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Matt's woo-woo poo poo rules I dunno what y'all are talking about
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Divot posted:Matt's woo-woo poo poo rules I dunno what y'all are talking about i love it
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Sep 28, 2020 01:40
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Duncan was on Katie Halper's show recently and said that he is not ruling out coming back to Revolutions to do a series on Cuba, Iran or any other Revolution that catches his interest but as of right now hes planning to end with 1917 and move onto other projects.
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Sep 28, 2020 02:17
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i say swears online posted:there were other revolutions after 1917, some even more consequential yeah i think he's so far got a good bit about the arc of the liberal revolution, if he goes beyond russia then it's kind of a whole new ballgame
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Sep 28, 2020 02:24
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He is ignoring Ireland because of racism
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Sep 28, 2020 02:26
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would love a revolutions season on china or cuba, prob won’t happen tho it sounds like
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Sep 28, 2020 02:27
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He needs to do the Carnation Revolution, the only moral revolution.
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Sep 28, 2020 02:27
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StashAugustine posted:yeah i think he's so far got a good bit about the arc of the liberal revolution, if he goes beyond russia then it's kind of a whole new ballgame i want southern africa, angola/namibia/south africa/zimbabwe those are the most interesting post-'60 decolonization revolutions imo
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Sep 28, 2020 04:08
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hot take: ireland's revolution is a little boring to me, with the pro-treaty and anti-treaty camps kinda sucking the narrative air out of the room. am i looking at that incorrectly from my wikipedia-level knowledge
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Sep 28, 2020 04:09
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i say swears online posted:i want southern africa, angola/namibia/south africa/zimbabwe France 1968
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Sep 28, 2020 04:57
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THS posted:lol at a thread about leftist gun ownership
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Sep 28, 2020 05:19
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I just learned that Jacobin has a series of podcasts and short YouTube videos. Listening to Matt Christman spend 15 minutes failing to explain dialectics was amusing.
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Sep 28, 2020 16:04
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i say swears online posted:hot take: ireland's revolution is a little boring to me, with the pro-treaty and anti-treaty camps kinda sucking the narrative air out of the room. am i looking at that incorrectly from my wikipedia-level knowledge see, mike?! we need you!!
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Sep 28, 2020 16:30
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listening to christ man got me into the demiurge and other magic poo poo like that. im doing the middle pillar. im busting into clay jars and burying them in my parents' backyard under a full moon. its revolutionary
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Sep 28, 2020 16:56
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i haven't watched the matt streams is he really getting into religion? lmao imagine losing so hard you resort to mysticism to cope
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Sep 28, 2020 16:58
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Serf posted:lmao imagine losing so hard you resort to mysticism to cope my mans gave into the bernie hype for like three weeks in february and it destroyed him lol
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Sep 28, 2020 17:20
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i haven't been watching the IG streams because i usually use twitch via a fire stick on a television and the volume literally does not go up enough to hear him, are the chris ones any better
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Sep 28, 2020 17:21
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I had to stop listening to chapo during the period where it became an hour-long bernie infomercial every week
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Sep 28, 2020 17:22
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the candidate interviews are always lame (except the admiral, i've had a soft spot for sestak since i was a lib in 2006 and he had a virtual residency on maddow)
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Sep 28, 2020 17:24
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sestak did seem really cool, he sounded like he'd be a good secdef in any administration
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Sep 28, 2020 17:26
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i say swears online posted:my mans gave into the bernie hype for like three weeks in february and it destroyed him lol electoralism: not even once
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Sep 28, 2020 17:27
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Serf posted:i haven't watched the matt streams is he really getting into religion? lmao imagine losing so hard you resort to mysticism to cope between gnostic mysticism and ironic lmao nihilism I give mysticism points for variety
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Sep 28, 2020 17:39
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matts gonna get really into the margaritaville lifestyle
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Sep 28, 2020 17:42
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Often Abbreviated posted:between gnostic mysticism and ironic lmao nihilism I give mysticism points for variety the gnostics were those aliens in xenosaga right
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Sep 28, 2020 17:44
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If Qanon can psychically make their poo poo real maybe the left can do that too.
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Sep 28, 2020 17:44
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Matt's spiritualism kick actually kind of make sense. He posits that the project of the left is so in its infancy and the work that has to be done is going to involve so much suffering and sacrifice on behalf of a cause that may or may not come to fruition. No one living alive today is going to get to live under socialism, and it's going to involve doing a lot of poo poo that is not fun to do and is likely going to involve a lot of personal suffering. Therefore people working on the project are going to need a motivation that is not driven by personal ego, either to improve their own material conditions or to be seen as a good person by being seen doing the work, as he says most people doing the work now are. It's going to have to involve a spiritual element, either tied to one's already existing idea of god, or in his quasi Buddhist mindset he's taken on since quarantine where you realize that all of humanity is one being and your conception of yourself as separate from everyone else is an illusion. I find that argument kind of compelling and it really does put the lie to people like Gwen saying that Matt is basically blackpill.
