec 28, 2004

BOOING! BOOING!
Grimey Drawer

niethan posted:

Yeah unfortunately there's also female rapists. Though my phone doesn't know the word Vergewaltigerinnen.

This is 2020, the correct spelling is Vergewaltiger*innen.

Also I am not a fan of Mutti but I think the handling of the Pandemic measures was way better when her and Jensi just said cfuck you, we tell you what to do" to the Länder.

A unified strategy is always superior to the stupid mix of inconsistent measures on Länderebene. I don't understand why they stopped that.

Hopper fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Sep 28, 2020

Smirr
Jun 28, 2012

What is Germany? *tosses Maßkrug aside* A miserable little pile of Länder. But enough talk... Have at you!

Cingulate
Oct 23, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

KonvexKonkav posted:

Is "I'm making a normative statement" just a pretentious way of saying "That's just my opinion" or am I missing something here?
Descriptive statements describe how the world, empirically speaking, is, without moral considerations.
Normative statements are about whether some state of affairs is good or bad, desirable or to be avoided - they are about what you should or should not do.

For example, “young men commit crime, and many refugees are young men” is a descriptive statement, and “we nevertheless have an ethical obligation to take on refugees” is a normative statement.

See for more https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is%96ought_problem

Cingulate fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Sep 28, 2020

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

GABA ghoul posted:

I want to add that while it's true that less men = better world, you also need a minimum amount of them for procreation and to keep humanity alive. I think there is a sweet spot somewhere around one man per 1000 women, but, yeah, the rest is pretty useless and should be euthanized IMO

I'm not so sure about that. Invitro procreation is already a thing. All we need is a way to artificially create sperm out of female cells, or just auto-fertilize them by mixing the genes of two mothers, and we're all set.

Mithaldu
Sep 25, 2007

Let's cuddle. :3:
https://twitter.com/stephanpalagan/status/1310699193158242306

GhostDog
Jul 30, 2003

Always see everything.

quote:

"Je schlechter es Deutschland geht", führt Lüth aus, "desto besser für die AfD. Das ist natürlich scheiße, auch für unsere Kinder". Eine Strategie, die "Mit Gauland lange besprochen sei". Je mehr Migranten, umso besser, denn die könne man "nachher immer noch alle erschießen. Das ist überhaupt kein Thema. Oder vergasen, oder wie du willst".

jfc

Hopper
Dec 28, 2004

BOOING! BOOING!
Grimey Drawer
Yeah man, that never happened. Didn't you hear? Gauland denounced and fired the guy. It's all a big misunderstanding. AfD is not like Nazis or some poo poo. All upstanding citizens.

Randler
Jan 3, 2013

ACER ET VEHEMENS BONAVIS

Hopper posted:

Yeah man, that never happened. Didn't you hear? Gauland denounced and fired the guy. It's all a big misunderstanding. AfD is not like Nazis or some poo poo. All upstanding citizens.

So they are just making normative statements?

Decius
Oct 14, 2005

Ramrod XTreme

Randler posted:

So they are just making normative statements?

They are just asking innocent questions about how many blonde virgin white German women 700.000 migrant men have to rape until they are allowed to fetch Opa's Zyklon-B from the attic.

Hopper
Dec 28, 2004

BOOING! BOOING!
Grimey Drawer

Randler posted:

So they are just making normative statements?

I would have to look up what exactly that means. But I am too lazy to waste energy on things related to AfD. So if it makes them appear stupid then yes, otherwise no.

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011


Fickender Jesus Christus, how is this not Volksverhetzung/hate speech bordering on conspiracy to commit mass murder/genocide? Partei der Mitte indeed

Tarquinn
Jul 3, 2007


I know I’ve made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you
my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal.
Hell Gem


https://www.der-postillon.com/2020/09/afd.html

Der Postillion posted:

Dienstag, 29. September 2020
Beruhigend: Nur jeder 10. wählt Partei, die Migranten erschießen oder vergasen lassen will

Berlin (dpo) - Deutschland atmet auf! Umfragen zufolge würden derzeit nur 9 bis 12 Prozent aller Wahlberechtigten einer Partei ihre Stimme geben, in der hinter verschlossenen Türen geplant wird, im großen Stil Migranten zu erschießen oder zu vergasen.

"Neun von zehn Deutschen haben derzeit also noch Bedenken, massenhaft Menschen in den Tod zu schicken", erklärt die Meinungsforscherin Christina Voges. "Das ist doch schon mal ein prima Zeichen."

Nehme man etwa einen durchschnittlichen Familien- und Freundeskreis von 100 Personen an, so habe jeder Deutsche privat im Schnitt nur mit 10 Leuten regelmäßig zu tun, die sich zu einer Partei bekennen, die einem erneuten Holocaust durchaus offen gegenübersteht.

