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Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:A cx bike might have a more upright posture but a “standard” road bike could be anything from a race bike to an endurance style bike. You’d need to look at the actual geometry to see. What was the road bike you had? This is the one
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This is an endurance style geo bike, so it’s pretty upright already. The brake levers should be adjustable if the issue was their reach. I’m assuming you were having trouble braking from the hoods?
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Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:This is an endurance style geo bike, so it’s pretty upright already. The brake levers should be adjustable if the issue was their reach. I’m assuming you were having trouble braking from the hoods? Yeah, to get any real leverage on the brakes I had to grip from the top of the hooks. Is adjustable brake positioning something to look out for as a feature or should most decent quality ones have them as standard? In the case of my Triban they were built right into the hoods so I can't see how they could have been moved.
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Sep 29, 2020 13:06
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multijoe posted:Yeah, to get any real leverage on the brakes I had to grip from the top of the hooks. Is adjustable brake positioning something to look out for as a feature or should most decent quality ones have them as standard? In the case of my Triban they were built right into the hoods so I can't see how they could have been moved. https://youtu.be/QTHFp3odtD0 That bike has 105 so they’re definitely adjustable. E: that generation of 105 might use shims instead, but it’s still adjustable Literally Lewis Hamilton fucked around with this message at 13:20 on Sep 29, 2020 |
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Sep 29, 2020 13:14
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multijoe posted:Been thinking about swapping out my hybrid commute bike for a cyclocross next year, do they generally have a more upright posture than a standard road bike? I've had a road bike before and the extremely hunched position you had to be in to grip the brakes properly didn't work for me at all Cyclocross bikes are not in any way made for comfortable long term riding. I was actually looking at a cyclocross bike initially and my LBS refused to sell me one because he said it was the wrong kind of bike for the riding I did and that I'd just hurt myself on it. He was right!
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Sep 29, 2020 13:16
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:Cyclocross bikes are not in any way made for comfortable long term riding. It all depends on bike set up/fit and your fitness. Might not work for someone new to the sport, but doesn’t make it a rule.
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Sep 29, 2020 13:33
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Literally Lewis Hamilton posted:https://youtu.be/QTHFp3odtD0 This is great to know, thanks. vikingstrike posted:It all depends on bike set up/fit and your fitness. Might not work for someone new to the sport, but doesn’t make it a rule. So my fitness is okay if not to the level of those hardcore lycra guys who overtake me on their racing bikes, but I was doing an 18 mile round trip daily commute into work before Covid on my hybrid. What would my best option be for an for an off-road capable commuting bike? Just stick with what I have or could it be worth switching to one of the specialised sub-types?
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multijoe posted:What would my best option be for an for an off-road capable commuting bike? Just stick with what I have or could it be worth switching to one of the specialised sub-types? The specialization you’re looking for is gravel bikes — bigger tires and more stability for longer rides than cross bikes.
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kimbo305 posted:The specialization you’re looking for is gravel bikes — bigger tires and more stability for longer rides than cross bikes. Thank you 
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:Cyclocross bikes are not in any way made for comfortable long term riding. This totally depends on the geometry of the bike and how its set up. I'd argue that a bike like my Jake the Snake, or a Lombard, or even a CAADX can be set up so it's just as comfortable as your average gravel bike. A TCX otoh is more difficult to make comfy. The issue with cross bikes is the BB is higher and the chainstays shorter leading to a slightly more agile yet less stable bike and often theres no way to put racks or even fenders on it.
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EvilJoven posted:This totally depends on the geometry of the bike and how its set up. I'd argue that a bike like my Jake the Snake, or a Lombard, or even a CAADX can be set up so it's just as comfortable as your average gravel bike. A TCX otoh is more difficult to make comfy. Yeah, it was a TCX I was looking at and my LBS guy said they're for short on-and-off rides and agile geometry and I'd only hurt myself on it. Glad to see he's willing to lose money so I don't kill myself, at least.
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I'll be honest telling someone they're gonna hurt themselves on a bike so no buy this one instead seems kinda weird It's far more likely that a more aggressive geo CX bike will just be uncomfortable and not as pleasant to ride if you don't have the flexibility for it, not that you're doomed to crash and die if you dare ride a bike that's not an endurance model
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The first thing I did with the bike I did buy was hit some tram rails and crash it, so maybe it's a matter of knowing your customer.
