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fart simpson posted:assuming a trump win will make things worse is also catastrophizing This isn't the clever retort you think it is.
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All you people whining about how Biden isn't a perfect progressive do realize that you can still organize, stay involved in local and national politics after the election, right? You can call your representatives, senators, &c. and agitate about what concerns you. You will never get the policies you want without forcing the politicians you elect to move in the direction you want. Just remember that this doesn't stop when you cast your vote. Don't just vote and then go and wish real hard to yourself or bitch on the internet. If you want something you have to force your politicians in that direction, but that doesn't work if you have a president and party who truly do not give a gently caress about you.
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CNN right now is gross. So many loving idiots
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Sep 30, 2020 04:34
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:This isn't the clever retort you think it is. 
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SKULL.GIF posted:"Look, we need a robust lifeboat that can actually carry all the people on it if we have a chance of surviving this."
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SKULL.GIF posted:"They're just mad that their life raft isn't ostentatiously, uselessly trinketed," a very cogent criticism of leftists It is when the primary is over and some of said leftists are declaring in favor of SKULL.GIF posted:Obama's ineffectual centrism led to Trump. The EPA was running and regulations were expanded under those dem admins, healthcare was expanded as well, and various other causes important to the left, yet here we are hemming and hawing as Donnie “White Supremacists on Standby” Trump readies to double down on ending every leftist cause he can get his hands on. No matter which leftist would theoretically be elected, their administration would be imperfect and the political pendulum would swing the other way the way it has throughout US history.
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Fellwenner posted:All you people whining about how Biden isn't a perfect progressive do realize that you can still organize, stay involved in local and national politics after the election, right? You can call your representatives, senators, &c. and agitate about what concerns you. so you're saying it won't work no matter who wins this election?
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ratbert90 posted:Ah yes, I too want to reward the people who sank the loving boat in the first place with their poo poo behavior. Great idea! You're bitching about a life raft analogy and trying to bring everyone down, and for what? What is even your point?
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MakaVillian posted:Obama being black and Hilary Clinton being Hilary Clinton led to Trump's election c'mon Obama won the people you now think are unreachable racists. He won them twice. It wasn't Obama being black or Hillary being a woman that sunk them
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Sep 30, 2020 04:36
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ReidRansom posted:CNN right now is gross. So many loving idiots Holy poo poo there were way more people who thought Trump won
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Fellwenner posted:All you people whining about how Biden isn't a perfect progressive do realize that you can still organize, stay involved in local and national politics after the election, right? You can call your representatives, senators, &c. and agitate about what concerns you. I think showing them that we're capable of not voting for them is a way to move them in the direction we want.
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https://twitter.com/saletan/status/1311147110713171968 "he's saying it when he's not supposed to be saying it"
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MakaVillian posted:Holy poo poo there were way more people who thought Trump won I super liked what he said though!!!!! Just not how he said it! No, I'm not a racist but...
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Sep 30, 2020 04:38
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why should literally anyone care what this "undecided" focus group thinks if it has militant racists as members?
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DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/saletan/status/1311147110713171968 Why should we care what these people think? They’re racist trump supporters through and through.
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nine-gear crow posted:People are mad that the life raft they're being thrown isn't bedazzled with diamonds and will willingly take a gulp of sea water out of spite. if i told you to shut up i'd eat a probation, yet biden is allowed to shout it to the president of the united states. curious! shut up, idiot.
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Bootleg Trunks posted:Let's hit 5% people! Let’s hand the election to Trump people! That’ll surely be great for green initiatives.
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Nix Panicus posted:Stop catastophizing. America will survive Trump. This election is just another road bump. I, for one, am voting my conscious on this one and not voting for Joe and will encourage others to vote third party I mean, a few hundred thousand DACA recipients might die or have their lives ruined, but what does that matter against the true light of ideological purity?
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spacetoaster posted:I think showing them that we're capable of not voting for them is a way to move them in the direction we want. Voting third party indicates you were willing to jump through the hoops required to vote and decided Biden wasn't worth your support. Third party voting is the only way to register disagreement with the democrats, which is why they hate it so much they're actively trying to suppress third parties
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Fallom posted:why should literally anyone care what this "undecided" focus group thinks if it has militant racists as members? Because it's probably a decent cross section of the US 
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Rapner posted:Let’s hand the election to Trump people! That’ll surely be great for green initiatives. are you trying to imply that the party literally removing the green party from the ballot is going to be good for the green party?