"Gut, in manchen Regionen in Ostdeutschland ist es auch mal jeder Vierte oder Dritte oder Zweite", räumt Voges ein. "Aber dafür gibt es dann wieder Landstriche im Westen, in denen nur jeder 20. kein Problem damit hat, wenn Menschen erschossen oder vergast werden."

Insgesamt sei daher zumindest in naher Zukunft nicht mit massenhaften Erschießungen und Vergasungen zu rechnen. Schließlich sei dafür beim letzten Mal eine bundes- bzw. reichsweite Zustimmung jedes dritten Deutschen (33,1%) nötig gewesen.

While the Postillion made me chuckle, this whole thing is still beyond revolting and makes me sick.

Mithaldu
Sep 25, 2007

Let's cuddle. :3:

GABA ghoul posted:

Fickender Jesus Christus, how is this not Volksverhetzung/hate speech bordering on conspiracy to commit mass murder/genocide? Partei der Mitte indeed

probably because it was a private conversation

quote:

Die Verabredung zwischen Licentia und Lüth kam zustande, nachdem der AfD-Politiker die rechte Influencerin zunächst mehrfach auf Twitter angeschrieben hatte. Was Lüth nicht weiß: Licentia will aus der rechten Szene aussteigen und steht deswegen mit ProSieben in Kontakt. Die Journalisten entscheiden sich, den Termin mit verdeckten Kameras zu filmen

23. Februar

"Es geht erst mal um den Erhalt der Partei. Die AfD ist wichtig", sagt er zum Beispiel. Alles sei in der Partei darauf ausgerichtet, dass man erfolgreich sei, das Land sei ihm erst mal egal.

"Wenn jetzt alles gut laufen würde (…), dann wäre die AfD bei drei Prozent. Wollen wir nicht. Deshalb müssen wir uns eine Taktik überlegen zwischen: Wie schlimm kann es Deutschland gehen? Und: Wie viel können wir provozieren? Ist so. (…) Ist schwierig, sehr schwierig."

Das alles sei mit Alexander Gauland "lange besprochen" worden.

Licentia: "Vor allem klingt das so, als ob es in deinem Interesse wäre, dass noch mehr Migranten kommen?"
Lüth: "Ja. Weil dann geht es der AfD besser. Wir können die nachher immer noch alle erschießen. Das ist überhaupt kein Thema. Oder vergasen, oder wie du willst. Mir egal!"

Während Lüth vor Lisa Licentia seine Position ausbreitet, rufen derweil immer wieder Spitzenpolitiker der AfD bei ihm an. So telefoniert Lüth unter anderem mit der stellvertretenden AfD-Bundessprecherin Beatrix von Storch und mehrmals auch mit Alexander Gauland.

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?


So did anybody see the Pro7 doc this particular abomination came from? Is it worthwhile beyond that snippet too?

Simply Simon
Nov 6, 2010

📡scanning🛰️ for good game 🎮design🦔🦔🦔

:thunk:

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?



Dunno what the :thunk: is for but now the phrase "Pro7 my neg rear end" popped up in my head, so thanks for that I guess :v:

KonvexKonkav
Mar 5, 2014

The worst thing about this is that this will have exactly 0 consequences for anyone excluding the guy who said all these things. In fact, it's a good thing for the AfD as a whole because it's another opportunity for them to show their Nazi voters what they reallystand for while still maintaing some semblance of respectability for their merely "conservative" voters by firing the guy.

Mithaldu
Sep 25, 2007

Let's cuddle. :3:

System Metternich posted:

So did anybody see the Pro7 doc this particular abomination came from? Is it worthwhile beyond that snippet too?

i didn't, but you can see it here:

https://www.prosieben.de/tv/prosieben-spezial/video/prosieben-spezial-rechts-deutsch-radikal-ganze-folge

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

System Metternich posted:

Dunno what the :thunk: is for but now the phrase "Pro7 my neg rear end" popped up in my head, so thanks for that I guess :v:

They probably just don't know what pro7 is. I think everyone itt thread is under 50

Simply Simon
Nov 6, 2010

📡scanning🛰️ for good game 🎮design🦔🦔🦔
"worthwhile" and "Pro 7" is an oxymoron is what I was getting at

Should have used a different emoji, but I was normativing from a phone

Zwille
Aug 18, 2006

* For the Ghost Who Walks Funny
Hui, €50 Strafe if your Kontaktzettel is made up of lies. Wonder if that’s per lie or per location.

The Strafe is on the Restaurants so expect a lot of Ausweiskontrollen while dining out lol

Mithaldu
Sep 25, 2007

Let's cuddle. :3:
do the cops still get to use them for other poo poo?

Duzzy Funlop
Jan 13, 2010

Hi there, would you like to try some spicy products?


That poor, poor E-Mail Adresse

KonvexKonkav
Mar 5, 2014


Mithaldu posted:

do the cops still get to use them for other poo poo?


