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I'm about at the point where even if it somehow reduced tax income I'd vote for it if it meant loving over the rich. Bunch of good for nothing parasites.
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Sb 687 has the new tax rates , under 250k you save a few bucks, worst case is i think 7.99% on your income . It's written oddly and I don't care enough to figure it out. If you're actually confused what it will do I don't actually believe you because it's really simple and was a big political issue like a year and a half ago The detractors are probably right in that having more revenue makes it less likely that budgets get cut. Make of that what you will
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Sep 25, 2020 16:05
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mastershakeman posted:
Definitely a well thought out and reasonable argument, one bad thing might potentially happen so we better make sure to do nothing and continue to live in an unsustainable situation.
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Sep 25, 2020 16:11
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mastershakeman posted:The detractors are probably right in that having more revenue makes it less likely that budgets get cut. Make of that what you will I mean, isn't the whole point of raising more revenue
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Sep 25, 2020 16:17
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:Most people are feeling extremely iffy about mail in voting. Since they do not trust mail in voting, they instead are voting early (probably for the first time) and they do not realize that the first few days can have the highest turnout for early voting. True; I just figured that the most politically engaged (who are most likely those to vote early) would also be the most on-board with mail-in voting. I will admit that my worldview might be skewed: even my Fox-news poisoned parents are 100% on board with mail-in voting; however, they've also been taking this COVID stuff seriously as well, so . . . in conclusion, the conservative voter is a land of contrasts?  In IL, do we have the option for in-person dropboxes to drop off a ballot (versus mailing in)? I suppose I'll find out when I get my ballot in 5-7 days or whatever.
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Sep 25, 2020 17:02
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Badger of Basra posted:I mean, isn't the whole point of raising more revenue The opposing argument is, in fact, “we shouldn’t let the government have more money because they can exchange money for goods and services.” yes.
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Sep 25, 2020 17:05
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If you're in Chicago you can drop off your mail-in ballot at one of the early voting sites instead of putting it in the mail, if you're worried about that. I think this option becomes available in a couple weeks, and there's one early voting site in each ward. Not sure about elsewhere in Illinois.
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Sep 25, 2020 17:05
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Badger of Basra posted:If you're in Chicago you can drop off your mail-in ballot at one of the early voting sites instead of putting it in the mail, if you're worried about that. Less that I'm worried about anything, than it is a counter-argument to "PUTTING IT IN THE MAIL IS UNSAFE, TAMPERING!" because then it's just like "Okay well drop it off in person at the election HQ then?"
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Sep 25, 2020 17:07
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Zarin posted:True; I just figured that the most politically engaged (who are most likely those to vote early) would also be the most on-board with mail-in voting. I will admit that my worldview might be skewed: even my Fox-news poisoned parents are 100% on board with mail-in voting; however, they've also been taking this COVID stuff seriously as well, so . . . in conclusion, the conservative voter is a land of contrasts? I wouldn't be surprised if the relentless propaganda of mail in voting being a fraud and the post office taking 69 years to deliver a letter has had an effect. As stupid as it seems, people do in fact adjust their behaviors based on whatever news is still echoing around in their skull.
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Sep 25, 2020 17:20
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xzzy posted:I wouldn't be surprised if the relentless propaganda of mail in voting being a fraud and the post office taking 69 years to deliver a letter has had an effect. As stupid as it seems, people do in fact adjust their behaviors based on whatever news is still echoing around in their skull. You're right, of course. I don't know why I expect better of people. In other news, has anyone seen this article? Thoughts? https://www.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/z3eam5/if-you-live-in-illinois-facebook-probably-owes-you-dollar400?__twitter_impression=true Vice lol posted:If You Live in Illinois, Facebook Probably Owes You $400 As much (little) as I use Facebook, it seems highly likely that I qualify. What horrible things are going to happen to me if I sign up for some ZuckBucks?
