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Rude teens = deep state What was Jeffrey doing out on that island for so long??? A: he was rudely doing teens
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Tubgoat posted:It's 'cause some teens hijacked the ticket supply to a Trump rally one time and like 40 people showed up to a place that'd seat a couple thousand or something. the military was flipping out over tiktok in january
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Sep 28, 2020 18:38
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nut posted:qanon is just beyond me, what did they think trump was doing back when he owned beauty pageants and walked in on underaged teens dressing? Checking for pedophiles? yes
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Sep 28, 2020 18:39
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nut posted:qanon is just beyond me, what did they think trump was doing back when he owned beauty pageants and walked in on underaged teens dressing? Checking for pedophiles? Until the election shone a gamma ray spotlight onto all of... this, Trump was just a white noise, big city rich guy, famous for being rich and bombastic, in an aspirational sorta way. He was poor people's idea of a rich person and absolutely no more critical thought was ever committed to the matter. Centrist Committee posted:the military was flipping out over tiktok in january
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Sep 28, 2020 18:40
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Just finished reading CHAOS: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the 60s, and I'd recommend it heartily for this thread. The book reveals that Manson was in possible contact with a researcher receiving funding for MKULTRA experiments involving amphetamine and LSD (the same drugs involved in the Tate murder) and so I've been wondering just what exactly the gently caress was going on and if it could have any relation to the Epstein thing, given that Manson and Epstein have a similar MO. Now im not saying Epstein is exactly like Manson, but I wonder if techniques the CIA learned during MKULTRA were perhaps more useful than they claimed and sort of helped shaped the method Epstein used to gather together his harem. Like Epstein didn't use drugs to influence his victims, but from the looks of it maybe obscure rituals served that purpose just as well. I don't know. I'm losing my mind, probably. But it seems like maybe there's a method for building complacency in female subjects dependent on the psychedelic coercion of women (either thru ritual drug use, or just ritual). Again, im not sure. This is probably the manifestation of that ep-brain thing that keeps getting mentioned here. My third eye hurts, I'm taking a nap.
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Sep 28, 2020 19:42
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nut posted:sorry i shouldn't have conflated the ops names, but Phoenix wasn't the only program the CIA was running in Vietnam, it was just the old tried and trued approach of kidnap and kill. Contemporaneous with it was Project Agile, which involved technological approaches to both counterinsurgency and the collation of massive and growing intel files. Operation Igloo white (an attempt to bug the entirety of the Ho Chi Minh trail by dropping microphones and receivers all over it) and Operation Ranch Hand (largescale defoliation via Agent Orange and the other colours) both came out of Project Agile. Ah that makes way more sense. Gonna read up on it. ^^^^ making it impossible for an abused child to escape isnt exactly hard if you're evil enough. Also helps that Epstein was a billionaire. Like chanting and poo poo doesnt measure up to anything near destroying a developing person's sense of themselves, and instilling that they dont have any options other than their abuser. Shageletic has issued a correction as of 20:06 on Sep 28, 2020 |
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Sep 28, 2020 20:02
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almost there posted:Now im not saying Epstein is exactly like Manson, but I wonder if techniques the CIA learned during MKULTRA were perhaps more useful than they claimed and sort of helped shaped the method Epstein used to gather together his harem. Like Epstein didn't use drugs to influence his victims, but from the looks of it maybe obscure rituals served that purpose just as well. I don't know. I'm losing my mind, probably. But it seems like maybe there's a method for building complacency in female subjects dependent on the psychedelic coercion of women (either thru ritual drug use, or just ritual). Epstein's go-to move was "I can get you a photoshoot with Victoria's Secret" *immediately strips naked and lays down, lets nature take it's course*. I don't think complicated mind-control or bizarre rituals were required here.