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Yeah the "you're gonna kill yourself!" bit is extremely overdramatic. Cross bikes aren't some crazy Evel Knieval flying stunt motorcycle (as much as their proponents would love them to be), they are just a bike oriented toward racing in variable conditions with tradeoffs that sacrifice comfort and "chill" riding characteristics. Also, crashing bikes happens. It'll be fine. You'll be fine. It's not the bike's fault. Like was said above, you are probably looking for an endurance road bike or a gravel bike in terms of something that is all-day comfortable but still pretty quick. Keep in mind, too, that "all-day comfort" is relative. You're still riding a bike for hours, not sitting on the couch. quote:Yeah, to get any real leverage on the brakes I had to grip from the top of the hooks. Is adjustable brake positioning something to look out for as a feature or should most decent quality ones have them as standard? In the case of my Triban they were built right into the hoods so I can't see how they could have been moved. Figuring out the brifter positioning and usage is going to be the same on every drop bar bike. The overall geometry might play a small part, but overall it's not too much part of the equation. Brifters can be repositioned on the handlebar and the levers have some minimal adjustment built in, but for the most part they are "one size fits all". You should be able to comfortably use the brifters from the hoods and the drops. Yes you will have more mechanical leverage from the drops, but most normal usage will be from the hoods. If you feel like you can't brake from the hoods there may be other issues at play. Guinness fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Sep 29, 2020 |
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Sep 29, 2020 18:02
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I assure you CX bikes are wrecked all over the world and live to ride another day. Promise.
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multijoe posted:This is great to know, thanks. What do you dislike about your current bike? You said hybrid, so I'm assuming it's a flat-bar but slick-tired bike? Have you tried taking it offroad? Most hybrids have wide enough tires that unless it's quite muddy, I'd think they'd handle it fine. Also: when you say "off-road", where on the spectrum of "well groomed hardpack dirt path" to "fuckin' gnarly" are we talking?
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quote:Yeah, to get any real leverage on the brakes I had to grip from the top of the hooks. Is adjustable brake positioning something to look out for as a feature or should most decent quality ones have them as standard? In the case of my Triban they were built right into the hoods so I can't see how they could have been moved. unless you have giant hands I don't think anyone can brake from the ends of the drops. I don't think many people ride at the very end of the drops that much unless you're moving your hands around during a long period of time on a flat and clear stretch or something e: I realize I interpreted this the wrong way and you meant you were having trouble braking from up on the hoods, so disregard if my post is pointless
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Sep 29, 2020 18:17
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The R7000 105 groupset has separate brifters for people with small hands. https://bike.shimano.com/en-EU/product/component/shimano105-r7000/ST-R7025-R.html
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HAIL eSATA-n posted:have you considered that nothing matters? I’ve come so far on my current bikes, and tried so hard. So yes, I consider that all the time.
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bicievino posted:What do you dislike about your current bike? You said hybrid, so I'm assuming it's a flat-bar but slick-tired bike? Have you tried taking it offroad? Most hybrids have wide enough tires that unless it's quite muddy, I'd think they'd handle it fine. I bought a hybrid (GT Transeo Expert) for commuting and off-road leisure but it's fairly heavy which is a drag for commuting and is miserable to handle on any particularly rough or loose terrain, so I've picked up a full-suspension mountain bike now for an actually good off-road experience and when I go back into the office next year I'd like to have a lighter more efficient bike for the long commute into work. For the commute bike it really only needs to be able hardpack dirt/slightly stony trails without getting the vapours, wouldn't plan to take it anywhere particularly spicy.
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multijoe posted:I bought a hybrid (GT Transeo Expert) for commuting and off-road leisure but it's fairly heavy which is a drag for commuting and is miserable to handle on any particularly rough or loose terrain, so I've picked up a full-suspension mountain bike now for an actually good off-road experience and when I go back into the office next year I'd like to have a lighter more efficient bike for the long commute into work. For the commute bike it really only needs to be able hardpack dirt/slightly stony trails without getting the vapours, wouldn't plan to take it anywhere particularly spicy. As stated earlier a gravel bike would be perfect. They come in all sorts of geometries from racy (Cervelo Aspero) to upright (Salsa Vaya). Some of them are even coming back in stock now as dealers get 2021s in. I know that Kona has shipments of 2021s going to stores now including some great gravel bikes.
