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TheScott2K posted:Stux filling the void left by fishmech by making GBS threads up whatever thread has his attention with verbose arguments over how he thinks something he has no first-hand knowledge of works When Stux got probed from the TLOU2 spoilers thread, some other posters picked up the torch. My theory is that there is an argumentative spirit haunting these forums who chooses the most weak willed of the un-probed posters as their vessel.
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Zerot posted:Have Microsoft's BC team ever talked about fall-back legacy modes like Sony has? the gpu is running in a legacy mode, that is how it is running gcn targetted g ames on rdna2. that is a legacy mode. you are making me lose my mind you dont even understand what the diagram said lol here lets go through it together  lets go down these three one by one. as we go through them please hold this quote from df in your mind palace at all times: "this is the GPU running in compatibility mode, where it emulates the behaviour of the last generation Xbox - you aren't seeing the architectural improvements to performance from RDNA 2" ps5. native. native means the hardware is running as it is designed. the gpu is running in rdna 2 mode. this is also how series x/s games will run, in rdna 2 mode. no ps4 or xbone games will run in this mode. rdna 2 cannot run them, on either platform. they fundamentally do not work which is why they will not get the rdna 2 specific improvements. ps4 pro. legacy. the gpu is now running in its compatibility mode, it is translating between the gcn that the games expect and the rdna2 that the hardware actually is. legacy and compatibility are the same thing, just a different word. this is the mode the series x will run in, as it is running the one x versions of games with whatever improvements. the ps5 will use this mode for ps4 games. they have also said there will be improvements including resolution upgrades in some games. in the extremely unlikely event of a game panicking with the difference in power available rather than not run the game they will step down to 1:1 as close as they can to try and solve the problem. this problem may literally never happen on either console. ps4 base. legacy. it is running in compatibility mode again. for the xbox this is the mode the series s is running in: it is running one s versions of games with whatever improvements it can. just like before if there are any issues it will try and go 1:1 to get games working. on the ps5 and series x if "stock" one x/pro mode doesnt work they will try this mode as a last resort. again this could potentially never happen on either platform with any game at any point. but it is literally idiotic to not have it here as a just in case for that tiny chance it somehow fixes a game that for whatever reason wont work. there is no logical reason to not put the option in. you do not need a direct source of someone saying this to you for the same reason you dont need a citation for the sky being blue. now reread the df quote again "this is the GPU running in compatibility mode, where it emulates the behaviour of the last generation Xbox - you aren't seeing the architectural improvements to performance from RDNA 2" i hope this has cleared things up for you
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TheScott2K posted:Stux filling the void left by fishmech by making GBS threads up whatever thread has his attention with verbose arguments over how he thinks something he has no first-hand knowledge of works everything i post is objective Fact
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So here's a curiosity. Here's a list of the top 100 games played on PS4 last month (August 2020). Aside from the titles which aren't on PS4, what games are any of you actively playing on PS4 or XB1 that aren't part of this list?quote:1 Call of Duty®: Modern Warfare® 83709 hours played I gotta say I'm impressed by the full representation of 
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Stux posted:nier automata It's interesting this isn't on the list while Assassin's Creed: The Ezio Collection and the Bioshock collection are. Dammit, gamers.
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Only use my PS4 for PSVR so pretty much all of my games
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hanyolo posted:Only use my PS4 for PSVR so pretty much all of my games Are any of them multiplats that aren't on the list?
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univbee posted:Are any of them multiplats that aren't on the list? Tetris effect, superhot & RE7 are the only ones I can think of, doubt that benefits from BC upgrades tho
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I honestly did not think that Apex Legends would be as high as that, but its nice to see that it is.
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Sep 29, 2020 17:00
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Stux just say whatever it is you think you're implying because it's unclear as gently caress
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someday stux will finish a thought and we'll give him a medal for it
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remember when a bunch of us tried to explain basic adult finances to Stux and he kept falling back on "I'm not from America, I pay for everything with shavings of gold I carry in a bag"
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Akuma posted:Stux just say whatever it is you think you're implying because it's unclear as gently caress whatt im implying is that when they say the series x/s are running in a compatibility mode for backwards compatibility because the games cant run native on rdna 2 that means that the series x/s are running in a compatibility mode for backwards compatibility because the games cant run native on rdna 2 which is also what the ps5 is doing for ps4 games except its using the word "legacy" instead. TheScott2K posted:remember when a bunch of us tried to explain basic adult finances to Stux and he kept falling back on "I'm not from America, I pay for everything with shavings of gold I carry in a bag" remember when a bunch of other non-americans said "thats right" lol
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Sep 29, 2020 17:19
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Make fun of Stux for posting like a meth addict on a week long bender, not the credit card thing.
