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Codependent Poster posted:lol what a shocker, he's more appalled the democratic candidate isn't progressive enough than Trump refusing to disown white supremacists. I mean, you hope that the “progressive” party is progressive about anything. It’s not as disappointing when the right-wing party isn’t.
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ratbert90 posted:Joe Biden would lead to an even worse Trump due to his ineffectual centrism that also lead to Reagan, Bush JR and Trump the first time. This is textbook catastrophizing. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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volts5000 posted:So let's sink a little more. And in four years, we'll sink a little more and be even closer. And in ANOTHER four years, we'll sink more and be almost there! Holy poo poo! Think of far down we'll be after that! It'll be amazing! Ah yes, I too want to reward the people who sank the loving boat in the first place with their poo poo behavior. Great idea!
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Youth Decay posted:Do you really think Sanders (who is notably not that great at debating and has a tendency to repeatedly return to his stump speech when flustered) would have done any better against Trump's bullshit tsunami? I think people seem mostly annoyed that joe biden's apparent entire pitch is "I'm not donald trump" which seems like a rather short term political plan? Like people want improvements, not just... managed decline? No we can't support BLM, no we can't support radical climate action, you must just choose a slow suffocation rather than a quick drowning and if you don't you're the problem. I think getting mad at people for being absolutely sick of that being politics for their entire lives and every meager victory, every paltry holding action being fought with the enthusiasm of a wet rag while any attempt at principled, positive improvement is crushed and belittled as laughable idealism is just... Like who is responsible for that burnout? Who is responsible for people feeling utterly apathetic at only ever being offered "we're not the worse guys" as a choice? How long can that be sustained? Biden might well win, but if he goes on to spend his term suppressing BLM protests and delaying climate action what's 2024 gonna be like? What are the lives of the people you want to vote for him gonna be like? Where is the future gonna be? How long can people offered nothing positive be blamed? You can't make a future just yelling at people who want something and are told from all quarters "no you can't have anything, but vote for my guy!" If biden doesn't get through, or if it's too close for comfort, or if 2024 flips back to someone who will do exactly what trump does, who is going to be to blame? If people watch the debates and come away with the impression that everything is just hosed or that biden doesn't support them, why is that not his fault? OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Sep 30, 2020 |
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Better analogy than life rafts is that Trump is the cop that shoots kids in the back, Biden is the cop that shoots kids in the leg and calls the union rep while they bleed out
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spacetoaster posted:"I am the Democrat party" Joe isn't going to listen to any of us and I'm not going to be fooled into thinking he will. Even if he’s a dastardly Clintonian or Obamacrat, the status quo they set out was better than Trump sabotaging every federal agency, stacking the judiciary, undoing all the EPA regulations he could, and actively loving over everyone while grifting his way through 4 years. I can’t begin to comprehend why you feel a candidate must act as your personal sock puppet for legislation to justify voting against the guy currently dismantling democracy by sabotaging voting, encouraging militias to “watch” the polls, and preemptively declaring he won’t cede power.
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You really need to gently caress off with this poo poo.
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LionArcher posted:That's your theory. We don't know that for sure. It’s only happened three times before. NBD.
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How are u posted:Are you really going to do the whole right-wing thing of calling them the "democrat" party? I don't know what that is. I was making light of the fact that Biden started the debate off by saying the he is the Democrat party. lol
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gently caress off rear end in a top hat. It’s a trend that’s happened repeatedly over the last four decades.
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LionArcher posted:That's your theory. We don't know that for sure. I mean it's not like we have an entire career's trajectory to base that on, good point
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Please take some time to familiarize yourself with catastrophizing, it can have serious consequences. This is a gross as poo poo tack to take on people looking at a person's history of inflicting misery (and his vows to do nothing about it) and making a judgment call on likely outcomes due to it
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How are u posted:Are you really going to do the whole right-wing thing of calling them the "democrat" party? Biden literally announced 'I am the Democratic Party' within the first five minutes of the debate Vincent Van Goatse posted:Please take some time to familiarize yourself with catastrophizing, it can have serious consequences. Oh, well, if we're talking about catastrophizing then why do you think Trump is so bad? He's just another president that will come and go. America will endure. Don't vote for Joe because Trump isn't that bad I guess.
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ratbert90 posted:Joe Biden would lead to an even worse Trump due to his ineffectual centrism that also lead to Reagan, Bush JR and Trump the first time. Jimmy Carter was a centrist? (for the late 70s) I also wasn't aware that Bush Jr or Reagan had said they might not step down depending on the election results
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Nix Panicus posted:Oh, well, if we're talking about catastrophizing then why do you think Trump is so bad? He's just another president that will come and go. America will endure. Don't vote for Joe because Trump isn't that bad I guess. This is spectacularly obtuse.
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have you seen what's already happened?