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VacaGrande posted:As stated earlier a gravel bike would be perfect. They come in all sorts of geometries from racy (Cervelo Aspero) to upright (Salsa Vaya). Some of them are even coming back in stock now as dealers get 2021s in. I know that Kona has shipments of 2021s going to stores now including some great gravel bikes. I have a very local dealer who stocks GT and GT's gravel bikes seem to be poo poo hot? I was thinking I'll probably go for one of theirs.
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I refuse to use drops until I've won at least 1 race. I don't race.
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Drops are amazing for descending and headwinds whether you're racing or not. Your loss 
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I’m on the drops at least 50% of the time.
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multijoe posted:I have a very local dealer who stocks GT and GT's gravel bikes seem to be poo poo hot? I was thinking I'll probably go for one of theirs. Regarding the GT Grade (I think their only gravel bike) - be aware that it is a more aggressive position than your BTwin Triban. Personally I believe that any reasonably fit person can rapidly get used to drop bars with just a bit of stretching and maybe a few planks, but if your Btwin was downright unworkable for you, you should not look at buying any drop bar bike. Something like the flat bar Journeyman or flat bar Specialized Diverge Evo is probably more up your alley for replacing your commuter hybrid.
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I’m in the 
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Most low end cross bikes were just gravel bikes/bad weather commuters for roadies before the whole gravel bike thing happened anyways.
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hoods are more aero 
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bicievino posted:Regarding the GT Grade (I think their only gravel bike) - be aware that it is a more aggressive position than your BTwin Triban. Personally I believe that any reasonably fit person can rapidly get used to drop bars with just a bit of stretching and maybe a few planks, but if your Btwin was downright unworkable for you, you should not look at buying any drop bar bike. I could use the drop bars before, I just didn't particularly enjoy the hunched position. This has given me something to think on for now anyways, I really appreciate the advice, thanks.
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multijoe posted:I could use the drop bars before, I just didn't particularly enjoy the hunched position. This has given me something to think on for now anyways, I really appreciate the advice, thanks. Right on. We're at a point where there is an overwhelming amount of choice in terms of different styles. They all have trade-offs, so really it's about figuring out what matches best with how you want to ride. Good luck and don't pick an ugly color.
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multijoe posted:I could use the drop bars before, I just didn't particularly enjoy the hunched position. This has given me something to think on for now anyways, I really appreciate the advice, thanks. I rode my 2014 Grade 212 miles in one go. It's a fine endurance bike as long as you put the effort into getting the touch points positioned and tuned to your liking. By the time I was ready for STP I'd swapped in ergo bars, shorter stem, plusher tape, a nice seat, and easier to adjust seatpost. resident fucked around with this message at 20:58 on Sep 29, 2020 |
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Skarsnik posted:hoods are more aero Only if your forearms are flat
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I mean they are not exactly lumpy
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I think I've used the drops twice this year, maybe three times.
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multijoe posted:I have a very local dealer who stocks GT and GT's gravel bikes seem to be poo poo hot? I was thinking I'll probably go for one of theirs. bicievino posted:Regarding the GT Grade (I think their only gravel bike) - be aware that it is a more aggressive position than your BTwin Triban. Can you test ride? The GT Grade is pretty sweet, but of course a GT dealer is gonna talk it up. It's one of the few bikes where the aluminum version is significantly different, lacking all the compliance stuff built into the carbon frame. Dunno how that factors into your budget.
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if you want to feel cool you can put a bunch of spacers on your stem and then use the drops without having to lean over as far 
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Took my new Vapour Pope out on a small group ride where it turned out everyone else was an ex-pro, and everyone loved the kit so double win. (Unthinking sexism edited out after rightly being called on it immediately) MrL_JaKiri fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Sep 29, 2020 |
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Took my new Vapour Pope out on a small group ride where it turned out everyone else was an ex-pro in either cycling or triathlon. Fortunately a) they were all women so I wasn't getting dropped and b) the Vapour Pope went down very well. I'm assuming you didn't mean it that way but your bullet point a) reads pretty tacky from where I'm sitting.
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e.pilot fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Sep 29, 2020 |
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