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I've been following these threads because I'm oddly excited about next gen for the first time since the PS2/GCN era and Stux's manic aggroposting has lent itself to a general nostalgic feeling. Shine on you crazy diamond. I also can't tell if these disagreements are earnest, console war shitposting, or something else. I didn't get a PS4 until FF7R came out so I don't have many legacy games to worry about there. I am glad MS is pushing back compat so hard both because I have more invested in the ecosystem and because it seems to dovetail with their general goals with Gamepass.
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October's games with gold have been announced. https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1310957868695330818 Slayaway Camp is a surprisingly good little puzzle game, and Maid of Sker looks like exactly the kind of game I want to get in GWG. Costume Quest is interesting because the Xbox One port had been available for GWG a few years ago.
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Sep 29, 2020 17:29
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im upgrading my pc im just here to have fun
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I want to get to know the man behind the bad posts. Where are you from stux, and why Will my nice TV from 4 years ago even be able to display gears of war 5 at 120FPS? I'm guessing I'd have to upgrade? I know it can't do above 1080p
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I feel like during this outgoing gen, playing last-gen games had a lot less of the "wow this looks like poo poo" going on than it had before, even when doing so on the original hardware. Playing PS2 games when the 360/PS3 gen got chugging kinda sucked a lot. To me, that makes BC more valuable than before - circling back to old games I missed doesn't feel like getting in a time machine, it just feels like playing a game. I feel like that's gonna keep up.
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idk i would say on average ps2 era games look nicer than 360 era games just bcos 360 and ps3 both went in so hard on making every game intensely ugly from a design standpoint
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Sep 29, 2020 17:34
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Ok, man
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Zerot posted:October's games with gold have been announced. Costume Quest 2 is already on Game Pass, and the games are similar enough that playing both back to back wouldn't be that fun. Stux posted:idk i would say on average ps2 era games look nicer than 360 era games just bcos 360 and ps3 both went in so hard on making every game intensely ugly from a design standpoint The jump to HD video output was huge. I'm not a resolution whore, but standard def looks really, really rough.
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What the hell is Sphinx. Kinda fun not having played any of this poo poo. It’ll give me something to do with my new Xbox since none of the launch titles are in anyway appealing.
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Stux posted:whatt im implying is that when they say the series x/s are running in a compatibility mode for backwards compatibility because the games cant run native on rdna 2 that means that the series x/s are running in a compatibility mode for backwards compatibility because the games cant run native on rdna 2 which is also what the ps5 is doing for ps4 games except its using the word "legacy" instead. But you run an X enhanced game on Bone X and the options are there aren't any options. It's enhanced by MS or other developers or it's not, there is no "boost mode" exposed to the user, and this seemingly extends to the Series X|S. Maybe I'm wrong and that's not what they were talking about but you seemed to go off the deep end about technical stuff that nobody but you was really talking about.
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Akuma posted:That's great but I think you missed the point of what they were saying, which is that historically on the PS4 Pro whether the game runs boosted or not is up to the user, sometimes leading to bad results, and in the absence of any information contrarywise from Sony we can guess that it will be a similar situation with the PS5 playing PS4 games. They left it up to the user to try it out and see what happened, it didn't feel very curated. i think youve missed a part because youve included if "its enhanced or its not", where the difference is the user turning it on or off vs the software handling it automatically. the other person was saying they believe the xbox will under no circumstances ever put a game in non-boost mode for any reason, even if it would cause issues to be running in the enhanced/boosted mode. they then pointed to the ps5 presentation where it names ps4 "legacy modes" as something the xbox wont be doing Zerot posted:Have Microsoft's BC team ever talked about fall-back legacy modes like Sony has? Zerot posted:Microsoft has never mentioned legacy modes the legacy ps4 modes in the ps5 talk are put next to the native ps5 mode. we know from what digital foundry have said that the xbox is also doing this, because both consoles are running rdna2 which cannot just run the last gen games natively, it uses a compatibility mode to translate betwen gcn and rdna2. the series x is explicitly running a one x compatibility mode with added enhancements, including resolution boosts. the ps5 is also doing this. the series s is using a one s compatiblity mode. they seemed to struggle with understanding how these are the exact same thing because the word each company used was different.
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Crafty posted:Will my nice TV from 4 years ago even be able to display gears of war 5 at 120FPS? Lol no
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univbee posted:So here's a curiosity. Here's a list of the top 100 games played on PS4 last month (August 2020). Aside from the titles which aren't on PS4, what games are any of you actively playing on PS4 or XB1 that aren't part of this list? I'm not sure I'm comfortable confronting the fact that I know and have opinions about all of the top 100 PS4 games (not that I've played them all—in many cases my opinion is "not for me"). I wonder how many games I know and have opinions about in total. Hundreds? Thousands?
