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Mode 7 posted:
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threelemmings posted:Ah, the Tom Jabbar. It punctures only... footballs. lmao
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Sep 29, 2020 15:45
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Mode 7 posted:Also sorry for posting duneauthor in the no duneauthor zone but people need to understand just how loving bad it is. Ok, so I assume that Dune 6 is a prequel and involves discussion examination of the fremen, how they got to Arrakis, how their culture developed, how they developed a relationship with the great worm that evolved into a religion. I thought it would be funny if the fremen were portrayed as farmers and they use the worms like beasts of burden. "Hyah! Hyah, Shaihulud, Hyah!" *snaps reigns* Ok so on to wikipedia to see what Dune 6/7 is like and WHAT THE JUMPIN JESUS IS THIS poo poo Ok, so it's the continuation of Frank's work, cool my bad. I don't even know where to start. "Though the Honored Matres had destroyed all Bene Tleilax worlds, their descendants (the Lost Tleilaxu) have returned from The Scattering." I thought the point of the scattering would remain scattered otherwise it breeds in fault that would allow mankind to go extinct. "Uxtal has been forced to use Tleilaxu axlotl tank technology to produce the adrenaline-enhancing drug used by Honored Matres." Yeah, because HM are totally fine with axlotl tanks  "The Paul ghola steals and consumes an overdose of spice in an attempt to remember his past, but instead has a vision of being stabbed by an evil version of himself." WTF is this poo poo " Daniel and Marty, now known to be thinking machine leaders Omnius and Erasmus." I uhh hmmm "Leto walks into the belly of the largest worm, Monarch, and the seven worms twist together and join into one giant superworm before digging deep into the ground." Well this is something. I'll let one critic quote end this post: "The lengthy climax relies on at least four consecutive deus ex machina bailouts"
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Sep 29, 2020 15:55
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Worms twisting together into a Wormking kinds rules 
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Sep 29, 2020 15:57
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Would low-g Arrakis make the worms more plausible by making it easier to move through the sand or something?
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Sep 29, 2020 16:14
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maybe early spaceflight had humans in low-g environments for so long that they could only settle low-gravity worlds. so it's never mentioned because they all consider it normal, but Caladan and Arrakis and Geidi Prime are all the size of the Moon, and if any human circa 10191 tried to walk on Earth they'd break all their bones that's dumb, frank just didn't pay attention when he wrote some of the stuff. too horny to think about gravity.
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Sep 29, 2020 16:18
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Here's a new edition of the first book for everyone to spend their money on. Only half remaining! https://www.foliosociety.com/uk/dune-limited-edition.html
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Sep 29, 2020 17:15
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No author could fully prepare for the zillion personhours nerds have spent poring over something like dune Things that don't matter to the story and aren't particularly interesting to the author get left out Then we all comic book guy the poo poo out if it
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Sep 29, 2020 17:17
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threelemmings posted:Ah, the Tom Jabbar. It punctures only... footballs. Haha, okay, this one really has me chuckling. Mode 7 posted:Is there anyone here who has read the original novels and who is still unaware of the plot for Hunters of Dune/Sandworms of Dune? If so can you please make up what you thought Dune 7 would be like/about in your head, then go read the summaries of those and report back. I treasure my ignorance, but I need to finish re-reading the series before making any good guesses. From what I remember of Chapterhouse 10+ years ago there didn't seem to be any obvious sequel hooks, so presumably just Miles Teg: Space Badass roaming around having adventures? Tree Bucket posted:That's the thing I love about Dune. It is compelling enough that your brain just tries to make it work, even though it's sheer madness from top to bottom. For instance: has anyone does the maths on the amount of energy required to shift an object half a kilometre long long and 40 metres wide through sand at 50kmh? I bet it's rather a lot. IIRC he does mention the immense static charge that builds up and the lightning it creates. Maker hooks must be some heavy duty grounding wires.
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Sep 29, 2020 17:19
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Chairdogs loving own
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Sep 29, 2020 19:04
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Chairdogs and cat dudes, worm gods and mouse boys
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Sep 29, 2020 19:07
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Ingmar terdman posted:Chairdogs and cat dudes, worm gods and mouse boys These are a few of my favourite thiiiings
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Sep 29, 2020 19:52
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ilovebeersooomuch posted:Ok, so I assume that Dune 6 is a prequel and involves discussion examination of the fremen, how they got to Arrakis, how their culture developed, how they developed a relationship with the great worm that evolved into a religion. Jihad on Failson and Goofus Starwar Boy. 
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Sep 29, 2020 20:23
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can't wait for the next dune series ghostwritten by karen traviss
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Sep 29, 2020 20:28
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I might be blurry on later books but ultraspice was failson thing, right?
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Sep 29, 2020 20:28
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StashAugustine posted:can't wait for the next dune series ghostwritten by karen traviss Tbh, it is a hard thing to surpass NO, gently caress YOU DAD! energy of duneauthor but Traviss can get close
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Sep 29, 2020 20:30
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Galewolf posted:I might be blurry on later books but ultraspice was failson thing, right? Oh yeah. From aquatic worms on caladan or some poo poo. That was a wild wiki romp when I decided to look through a summary of the failson books
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Sep 29, 2020 20:44
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Sep 29, 2020 21:13
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are chairdogs, like sligs, created by the Tleilaxu to spiritually degrade the people who use them?