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Sep 28, 2020 20:08
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almost there posted:Just finished reading CHAOS: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the 60s, and I'd recommend it heartily for this thread. The book reveals that Manson was in possible contact with a researcher receiving funding for MKULTRA experiments involving amphetamine and LSD (the same drugs involved in the Tate murder) and so I've been wondering just what exactly the gently caress was going on and if it could have any relation to the Epstein thing, given that Manson and Epstein have a similar MO. All that stuff is wild to consider, but don't discount that a mundane cycle of psychological abuse, dependency, and normalization might be in itself ritualistic. Also you might be interested in the TrueAnon podcast's interview with Maria Farmer, a victim.
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Sep 28, 2020 20:21
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sleeptalker posted:All that stuff is wild to consider, but don't discount that a mundane cycle of psychological abuse, dependency, and normalization might be in itself ritualistic. True. It just seems to me if that Epstein was some sort of intelligence asset then he might have some access to the methodology developed by research like Mkultra. I mean, if he was just as mundane as that maybe that's a testament to mkultra actually being a wash, but I dont know, some Manson girls claim to this day that they can't get Manson out of their head. So if the techniques were successful to any degree, Epstein NOT using them wouldnt make sense. I'll check out that pod, thanks.
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Unless Manson was def just part of Operation Chaos and was basically enabled to his end by intelligence agencies in order to discredit the 60s movement. In that case Epsteins mundane abuse makes sense. The banality of evil and all that.
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Sep 28, 2020 20:44
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almost there posted:Again, im not sure. This is probably the manifestation of that ep-brain thing that keeps getting mentioned here. My third eye hurts, I'm taking a nap. glad to see u posting here again and even more glad you got thoroughly chaospilled 
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Sep 28, 2020 21:26
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Now the real question is was ted kaczynski actively part of an op or just an unintended side effect.
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Sep 28, 2020 21:29
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until my copy of programmed to kill comes in and i travel down a road i can't go backwards on, i still believe MKUltra succeeded in elaborating on torture that left its victims cognitively destroyed, including forcing dissociative identity disorder, particularly on younger victims. I am still pretty skeptical as to whether or not MKUltra ever had the capacity to build a personality back up afterwards. I know of the letter in CHAOS from Jolly to Gottlieb that suggested he had successfully brainwashed someone, and the growing number of testimonies from terrorists and killers in which they believe that they must have dissociated during their crime (the most recent I can think of was one of the boston bombers, I believe), but I'm still doubtful
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Trabisnikof posted:Now the real question is was ted kaczynski actively part of an op or just an unintended side effect. Im going unintended
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Sep 28, 2020 21:52
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pretty sure program to kill heavily implied that Polanski/Tate were at the very least drug dealers, and at worst snuff producers
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Sep 28, 2020 21:57
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nut posted:until my copy of programmed to kill comes in and i travel down a road i can't go backwards on, i still believe MKUltra succeeded in elaborating on torture that left its victims cognitively destroyed, including forcing dissociative identity disorder, particularly on younger victims. I am still pretty skeptical as to whether or not MKUltra ever had the capacity to build a personality back up afterwards. I know of the letter in CHAOS from Jolly to Gottlieb that suggested he had successfully brainwashed someone, and the growing number of testimonies from terrorists and killers in which they believe that they must have dissociated during their crime (the most recent I can think of was one of the boston bombers, I believe), but I'm still doubtful As a fun little aside, Sirhan Sirhan is still alive and his lawyers have tried appealing his life sentence based on claims that he was "hypno-programmed" to commit the attack and has no memory of the night RFK was killed.
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Sep 28, 2020 21:58
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seems like Yes Minister is about the deep state
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Sep 28, 2020 22:51
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i disagree with some of the categorisation choices but this chick is onto something here, i like to think we try to keep this thread at the bottom 2 sections.
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Sep 28, 2020 23:36
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subliminal messages in TV being highest echelons of the anti Semitic tier? ritual sacrifice being a tier under it? shes barely hitting layups while the thread is practicing jump shot forms
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Sep 28, 2020 23:42
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Professorjuggalo posted:subliminal messages in TV being highest echelons of the anti Semitic tier? ritual sacrifice being a tier under it? shes barely hitting layups while the thread is practicing jump shot forms yeah i disagree with some of her choices but i like the idea of dividing these things by liklihood, she just has some funky ideas.