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Conrad_Birdie posted:Stop doing this, it’s lovely. I loving hate Joe Biden but I’m gonna vote for him, but it is totally understandable for Americans to think, in this moment in time especially, that we’re hosed. People aren’t fantasizing that things are really bad. Things are really loving bad and voting for Joe Biden is literally the least I can do and there’s a good chance his presidency will amount to poo poo and we’re even closer to complete disaster. This isn’t catastrophizing, this is recognizing trends in our country and where those logically lead. Vincent Van Goatse posted:Noted Centrist Jimmy Carter. He's associated with Clinton policy wise and wikipedia finds him moderate at least in how he campaigned what's the objection to that?
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Nix Panicus posted:Voting third party indicates you were willing to jump through the hoops required to vote and decided Biden wasn't worth your support. Third party voting is the only way to register disagreement with the democrats, which is why they hate it so much they're actively trying to suppress third parties This is a stupid loving idea.
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ascii genitals posted:You're bitching about a life raft analogy and trying to bring everyone down, and for what? What is even your point? The point is Joe and the DNC are bad and shouldn’t be rewarded for their terrible behavior. Everybody should vote 3rd party instead of for the people who looked at the boat that was listing to the right and decided that moving more and more to the right was better than moving to the left to upright the boat. FlapYoJacks fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Sep 30, 2020 |
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Fellwenner posted:You will never get the policies you want without forcing the politicians you elect to move in the direction you want. I agree. How do you do that if they know you'll vote for them no matter what?
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Space Gopher posted:I mean, a few hundred thousand DACA recipients might die or have their lives ruined, but what does that matter against the true light of ideological purity?
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Nix Panicus posted:Voting third party indicates you were willing to jump through the hoops required to vote and decided Biden wasn't worth your support. Third party voting is the only way to register disagreement with the democrats, which is why they hate it so much they're actively trying to suppress third parties B-b-but I though the democrats were the protectors of democracy!?!?
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spacetoaster posted:I think showing them that we're capable of not voting for them is a way to move them in the direction we want. And how has that worked so far? Worked really well for Nader voters in the 00's, also worked really well for Green/Libertarians in '16.
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ReidRansom posted:CNN right now is gross. So many loving idiots Sir, SIR? SIR! You are catastrophizing right now. Please cease and accept your shoddy life raft
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Glumwheels posted:Why should we care what these people think? They’re racist trump supporters through and through. Because you have to live in the same country as them. All of them, the chuddiest chuds to the lowest of low information undecided waffler. In any sort of representative form of government, you'll need to come to some mode of living side by side with all of them in a way that doesn't result in bloodshed and violence.
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ascii genitals posted:This is a stupid loving idea. Voter suppression via removing third parties from the ballot because of massive insecurity over voters having any other choice? Yeah I agree thats real loving dumb, and yet the democrats keep doing it
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Fellwenner posted:And how has that worked so far? Worked really well for Nader voters in the 00's, also worked really well for Green/Libertarians in '16. Looking at the Democrats? Not well. Hopefully that party will change, or go away, sooner rather than later.
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Kreeblah posted:I agree. How do you do that if they know you'll vote for them no matter what? Pick up your phone and call them! Write a physical letter, send an email, go to the local office of your representative, assuming you're not in pandemic lockdown.
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ratbert90 posted:The point is Joe and the DNC are bad and shouldn’t be rewarded for their terrible behavior. Everybody should vote 3rd party instead of for the people who looked at the boat that was listing to the right and decided that moving more and more to the right was better than moving to the left to center the boat. There are no 3rd parties with candidates that are inspiring. The green party has failed to move Democrats left in any election over, what, the last 30 years? No one is going to feel punished because you and two other morons are casting protest votes for some nobody. Get real. You could be doing real work to influence local and state elections, but instead you're here casting doom and gloom about voting against Trump. Ineffectual, uninspiring foolishness.
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Fellwenner posted:And how has that worked so far? Worked really well for Nader voters in the 00's, also worked really well for Green/Libertarians in '16. how has voting blue worked out since 2000?
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Fellwenner posted:Pick up your phone and call them! Write a physical letter, send an email, go to the local office of your representative, assuming you're not in pandemic lockdown. We are poor. Why would they care about what we have to say?
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fart simpson posted:are you trying to imply that the party literally removing the green party from the ballot is going to be good for the green party? The only people removing the Green party is the Green party for not following the rules or paying something on time or giving enough of a gently caress to actually get on the ballot themselves. It’s almost like they don’t expect to win but do intend to collect some donations.
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MakaVillian posted:Jimmy Carter was a centrist? (for the late 70s) He absolutely was?
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giving a poo poo about bipartisan politics is literally a trap meant to sap energy that could go towards organizing local efforts that could change things on a small scale and work towards greater and better things by redirecting that energy towards picking between one of two rapists and the worst part is that it actually works
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Fellwenner posted:And how has that worked so far? Worked really well for Nader voters in the 00's, also worked really well for Green/Libertarians in '16. Well enough that the Democrats are fighting tooth and nail to keep the Greens off the ballot.
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