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Stux posted:i think youve missed a part because youve included if "its enhanced or its not", where the difference is the user turning it on or off vs the software handling it automatically. the other person was saying they believe the xbox will under no circumstances ever put a game in non-boost mode for any reason, even if it would cause issues to be running in the enhanced/boosted mode. they then pointed to the ps5 presentation where it names ps4 "legacy modes" as something the xbox wont be doing Again, if Sony said one way or the other we'd know whether New Boost is something Sony are checking for each title and handling the choice for you or if it's just a toggle buried in a menu again. There's also AutoHDR as a BC feature that I don't think PS4 on PS5 has? Edit: also API changes to let Xbone games be aware they're on a Series and react appropriately. But you're stuck on "compatibility modes" and technical poo poo so you can't see the spirit of the question. It's all of this together that makes one seem more "fully featured" than the other to that poster, not whether the processors are running in legacy modes. Akuma fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Sep 29, 2020 |
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Stux posted:you are making me lose my mind yeah it's him, he's the reason
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Crafty posted:I want to get to know the man behind the bad posts. Where are you from stux, and why Akuma posted:also API changes to let Xbone games be aware they're on a Series and react appropriately. then again we are stepping into nda'ed territory and it is easier to just watch the madness spread rather than refute point-by-point and show hands before official reveals. hope you're far away from the madness epicentre surrounding stux and crafty down there i hear it's contagious
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Akuma posted:As a proponent of PC gaming I can see why you'd think the distinction between "turn it on if you want but we can't guarantee it'll work great" (which is what boost mode basically originally said on PS4 Pro) vs "you get the best version of the game" isn't worthwhile but it's not nothing. i think you are misreading me here, im not denying that. not at all. in fact i 100% understand the preference between it being automatic vs a toggle for either side. what im saying is the assertion that the xbox will never, ever, under any circumstances run a game at close to original performance in order to deal with the edge case of games which for whatever reason kick up a stink when the hardware its dealing with is too different is nonsensical. if a game cant work unless the series x runs it exactly as it is on the xbone it will run exactly as it is on the xbone rather than not work. im not stuck on compatibility modes, they brought up sony mentioning their compatibility mode in their technical presentation as something the xbox was not doing. they then would not accept that the xbox was in fact using a "legacy" mode in order to get gcn targeted xbone games running on the rdna2 gpu. they also said they didnt even mean autohdr etc, and the context for them mentioning the legacy mode for the ps5 bc was them saying "Most games will probably run about the same that they did on PS4 or PS4 Pro". this was entirely because of them seeing the legacy mode diagram and not understanding what they were looking at. i dont think you would deny that sony have said pretty clearly games will be enhanced, and they have included frame rate and resolution increases over ps4/pro versions.
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Fair enough. I should probably stop speaking for that other person!
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Akuma posted:Fair enough. I should probably stop speaking for that other person! I disengaged from the conversation, but here's what I said initially that they objected to. Zerot posted:Sony's messaging for next-gen has been so off. I'm mostly willing to blame covid, but I wonder how much is due to internal staff changes. It's hard not to second guess their statements at this point though. I explained why I think that, and maybe I'm wrong. It's fine. It really doesn't need to keep going.
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https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/1310994665865314304 Glad the move to $70 games didn't remove the need for our precious deluxe editions. e; lmao 
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Half a SSD expansion card for 1 game lmao
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univbee posted:So here's a curiosity. Here's a list of the top 100 games played on PS4 last month (August 2020). Aside from the titles which aren't on PS4, what games are any of you actively playing on PS4 or XB1 that aren't part of this list? Tekken 7, tekken tag 2, tekken 6, virtua fighter 5, fallout new vegas, skate 3, Totally Accurate Battle Simulator, middle earth shadow of war, dishonored 2/death of the outsider, outer wilds, Ikaruga. So 4 games with gold titles and 6 gamepass titles out of 12 games (I bought tekken 7 but it's on gamepass now). Ikaruga was free with gold on the Argentina store (iirc) if you managed to snag it online. Xbox really does just provide crazy value for me personally. Seltzer fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Sep 29, 2020 |
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Barudak posted:EA Play bringing you that Anthem content you crave. There's a rumor they're putting out an NHL 94 remaster, something I've been personally screaming for and really really want. I need all the 94s, madden was the best when juking was literally turning in a circle.
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I've heard rumblings that NFS Heat is actually a pretty good One Of Those, and Jedi Fallen Order is supposedly pretty good.
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Hoping Fallen Order goes on basic Play around mid-November as it will have been a year since release and just in time for the pre-order to arrive.
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