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Sep 25, 2020 17:34
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Nothing horrible will happen unless you count forfeiting the right to sue Facebook over this same issue as an individual after you receive your settlement, same as any class action. If you uploaded a picture or someone else uploaded a picture of you that ended up tagged with your real name, you're eligible for a chunk of the settlement.
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Sep 25, 2020 19:17
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I think fair tax passing has a snowball's chance in hell, which will be hilarious when the assembly has to raise everyone's taxes by a lot in order to meet the shortfall.
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Sep 25, 2020 20:15
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Jows posted:I think fair tax passing has a snowball's chance in hell, which will be hilarious when the assembly has to raise everyone's taxes by a lot in order to meet the shortfall. BuT I VoTeD No sO SpRiNgFiElD CaN'T RaIsE My tAxEs lIkE ThE Ad sAiD!
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Sep 25, 2020 20:29
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CJacobs posted:Political ads should be illegal I think the Supreme Court has made it pretty clear that political ads are free speech, so this isn't changing without an amendment, and good luck with that. Aside from that, making political ads illegal is extremely troublesome anyway. What constitutes a political ad? Who gets to decide what is political? Does this apply to the internet too? You are going to have an extremely tough time legislating something like that.
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Sep 25, 2020 20:35
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Jows posted:I think fair tax passing has a snowball's chance in hell, which will be hilarious when the assembly has to raise everyone's taxes by a lot in order to meet the shortfall. It was looking at 66% in favor But yeah since it needs 60% it's close
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Sep 25, 2020 20:38
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The last poll done was in March from what I can tell. Unless someone has an internal poll they're not letting out, I don't think anyone can guess what it'll do on election day.
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Sep 25, 2020 20:53
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Bird in a Blender posted:I think the Supreme Court has made it pretty clear that political ads are free speech, so this isn't changing without an amendment, and good luck with that. Aside from that, making political ads illegal is extremely troublesome anyway. What constitutes a political ad? Who gets to decide what is political? Does this apply to the internet too? You are going to have an extremely tough time legislating something like that. I wouldn't mind seeing some kind of truth in advertising laws applied to political stuff which would require that the ad specify which political party they represent. For example, I got a mailer for Jim Durkin yesterday but it didn't state his Republican party affiliation anywhere on it. And I've seen Dem mailers with the same issue. And it's compounded by the fact that the web sites for the politicians also don't prominently display party affiliation and make you search for it.
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Sep 25, 2020 20:59
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https://twitter.com/capitolfax/status/1309599189886623744 drat, going out sad.
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Sep 25, 2020 22:09
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Bird in a Blender posted:I think the Supreme Court has made it pretty clear that political ads are free speech, so this isn't changing without an amendment, and good luck with that. Aside from that, making political ads illegal is extremely troublesome anyway. What constitutes a political ad? Who gets to decide what is political? Does this apply to the internet too? You are going to have an extremely tough time legislating something like that. Miss me with that slippery slope poo poo, man. Being intentionally deceiving by hiding your bias or appealing to a demographic's prejudices should not be allowed, full stop. Employing manipulation through deception in advertising is already considered false advertising in places like the UK, Australia, New Zealand.
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Sep 26, 2020 12:07
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Bird in a Blender posted:I think the Supreme Court has made it pretty clear that political ads are free speech, so this isn't changing without an amendment, and good luck with that. Aside from that, making political ads illegal is extremely troublesome anyway. What constitutes a political ad? Who gets to decide what is political? Does this apply to the internet too? You are going to have an extremely tough time legislating something like that.
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Sep 26, 2020 12:58
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Well the new amendment and the concurrent act setting tax rates makes it clear that a future legislature could set tax rates to 0 if you make over 1 million and 10% if you don't, so I assume you're ok with ads about that because it's 100% truthful and any politician promising not to do that could just be lying
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Sep 26, 2020 13:42
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I really hope people are irony posting because boy are there some bad takes being shot front the hip rn.