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nine-gear crow posted:People are mad that the life raft they're being thrown isn't bedazzled with diamonds and will willingly take a gulp of sea water out of spite. "They're just mad that their life raft isn't ostentatiously, uselessly trinketed," a very cogent criticism of leftists 
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SKULL.GIF posted:"They're just mad that their life raft isn't ostentatiously, uselessly trinketed," a very cogent criticism of leftists You don't understand metaphors... Or?
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Obama's ineffectual centrism led to Trump. Clinton's ineffectual centrism led to W. Carter's ineffectual centrism led to Reagan. How far back do you need to go before you accept evidence as evidence?
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fart simpson posted:have you seen what's already happened? I have. Which is exactly why assuming a Trump defeat will only make things worse is catastrophizing.
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SKULL.GIF posted:"They're just mad that their life raft isn't ostentatiously, uselessly trinketed," a very cogent criticism of leftists What? You want cops to just stop shooting unarmed people? Next you are going to ask for the world! Stop being so selfish and accept incremental change ok? How about instead of “don’t shoot unarmed people” we go with “shoot them in the leg?”
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ratbert90 posted:gently caress off rear end in a top hat. It’s a trend that’s happened repeatedly over the last four decades. Remember when people said the same thing about Hillary and that Trump winning would lead to the glorious socialist revolution in 2020?
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An undecided voter on CNN saying they agree with everything Trump said but disliked HOW he said it is super-depressing.
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TyrantWD posted:Remember when people said the same thing about Hillary and that Trump winning would lead to the glorious socialist revolution in 2020? Donald the Dove!
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SKULL.GIF posted:Obama's ineffectual centrism led to Trump. Obama being black and Hilary Clinton being Hilary Clinton led to Trump's election c'mon
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Ruthie from PA is 100% voting for trump after being swayed by an anti hunter biden commercial on November 1st
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MakaVillian posted:You don't understand metaphors... Or? "Look, we need a robust lifeboat that can actually carry all the people on it if we have a chance of surviving this." *is handed a rotting, hole-ridden raw cardboard tub* "What the gently caress?" "You just want diamonds. Pfah. Greedy purity testers."
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SKULL.GIF posted:Obama's ineffectual centrism led to Trump. You've convinced me, we need to vote for Trump so that we don't get more Trump.
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ElrondHubbard posted:I can’t begin to comprehend why you feel a candidate must act as your personal sock puppet for legislation to justify voting against the guy currently dismantling democracy by sabotaging voting, encouraging militias to “watch” the polls, and preemptively declaring he won’t cede power. "personal sock puppet" (lol) seems to imply that I'm refusing to vote for Biden because he didn't do every little thing I wanted. The fact is, Biden isn't promising to do anything at all (he won't even ban fracking for fucks sake), and you're acting as though I should be grateful to vote for him. The Democrats can either start actually offering to do things we want (instead of going along and voting for Trump's legislative agenda as they have been doing) or they can go in the dustbin of history and (hopefully) get replaced by something better.
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Noted Centrist Jimmy Carter.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:I have. Which is exactly why assuming a Trump defeat will only make things worse is catastrophizing. assuming a trump win will make things worse is also catastrophizing
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TyrantWD posted:Remember when people said the same thing about Hillary and that Trump winning would lead to the glorious socialist revolution in 2020? Yeah, if the DNC wanted to support any form of socialism at all that would have happened.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:This is spectacularly obtuse. Stop catastophizing. America will survive Trump. This election is just another road bump. I, for one, am voting my conscious on this one and not voting for Joe and will encourage others to vote third party
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Stop doing this, it’s lovely. I loving hate Joe Biden but I’m gonna vote for him, but it is totally understandable for Americans to think, in this moment in time especially, that we’re hosed. People aren’t fantasizing that things are really bad. Things are really loving bad and voting for Joe Biden is literally the least I can do and there’s a good chance his presidency will amount to poo poo and we’re even closer to complete disaster. This isn’t catastrophizing, this is recognizing trends in our country and where those logically lead.
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Jerusalem posted:An undecided voter on CNN saying they agree with everything Trump said but disliked HOW he said it is super-depressing. I can't imagine anyone whose views would lead them to agree with everything Trump said was actually undecided.
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Jerusalem posted:An undecided voter on CNN saying they agree with everything Trump said but disliked HOW he said it is super-depressing. Some dude is mad about Trump being called a clown
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GreatGreen posted:What Biden did was pretty smart tonight. The "No Green New Deal" and "No Defunding the Police" stuff was 100% to counter Trump's crazy conspiracy theories he's selling to his base about Biden. Lmfao are you serious? Republicans are going to vote for the Republican. The whole point of Trump constantly saying "you're controlled by the radical left! you support [thing left likes]!" was to get him to constantly deny it. The point is to get Sanders voters/leftists who have resigned themselves to voting for Biden to stay home.
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