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Sep 29, 2020 22:45
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Was it in there or in another thread where a goon posted their framed side by side Jodo/Lynch posters? As I recall that Jodo one was one of those hypothetical fan art ones made up to look like it was a full Dune movie, not the documentary. Wanted to see that art again
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Sep 29, 2020 23:46
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pnumoman posted:Oh yeah. From aquatic worms on caladan or some poo poo. ????
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Sep 30, 2020 08:00
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having googled it i now know that ULTRASPICE comes from seaworms genetically engineered by a man named Tylwyth Waff just loving say that aloud Tylwyth Waff
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Sep 30, 2020 09:35
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Sep 30, 2020 10:09
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Wingnut Ninja posted:Has anybody ever checked the celestial mechanics for Arrakis, because it doesn't seem to make sense. Arrakeen and most of the known civilization on the planet is said to be clustered far up in the northern regions, with Arrakeen being at a fairly high latitude. But at one point in Dune Messiah the sun is described as being almost "directly overhead" during mid day, which wouldn't happen without some extreme axial tilt. And if that were the case there would be significant parts of the year where the sun alternately doesn't set or doesn't rise, which you think would have been mentioned at some point. I think Bradbury's Defence may apply here.
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Sep 30, 2020 11:12
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Zopotantor posted:I think Bradbury's Defence may apply here. What is that? Googling it just shows a bunch of sports articles.
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Sep 30, 2020 11:27
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tactlessbastard posted:What is that? Googling it just shows a bunch of sports articles. "So I hit him."
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Sep 30, 2020 11:31
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One thing I like about Dune is how it's full of awesome people and groups who nevertheless constantly fail and just eat poo poo for it whether or not it's their fault, and it just feels organic to the story rather than mean spirited for the sake of it.
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Sep 30, 2020 12:51
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Eau de MacGowan posted:having googled it i now know that ULTRASPICE comes from seaworms genetically engineered by a man named Tylwyth Waff That name is a) Welsh b) from GOOD BOOK heretics of dune
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Sep 30, 2020 13:20
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euphronius posted:He started writing fascist garbage There were a lot of fascist-type characters in his novels, but those were usually the bad guys. From what I recall of the Across Realtime series, he seemed pretty anti-government in general. From what you say I'd gather that's changed, but I haven't seen any examples yet. Is it in his newer fiction-writing, or essays, or what?
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Sep 30, 2020 14:11
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sean10mm posted:One thing I like about Dune is how it's full of awesome people and groups who nevertheless constantly fail and just eat poo poo for it whether or not it's their fault, and it just feels organic to the story rather than mean spirited for the sake of it. Yeah, he's just poking fun at our expectations and grandiosity. He writes the same kinda stuff the epigrams between chapters, where people in the present, despite a lot of research and work, still make ridiculous assumptions about the ancient days.
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Sep 30, 2020 18:35
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Cacator posted:Here's a new edition of the first book for everyone to spend their money on. Only half remaining! https://www.foliosociety.com/uk/dune-limited-edition.html I got the first edition of the prior folio society one which was like $120 originally. But this? Holy cash grab batman. And to make it worse it comes with a failson book as well. Oh and it's only 700 bucks. What the gently caress.
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Sep 30, 2020 18:59
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I would like to get a nice hardcover of the first book but all these modern reissues look and seem kinda lame. Why can't they just slap one of those old weird paintings on a dust jacket and sell it to me
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Sep 30, 2020 19:17
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The first edition that Folio put out is actually really well done.
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_Loser_ posted:I got the first edition of the prior folio society one which was like $120 originally. But this? Holy cash grab batman. And to make it worse it comes with a failson book as well. Oh and it's only 700 bucks. What the gently caress. For the TRUE fans.
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Sep 30, 2020 20:23
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Publish the whole series (of 6 books) on filament paper no longer than the tip of my thumb, you'll cowards.
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Sep 30, 2020 21:10
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the planet size thing is a common problem in sci-fi cause to be able to create a fully accurate fictional world you need to have accurate knowledge of basically everything in the real world, which is basically impossible to just have you either have to do a shitload of boring, confusing research to learn the astrophysics of a solar system and then construct one to your specifications, having all the right dimensions, axial spin, distance from the sun, etc etc to have all the conditions you want or you can just say 'a massive desert world' and be done with it. the mistake is trying to big-dick it with incomplete knowledge. never give specific details that you are not sure about, because someone out there will be sure about it. herbert also didn't have the internet, so it was much harder to work these things out back then. these days you can pop onto a sci-fi astrophysics forum and say 'does this sound right' and helpful nerds will help you out. 'hard' sci fi is very difficult to write because rocket science is used as an example of a difficult thing for a reason. but i would always encourage doing the research, because often in the pursuit of researching one detail you will find some other fact that you didn't know about before, which can turn out to be even better than what you were originally thinking of.
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Sep 30, 2020 21:20
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Or you can go the neal stephenson/michael chricton route and know just enough about something to make a story and never speak about it again.
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TK-42-1 posted:Or you can go the neal stephenson/michael chricton route and know just enough about something to make a story Too bad Stephenson often can’t be bothered to do that. I’m still salty about how bad Reamde was.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:I’m still salty about how bad Reamde was. I really enjoyed the pulp that was The Big U from him, but I get frustrated when I think about the guy falling out of the window, landing on the couch, and bursting into flames "for reasons we would later discover." We never discovered them! He forgot to add that part.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Too bad Stephenson often can’t be bothered to do that. Reamde was deliberately an attempt to make an 'airport novel' adventure. It's pulpyness is part of it's charm. Def not his best work, but fun in a stupid way. Seveneves was worse, I reckon, because it was meant to be serious. Has anyone read Dodge yet?
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