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Sep 28, 2020 17:56
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Serf posted:i haven't watched the matt streams is he really getting into religion? lmao imagine losing so hard you resort to mysticism to cope 
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Sep 28, 2020 17:58
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Retromancer posted:Matt's spiritualism kick actually kind of make sense. He posits that the project of the left is so in its infancy and the work that has to be done is going to involve so much suffering and sacrifice on behalf of a cause that may or may not come to fruition. No one living alive today is going to get to live under socialism, and it's going to involve doing a lot of poo poo that is not fun to do and is likely going to involve a lot of personal suffering. Therefore people working on the project are going to need a motivation that is not driven by personal ego, either to improve their own material conditions or to be seen as a good person by being seen doing the work, as he says most people doing the work now are. It's going to have to involve a spiritual element, either tied to one's already existing idea of god, or in his quasi Buddhist mindset he's taken on since quarantine where you realize that all of humanity is one being and your conception of yourself as separate from everyone else is an illusion. I find that argument kind of compelling and it really does put the lie to people like Gwen saying that Matt is basically blackpill.  does this work
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Sep 28, 2020 18:08
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hehe, somebody out there cared about something? lmao, imagine having a brain not poisoned by detached ironic bemusement
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Sep 28, 2020 18:11
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Brace correctly said that South Korea is occupied by the US military so I'm expecting TrueAnon to be called DPRK-stanning tankies soon It's a premium ep so maybe not tho
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Sep 28, 2020 18:16
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Serf posted:
whatever works for you. Matt's pretty clear that for most people this is going to be an individual decision as to how they get there, with the zen buddhist thing just being what makes sense to him. He calls back to John Brown's conception of Abrahamic religion, as posited in the novel Cloudsplitter, as another way to get there. He just predicts that any mass socialist movement in the future is going to require some sort of spiritual element because that's the best way to get people to put themselves on the line for a cause with an uncertain outcome.
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Sep 28, 2020 18:17
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Retromancer posted:whatever works for you. Matt's pretty clear that for most people this is going to be an individual decision as to how they get there, with the zen buddhist thing just being what makes sense to him. He calls back to John Brown's conception of Abrahamic religion, as posited in the novel Cloudsplitter, as another way to get there. He just predicts that any mass socialist movement in the future is going to require some sort of spiritual element because that's the best way to get people to put themselves on the line for a cause with an uncertain outcome. This feels directionally correct to me. My inch deep understanding of western philosophy and early 20th century history and is that the orthodox Marxist position was still riding the wave of modernity, but world wars, nuclear weapons, climate change, and a century of crushing alienation poisoned the well. We're in stuck in this frustrating, post-modern purgatory and we need some kind of synthesis of rationality and spirituality to get out of it.
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Sep 28, 2020 18:25
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Retromancer posted:I find that argument kind of compelling and it really does put the lie to people like Gwen saying that Matt is basically blackpill. I don't find it surprising that the grasping hands of the Demiurge would do anything to call malfeasance on anyone trying to depart the bubble
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Sep 28, 2020 18:33
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I dunno. What sort of personal sacrifice? One problem with living under capitalism is that if it's a material sacrifice then it is generally to the benefit of someone else, which feeds the system. Stuff like veganism, donating to progressive politicians and most charity is immediately co-opted or perverted by capitalism. I also don't see any evidence that community organzing efforts or unionizing efforts are doing much more than stemming the tide, and badly at that. Vague promises of far off rewards for good deeds do go real well with religion though, so it's not a surprise that some leftists are currently embracing it.
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Sep 28, 2020 18:43
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Some sacrifices have no reward to you personally. In terms of something like climate change, the future benefit would go to the future people. "What's in it for me" is not even a question that can enter the conversation in order to solve that problem, and because that's the only perspective anyone will look at it from, nothing will change about it. By definition it's not a sacrifice if you benefit!
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Sep 28, 2020 18:51
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dehumanize yourself and face to margarita
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Sep 28, 2020 18:57
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the most pernicious thing that liberalism has done was create the mindset that spirit, hope, and belief aren't just worthless but bad. because the human power to create our own reality is the most powerful revolutionary tool and that's why defenders of the status quo all eventually rely on "i can't imagine things any other way" with faith in the imaginary we can collectively make it real
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Sep 28, 2020 19:04
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Retromancer posted:Matt's spiritualism kick actually kind of make sense. He posits that the project of the left is so in its infancy and the work that has to be done is going to involve so much suffering and sacrifice on behalf of a cause that may or may not come to fruition. No one living alive today is going to get to live under socialism, and it's going to involve doing a lot of poo poo that is not fun to do and is likely going to involve a lot of personal suffering. Therefore people working on the project are going to need a motivation that is not driven by personal ego, either to improve their own material conditions or to be seen as a good person by being seen doing the work, as he says most people doing the work now are. It's going to have to involve a spiritual element, either tied to one's already existing idea of god, or in his quasi Buddhist mindset he's taken on since quarantine where you realize that all of humanity is one being and your conception of yourself as separate from everyone else is an illusion. I find that argument kind of compelling and it really does put the lie to people like Gwen saying that Matt is basically blackpill. is he just riffing on the book Secular Faith and Spiritual Freedom by martin hagglund? because this is like exactly the thesis of that boo edit: haggland doesn't suggest latching onto religious conceptions/forms of spiritualism like buddhism though, so maybe not Finicums Wake has issued a correction as of 19:08 on Sep 28, 2020 |
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Sep 28, 2020 19:05
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Bro Dad posted:dehumanize yourself and face to margarita i rewatched network again and i keep forgetting when the shoe drops with the billionaire broadcast owner speech
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Sep 28, 2020 19:07
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Centrist Committee posted:This feels directionally correct to me. My inch deep understanding of western philosophy and early 20th century history and is that the orthodox Marxist position was still riding the wave of modernity, but world wars, nuclear weapons, climate change, and a century of crushing alienation poisoned the well. We're in stuck in this frustrating, post-modern purgatory and we need some kind of synthesis of rationality and spirituality to get out of it. I don't know how one can look at early 20th centry Marxist movments and say that there wasn't a spriritual component. They might not have had an explicitly supernatural sort of spirituality, but they definitly felt had a connecton to something larger than their material existence.
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