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Xealot posted:Yeah, you're asking hardline religious fundamentalists to be rational about their 2000-year-old religion. Wearing mixed-fiber clothing is as sinful as homosexuality in the Old Testament, but try asking an Evangelical Christian about it. Thing is that new branches of religion basically retcon practices and lore to advance political gain and secure more followers. Church doctrine only seems incoherent to outsiders who have zero knowledge of the history and contexts which led to contemporary practices. Look at how the alien planet, Roman era submarines and huge cavalry battles of the New World look like coherent Christianity to Mormons, while looking like really lovely New Testament fanfic to outsiders. Look at how rapidly the Mormon church went from being a polygamist cult being chased across the continent by federal forces, with bloody skirmishes with everyone who crossed their path, to Mitt Romney being a respectable and acceptable political figure with beliefs that are not openly questioned except by those who know the conflict of interest/dual-loyalty inherent in the Mormon culture. For early Christianity that meant throwing out the Old Testament law in its entirety, and then picking up the few things it liked when politically and socially necessary. Overwriting Jewish holidays with blends of pagan rites to sustain early Jewish converts and snag pagan ones, until the holiday structure grew far enough apart to look shiny and new. Kinship laws (incest taboos) were kept, but mixed fibers were out. Homosexuality and genocide stayed, but kosher laws were enthusiastically thrown off. Very few modern religious groups are anti-science, some are anti-modernity with heaps of Terms & Conditions. To me it seems plausible that the Mithraic cult started as a Christian splinter group based on the discovery and revelation of alien tech even 4-generations ago. They were probably a clownshoes lunatic fringe for the first couple of generations, before becoming the dominant religious force in the world when their alien tech was flexed and gained them buckets of followers. People cling very hard to new salvation during times of strife, just look at conspirituality and religious fundamentalism consticting towards some really Old Testament levels of militancy in the real world when we are just teetering at the beginning of the climate change and ecological collapse that the Raised by Wolves world has already powered past.
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Shaocaholica posted:I never watched Lost do people actually still rewatch that like Friends and Office? absolutely not
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GABA ghoul posted:I think I'm watching a totally different show than you. The last episodes explicitly stated that Campion and the kids were just a practice/learning run and never intended to rebuild humanity. I didn't watch Lost but this started as a great combination of hard SF and exploration of parenthood. The first 4-5 episodes. Then it started getting mystical - Am I delusional? Or is it real? Or a computer simulation? And what if my greatest enemy is... Myself!? From two tight and coherent groups they went to everybody just running around (Marcus and warriors; Sue and some kids; Mother; Tempest; Campion; Father and Hunter; Priests). My partner and I were extremely excited about it, for different reasons, but now we've given up. The last episode was painful to watch.
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Doctor Malaver posted:The last episode was painful to watch. The trick Doctor, is not minding that its painful.
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# ? Sep 30, 2020 16:00 |
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Doctor Malaver posted:I didn't watch Lost but this started as a great combination of hard SF and exploration of parenthood. The first 4-5 episodes. Then it started getting mystical - Am I delusional? Or is it real? Or a computer simulation? And what if my greatest enemy is... Myself!? See I thought it started as a terrible combination of bad SF and survival travelogue but then it started getting weird and the weirdness forgave many sins. The endless 'hangin out in the village of boredom' sequences were the worst.
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Doctor Malaver posted:I didn't watch Lost but this started as a great combination of hard SF and exploration of parenthood. The first 4-5 episodes. Then it started getting mystical - Am I delusional? Or is it real? Or a computer simulation? And what if my greatest enemy is... Myself!? That's cool and good and a fine opinion to have. I was talking about the people who watched the first 10 minutes of Star Wars and then angrily walked out of the cinema because "nothing made sense" and it was full of "plot holes"
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# ? Sep 30, 2020 16:32 |
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Why can't we have both. "It's bad but I'm going to watch it anyway"
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# ? Sep 30, 2020 18:36 |
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That's what the Ernest movies are for
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# ? Sep 30, 2020 18:42 |
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I'd still rather see a proper Prometheus sequel than this but I'll take both.
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Shaocaholica posted:I'd still rather see a proper Prometheus sequel than this but I'll take both.
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Cuddly Tumblemumps posted:Thing is that new branches of religion basically retcon practices and lore to advance political gain and secure more followers. Church doctrine only seems incoherent to outsiders who have zero knowledge of the history and contexts which led to contemporary practices. This is a good post. However I think you have thought way more about this than the show creators did. The religious backstory here is basically "lets have some fanatics in cool costumes, but not anything remotely related to real world so no one gets offended".
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# ? Sep 30, 2020 21:43 |
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Imagine if aliens gave super tech to scientologists. I would be wearing a funny hat too.
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# ? Sep 30, 2020 21:52 |
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Season finale...TONIGHT. Be there. Praise Sol.
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Colonel Jerkoff posted:This is a good post. However I think you have thought way more about this than the show creators did. The religious backstory here is basically "lets have some fanatics in cool costumes, but not anything remotely related to real world so no one gets offended". The costumes and occasional hairdo (and Otho's helmet) are obviously referencing crusaders.
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Colonel Jerkoff posted:I think you have thought way more about this than the show creators did. I think this goes for most shows out there, people online tend to over-think how much thought/planning has gone into the writing of these things. Excited for the last episode!
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# ? Oct 1, 2020 02:02 |
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Shaocaholica posted:Why can't we have both. "It's bad but I'm going to watch it anyway" Hey it's me Show is weird and dumb, but the weirdness is endearing and it made good background fare while I was getting a bunch of work done earlier this week. Kind of excited for the season finale to be honest. Can't imagine thinking that the show at any point approached anything like "hard sci-fi" though.