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Professorjuggalo posted:pretty sure program to kill heavily implied that Polanski/Tate were at the very least drug dealers, and at worst snuff producers Kroger and her boyfriend were the probable drug dealers, the snuff poo poo was just rumors at the time but Tom O'Neill (CHAOS) got some verification from DA Bugliosi and someone else that cops found film reels of Tate playing the receiving end in brutal pornography speaking of which, apparently noted proud contractor for the CIA, Amazon got the film rights for CHAOS 
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Sep 28, 2020 23:48
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always found it weird how msm runs the occasional piece debunking the existence of snuff films as mad conspiracy theories when you or i can find one right now with a google search.
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gh0stpinballa posted:always found it weird how msm runs the occasional piece debunking the existence of snuff films as mad conspiracy theories when you or i can find one right now with a google search. or how red rooms don’t exist but anyone who’s been on the Silk Road for longer than 10 minutes would know otherwise (and years later stuff like the Nth room case happening in Korea)
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Professorjuggalo posted:or how red rooms don’t exist but anyone who’s been on the Silk Road for longer than 10 minutes would know otherwise (and years later stuff like the Nth room case happening in Korea) exactly, wth. altho looking into red rooms just sent me down a rabbit hole culminating in reading about daisy's destruction and the case of peter scully and now i feel like pure poo poo and hate everyone.
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https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/300102583/rocket-labs-new-hire-has-roots-in-the-cia-laser-weapons-and-space-militarisationquote:Rocket Lab’s new board member headed the CIA’s venture capital firm and is a proponent of deploying high-powered laser weapons in space. CIA building space weapons
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Sep 29, 2020 00:34
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I think the child abuse is just child abuse, I don't think Epstein actually has magical or psychic powers beyond "You can let me rape you and perhaps someday you can be an underwear model once you're old enough to sign a legal contract, or you can be followed for the rest of your life and your pets or family members might start dying, your choice! Don't bother going to the cops, they work for me. Say, you have a little sister too, right?" Those are terrifying powers, but not supernatural ones. The actual "ritual" part of the predators' sexual abuse of children was there for the abusers' amusement/gratification/bonding with each other. If you've seen the island and the temple on it, you loving know they were Bohemian Grove-ing it up.
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WINNERSH TRIANGLE posted:this is more of an 'anthropology of conspiracy theories' thing, and maybe it's more of a Trump thread thing, but this seems like the kind of thing you lot might know about : nut posted:I’m sure it’s just one small part of something that came far before, but in the early 20th century Walter Lippmann debated with John Dewey about how a democracy must be run. they both agreed that society had gotten too complex for citizens to act in their own best interest, in part because it would be impossible for them to understand everything important that needed legislating. Lippmann’s solution was to introduce a panel of experts who were smart and would do all the tough deciding for citizens who could stay dumb. Lippmann and Edward Bernays furthered this approach by promoting the use of propaganda to allay citizen concerns about politics and get them to support technocratic decisions, most famously in the Creel Commissions incredibly successful propagandizing of the American public to enter ww1, something they did want at all originally. C Wright Mills's "The Power Elite" also goes into this topic of that section of "middle managers" of society that steer it, outside of the actual democratic will that's supposed to do the steering. Going a little farther afield from the notion of the "Deep State" specifically, it's always been a thing in anarchist ideology that the nomination of various executive/cabinet departments essentially creates an unelected government. Trabisnikof posted:Igloo White also played a major role in the development of Silicon Valley as it was the fixed price contracts that both incentivized development of cheaper electronics but then gave the companies massive profits when they did. Spending millions in 70s dollars on disposable radio transmitters gave a big kick start to the consumer electronics industry and lithium battery research. GLADIO is also tied into this in the form of the development of advanced radio sets (look up "Harpoon radios") that were needed for the various stay-behind networks to be able to contact each other in the field without the use of any commercial/public communications. Helsing posted:As a fun little aside, Sirhan Sirhan is still alive and his lawyers have tried appealing his life sentence based on claims that he was "hypno-programmed" to commit the attack and has no memory of the night RFK was killed. Sirhan Sirhan was also certainly set-up and the Kennedy family simply let it slide because they were still reeling from JFK's assassination and Ted was no crusader.