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Sep 26, 2020 15:20
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CJacobs posted:Miss me with that slippery slope poo poo, man. Being intentionally deceiving by hiding your bias or appealing to a demographic's prejudices should not be allowed, full stop. Employing manipulation through deception in advertising is already considered false advertising in places like the UK, Australia, New Zealand. Yea, but you said you want to ban all political ads, not just ones that are purposefully deceiving. Yea, I am all for banning those, and I think that's something that could actually get done. We already have false advertising laws, do these not apply to political ads? I'm genuinely asking; I guess we would need an AG willing to try it out. I completely hate our current situation, Citizens United has made poo poo completely awful, but you can't ban political ads as a whole without amending the constitution. Sometimes people actually put out ads for poo poo I want done! I know somebody in congress has floated the idea of taking all private money out of political races and making them publicly funded. I think I'd be all for that, but I don't know how it withstands the courts.
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Well before you can argue it in court you're gonna have to convince the people who would be regulated by the law to actually vote to pass it.
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Will County, IL ballots were mailed on 9/24, I received mine today. Gonna send it back on Monday and hopefully it will be received by Weds/Thurs.
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Sep 26, 2020 20:46
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Just received mine today. I am going to drop them (along with my wife’s) off at the county clerk’s office on Monday.
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Sep 26, 2020 22:46
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My area is getting demoted. Starting Saturday, no indoor dining again. Can't say I'm surprised as my Facebook feed lately has been filled with pictures of people going out to see a couple local bands and practicing absolutely zero precautions. The singers in both bands and their significant others are all self-quarantined w/ symptoms awaiting test results. I feel like I'm back in school and the entire class is getting denied recess because one or two kids can't behave.
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Sep 30, 2020 00:31
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Yikes. https://twitter.com/jasonfechner/status/1311031444626702339
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Sep 30, 2020 01:02
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Build the Illinois/Wisconsin wall.
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Yeah, there's a huge spike in Northeastern Wisconsin - Brown County (Green Bay) and all the counties around it. My mom's been pressuring me to go to a cousin's wedding in Waukesha county to "represent her" ('cuz she's not going up from AZ), and last week Wisconsin had the highest 7-day positivity rate of any state at 16.99%. NOPE!!! I have a feeling it's going to be even worse in two weeks. It's like they're just realizing poo poo's getting real now, so it's likely already spread to a whole bunch of other people who will be getting sick soon.
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Sep 30, 2020 01:17
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Ballot question: there is a spot for Ballot Code but I cannot what I am supposed to put on there.
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Sep 30, 2020 03:09
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I was loving pumped to go to northern Wisconsin this weekend too, it's peak fall color up there right now. Would have been my first anything away from home since February. But no, 2020 must continue to take.
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:Ballot question: there is a spot for Ballot Code but I cannot what I am supposed to put on there. I assume nothing. I didn’t see anything like that on my ballot, and it’s probably something for the Clerk’s office.
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FYI - Will County mailed my ballot last Thursday, I received it Saturday. I put it in my mailbox on Monday, and they received it yesterday. So here, things seem to working as they should.
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Oct 1, 2020 18:10
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LabyaMynora posted:Will County, IL ballots were mailed on 9/24, I received mine today. I'd like to suggest that IL peeps are better off waiting for the InjusticeWatch judge recs to be released in a few days before filling out your ballots and returning them. Their recs are really, really good & detailed and I followed them to a T in 2018. edit: Looks like they only cover Cook County. 
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Willa Rogers posted:I'd like to suggest that IL peeps are better off waiting for the InjusticeWatch judge recs to be released in a few days before filling out your ballots and returning them. Ty for the heads up. I like Girl, I Guess; hoping they're out soon too.
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Oct 1, 2020 19:20
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Got my ballot and will probably wait for info on judges before sending it in.
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Dexo posted:It can generate as much as it wants. No no you're supposed to weep for the retirees and small business owners clearing $250k a year
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I think Girl, I Guess is out now... but I also think they're being swamped at the moment.
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CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:I think Girl, I Guess is out now... but I also think they're being swamped at the moment. https://docs.google.com/document/d/...=h.m5g7fy461pfb That is a direct link to the Doc I think.
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