Yeah they do, but only for "schwere Straftaten". I'm sure there's no way this can be abused. :ironicat:

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

Today we found out that the federal parliamentary leader of the largest party in two bundeslands and their former press secretary conspired to sabotage living conditions in Germany and planned to shoot and/or gas every immigrant in the country. Very normal day, in a very normal country in a very normal age :cool:

Mithaldu
Sep 25, 2007

Let's cuddle. :3:

System Metternich posted:

So did anybody see the Pro7 doc this particular abomination came from? Is it worthwhile beyond that snippet too?

my housemate's watching it and he's going "whoa wtf" on the regular



GABA ghoul posted:

Today we found out that the federal parliamentary leader of the largest party in two bundeslands and their former press secretary conspired to sabotage living conditions in Germany and planned to shoot and/or gas every immigrant in the country. Very normal day, in a very normal country in a very normal age :cool:

that's a :fire: summary

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

You can say a lot of bad poo poo about ghoul political leadership of major parties in other countries like the Republicans or PiS(s), but you still gotta hand it to them: none of them are literal national socialists and on tape saying that they plan to gas every immigrant in the country. Sonderweg is true and it's time to admit that we made a huge mistake abandoning the whole theory. I think we should put full balkanization and deindustrialization on the table again

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

GABA ghoul posted:

You can say a lot of bad poo poo about ghoul political leadership of major parties in other countries like the Republicans or PiS(s), but you still gotta hand it to them: none of them are literal national socialists and on tape saying that they plan to gas every immigrant in the country. Sonderweg is true and it's time to admit that we made a huge mistake abandoning the whole theory. I think we should put full balkanization and deindustrialization on the table again

Not sure I prefer the Nazis that aren't dumb enough to be caught on tape op.

Mano
Jul 11, 2012

Zwille posted:

Hui, €50 Strafe if your Kontaktzettel is made up of lies. Wonder if that’s per lie or per location.

The Strafe is on the Restaurants so expect a lot of Ausweiskontrollen while dining out lol

Yeah, I only just got your second line there, WTF

niethan
Nov 22, 2005

Don't be scared, homie!

KonvexKonkav posted:

Yeah they do, but only for "schwere Straftaten". I'm sure there's no way this can be abused. :ironicat:

Schwere Straftaten Like *Checks notes* Beleidigung

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


Yeeting the Verantwortung to setz that durch off on some poor fuckin waitress is the dick move to end all dick moves

e: when I was still working at the Laden we were told to definitely not get on people's cases for Maskenpflicht. You don't know what fuckin psychopath you're dealing with and your main skillset is putting poo poo into shelves, it's not your job to get into a confrontation.

aphid_licker fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Sep 29, 2020

Mithaldu
Sep 25, 2007

Let's cuddle. :3:
Clearly the answer is to make a minimum effort and on the slightest violation call the cops while telling the person that you're forced to do so so they can disappear and the cops can turn up and waste their time.

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

GABA ghoul posted:

You can say a lot of bad poo poo about ghoul political leadership of major parties in other countries like the Republicans or PiS(s), but you still gotta hand it to them: none of them are literal national socialists and on tape saying that they plan to gas every immigrant in the country. Sonderweg is true and it's time to admit that we made a huge mistake abandoning the whole theory. I think we should put full balkanization and deindustrialization on the table again

Now let's be fair, the Bundesländer most cursed by the AfD are basically wastelands. That's like pointing at a dead Nazi lying in a field and claiming the nearby empty village is 100% Nazis.

GhostDog
Jul 30, 2003

Always see everything.
I haven't seen the doc myself but heard good things from people who did. And say what you want about Pro7 (no really, do), but they get a nod from me for not having any ad breaks in a 90 minute doc.

Mithaldu
Sep 25, 2007

Let's cuddle. :3:

GhostDog posted:

I haven't seen the doc myself but heard good things from people who did. And say what you want about Pro7 (no really, do), but they get a nod from me for not having any ad breaks in a 90 minute doc.

i'm watching it online and it's 244 minutes and really good



unrelated:

berlin decided to make masks in offices mandatory when people are near to other people, or away from their work seat

lots of people on twitter are basically going "but nobody died yet, so this is a bad rule!!!"

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Hopper
Dec 28, 2004

BOOING! BOOING!
Grimey Drawer
I don't know if you remember but in July I cancelled my attendance at my cousins wedding on October 10th. Out of 85 ish guests only 7 cancelled. Me, the GF, my parents and an Uncle with his 2 daugthers.

Today we got a text that the wedding has been cancelled because both my cousin and her hubby have received a positive covid test result. The entire closer family is now in quarantine for 14 days. So far only the 2 are ill and mild cases but holy poo poo.

If you want to know how people get hotspots going at weddings, asymptomatic/pre-symptomatic brides and grooms are probably the reason. Everybody would touch them at some point.

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