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# ? Oct 1, 2020 02:19 |
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What about hard-to-understand sci-fi? Is that hard enough?
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# ? Oct 1, 2020 03:52 |
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Welp, it’s midnight. Time to watch the milk robots do their thing.
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# ? Oct 1, 2020 08:09 |
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Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....
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# ? Oct 1, 2020 09:02 |
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Gonz posted:Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..... The only thing I can give that episode is a hearty "...what?" Was that the season finale? If so, what???
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# ? Oct 1, 2020 09:15 |
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Vanderdeath posted:The only thing I can give that episode is a hearty "...what?" 1. That’s it until next year. 2. I’m not sure what the hell I just watched. Did they secretly let David Lynch direct that last episode? Gonz fucked around with this message at 09:27 on Oct 1, 2020 |
# ? Oct 1, 2020 09:17 |
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This poo poo was good
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# ? Oct 1, 2020 09:42 |
so ... mind reading giant tunneling snakes, that control neanderthal humans this left really same kind of mystery that lost had going on, with very slim explanation on things. And now there is a second ark wasnt building one really really expensive?
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# ? Oct 1, 2020 10:07 |
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I think this is gonna turn a lot of people off. People are going to be mad and say Ridley Scott hasn't had an original idea since Alien.
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# ? Oct 1, 2020 10:08 |
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Dark Off posted:this left really same kind of mystery that lost had going on, with very slim explanation on things. And now there is a second ark wasnt building one really really expensive? i thought it was insinuated early on that there could be more arks coming. also the atheists could have repelled the fanatics to build it.
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# ? Oct 1, 2020 10:18 |
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but what does it all mean?!?! i'm sure all this random imagery will come together in season 2!!!
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# ? Oct 1, 2020 10:32 |
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Ridley Scott has done it again! Raised By Wolves features yet another truly horrific pregnancy from the master of scary childbirth. Fans will thrill at how this one comes out - it’s not how you’d expect!
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# ? Oct 1, 2020 10:41 |
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The gently caress did I just watch at 5am.
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# ? Oct 1, 2020 11:12 |
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Lol, and furthermore, lmao
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# ? Oct 1, 2020 12:40 |
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Having androids raise a new civilization on a strange planet is an interesting premise, even original. Having space snakes seed life on Earth (?) or manipulate humanity (??) to bring more android birthing chambers to their planet is just batshit. I think I'll have to read reviews of early episodes before I commit to season 2, whenever it comes. It's a shame really, it was very pretty to watch and listen to.
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# ? Oct 1, 2020 12:43 |
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^^ yuperr posted:i thought it was insinuated early on that there could be more arks coming. also the atheists could have repelled the fanatics to build it. Yeah once that idea was thrown around by I think Space Ragnar at some point I figured it would come true either at end of this season or sometime in next. I predict a good new host of lovely future haircuts that I will love just based on the four mooks we've seen so far. Also I guess the core or whatever they crashed the lander into is sentient or something, or the snake mind powers are super strong! The serpent looks almost exactly like the snakes that evolve from the black goo in prometheus.
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# ? Oct 1, 2020 12:44 |
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Paradoxish posted:Can't imagine thinking that the show at any point approached anything like "hard sci-fi" though. You're right, that's a wrong term. I meant "proper" sci-fi, with spaceships, androids, foreign planet, etc. Anyway, I'm glad for this thread because based on everyone's reactions to the last episode, we made a good decision not to watch it.
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I told youPiell posted:This show is bad, "every episode another weirder less explained thing happens" does not a good show make and I have zero confidence we will get an explanation for even half of what is happening in the final episode of the season
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# ? Oct 1, 2020 13:56 |
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yea uh this show sure is something. just bewildering. perhaps giving ridley scott 10 hours was a bad idea.
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# ? Oct 1, 2020 14:12 |
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I got the impression that the 2nd ark was from a different religion. It had a different symbol on the bottom of it. I thought the Followers of Sol only had enough resources for one ark, but that does not mean other religions didn't also have arks.
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badjohny posted:I got the impression that the 2nd ark was from a different religion. It had a different symbol on the bottom of it. I thought the Followers of Sol only had enough resources for one ark, but that does not mean other religions didn't also have arks. they were tattooed like athiests
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# ? Oct 1, 2020 14:25 |
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So, I am now convinced that this is the big, Chekov's gun Alien origin story Ridley Scott wanted to create when he made Prometheus. Prometheus fell short for a lot of reasons and I always kinda had the thought it wasn't the story Ridley wanted to tell. It's all there, the new blood-sucking species, the snow-white Prometheus man, all we're missing is a Mr Weyland and Mr Yutani. And if it is just that for 3-5 seasons, I'm down with it. Seems loving awesome to be honest. Also, hot take Campion is either the father of, or distant relative of Ripley. He has the hair for it.
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Sheriff Falc posted:So, I am now convinced that this is the big, Chekov's gun Alien origin story Ridley Scott wanted to create when he made Prometheus. Prometheus fell short for a lot of reasons and I always kinda had the thought it wasn't the story Ridley wanted to tell. this would be very stupid but is probably true also the biggest thing thats annoyed me this entire season isn't any of the inexplicable behavior, its that the non-Mithraic have to be ATHEISTS!!!!!! instead of just, you know, not believing in the Mithraic religion.
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wow that was stupid as hell lol. congrats to ridley scott for trickin g me into watching 10 straight hours of padding
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