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Professorjuggalo posted:or how red rooms don’t exist but anyone who’s been on the Silk Road for longer than 10 minutes would know otherwise (and years later stuff like the Nth room case happening in Korea) are they? honest question. obviously there's plenty of terrible stuff out there, but i always figured these were scams that random people put up like "double your bitcoins" sites or most internet "hitmen". anyone can make a site with stock photos from bestgore. it takes a lot more to actually pull this off
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Sep 29, 2020 01:04
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The cia must have really hated the Kennedy family lol
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Winty posted:are they? honest question. obviously there's plenty of terrible stuff out there, but i always figured these were scams that random people put up like "double your bitcoins" sites or most internet "hitmen". anyone can make a site with stock photos from bestgore. it takes a lot more to actually pull this off definitely don't Google some of the poo poo posted on this page because it's the most horrific poo poo I've ever heard of, but yes, they're real
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Sep 29, 2020 02:19
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Malkina_ posted:The cia must have really hated the Kennedy family lol wouldn't be surprised if it went back at least to papa joe too
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What do you mean there's a snuff film on Google
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Sep 29, 2020 08:14
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gh0stpinballa posted:exactly, wth. altho looking into red rooms just sent me down a rabbit hole culminating in reading about ... and now i feel like pure poo poo and hate everyone. do not look that poo poo up, it is a rabbit hole i wish i had not gone down Happy Thread posted:What do you mean there's a snuff film on Google Depends what you think a snuff film is, if you're looking for accidents or cartel murders you'll find them, but the popular idea of a snuff film as a pornographic murder for hire video does not exist as far as is publicly known.
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It is PROFOUNDLY weird to me that the same set that advocates for the torture and genocide of random anonymous brown people don't believe that someone could ever be hosed up enough to film someone being tortured/murdered gratuitously.
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Wheeee posted:the popular idea of a snuff film as a pornographic murder for hire video does not exist as far as is publicly known. "" posted:The prosecution did not establish a motive behind the killings. Local media reported the killers had a plan to get rich from the murder videos they recorded. One suspect's girlfriend reported that they planned to make forty separate videos of murders. This was corroborated by a former classmate who claimed he often heard Suprunyuk was in contact with an unknown "rich foreign website operator" who ordered forty snuff videos, and would pay much money once they were made.
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almost there posted:Just finished reading CHAOS: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the 60s, and I'd recommend it heartily for this thread. The book reveals that Manson was in possible contact with a researcher receiving funding for MKULTRA experiments involving amphetamine and LSD (the same drugs involved in the Tate murder) and so I've been wondering just what exactly the gently caress was going on and if it could have any relation to the Epstein thing, given that Manson and Epstein have a similar MO. I read this cover to cover on a 14 hr plane ride in November and felt completely dissociated when I stepped off. The ritual stuff always felt kind of secondary (tertiary?) to the abuse/preying on women with no support networks but there are a lot of weird similarities in the gaps in their stories. That year Charlie spent in SFO at that clinic always gives me an echo of Epstein's time teaching math at that academy before his poo poo really kicked off. And yeah check out trueanon it's great.
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Tubgoat posted:It is PROFOUNDLY weird to me that the same set that advocates for the torture and genocide of random anonymous brown people don't believe that someone could ever be hosed up enough to film someone being tortured/murdered gratuitously. its just one step too far they arnt monsters!
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TL; DR: a tweet thread about how a humanoid robot, developed by Hanson Robotics, was featured at the 2019 Prince of Monaco Ocean's gala. The robot's AI was part of the OpenCog project. The OpenCog project and Hanson Robotics were both funded by the Jeffrey Epstein Foundation.           pardon the image spam - I'm trying to capture these in screenshots so that it doesn't go poof as a twitter link
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gh0stpinballa posted:peter scully  Wow, even the Wikipedia page is horrifying! I don't feel the need to read any more "exhaustive" sources on this.
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