Xealot posted:

Yeah, you're asking hardline religious fundamentalists to be rational about their 2000-year-old religion. Wearing mixed-fiber clothing is as sinful as homosexuality in the Old Testament, but try asking an Evangelical Christian about it.

I have trouble reconciling that part of the premise: in the war between Atheists and Fundies, it's the fundies who have super-science magic tech and the atheists who improvise weapons from garbage. You'd think the "atheists" would be the ones more comfortable pushing the boundaries of science, developing advanced AI and what-not. But they're resorting to child-soldiers and IED's while the Evangelicals are the ones building Star Trek-level FTL and super-killbots. I guess Sol isn't as anti-science as Jesus.

Shaocaholica posted:

I never watched Lost do people actually still rewatch that like Friends and Office?

GABA ghoul posted:

I think I'm watching a totally different show than you. The last episodes explicitly stated that Campion and the kids were just a practice/learning run and never intended to rebuild humanity.

Almost every single "plot hole" from the first few episode got explained in a satisfying way in the last few episodes. Why can't you just chill and enjoy the drat show instead of obsessively imagining plot holes in every scene and line of dialog? Lost really broke a lot of people

Doctor Malaver posted:

The last episode was painful to watch.

Doctor Malaver posted:

I didn't watch Lost but this started as a great combination of hard SF and exploration of parenthood. The first 4-5 episodes. Then it started getting mystical - Am I delusional? Or is it real? Or a computer simulation? And what if my greatest enemy is... Myself!?

From two tight and coherent groups they went to everybody just running around (Marcus and warriors; Sue and some kids; Mother; Tempest; Campion; Father and Hunter; Priests). My partner and I were extremely excited about it, for different reasons, but now we've given up. The last episode was painful to watch.

Doctor Malaver posted:

I didn't watch Lost but this started as a great combination of hard SF and exploration of parenthood. The first 4-5 episodes. Then it started getting mystical - Am I delusional? Or is it real? Or a computer simulation? And what if my greatest enemy is... Myself!?

From two tight and coherent groups they went to everybody just running around (Marcus and warriors; Sue and some kids; Mother; Tempest; Campion; Father and Hunter; Priests). My partner and I were extremely excited about it, for different reasons, but now we've given up. The last episode was painful to watch.

Shaocaholica posted:

I'd still rather see a proper Prometheus sequel than this but I'll take both.

Cuddly Tumblemumps posted:

Thing is that new branches of religion basically retcon practices and lore to advance political gain and secure more followers. Church doctrine only seems incoherent to outsiders who have zero knowledge of the history and contexts which led to contemporary practices.

Look at how the alien planet, Roman era submarines and huge cavalry battles of the New World look like coherent Christianity to Mormons, while looking like really lovely New Testament fanfic to outsiders. Look at how rapidly the Mormon church went from being a polygamist cult being chased across the continent by federal forces, with bloody skirmishes with everyone who crossed their path, to Mitt Romney being a respectable and acceptable political figure with beliefs that are not openly questioned except by those who know the conflict of interest/dual-loyalty inherent in the Mormon culture.

For early Christianity that meant throwing out the Old Testament law in its entirety, and then picking up the few things it liked when politically and socially necessary. Overwriting Jewish holidays with blends of pagan rites to sustain early Jewish converts and snag pagan ones, until the holiday structure grew far enough apart to look shiny and new. Kinship laws (incest taboos) were kept, but mixed fibers were out. Homosexuality and genocide stayed, but kosher laws were enthusiastically thrown off.

Very few modern religious groups are anti-science, some are anti-modernity with heaps of Terms & Conditions.

To me it seems plausible that the Mithraic cult started as a Christian splinter group based on the discovery and revelation of alien tech even 4-generations ago. They were probably a clownshoes lunatic fringe for the first couple of generations, before becoming the dominant religious force in the world when their alien tech was flexed and gained them buckets of followers. People cling very hard to new salvation during times of strife, just look at conspirituality and religious fundamentalism consticting towards some really Old Testament levels of militancy in the real world when we are just teetering at the beginning of the climate change and ecological collapse that the Raised by Wolves world has already powered past.

Colonel Jerkoff posted:

This is a good post. However I think you have thought way more about this than the show creators did. The religious backstory here is basically "lets have some fanatics in cool costumes, but not anything remotely related to real world so no one gets offended".

Colonel Jerkoff posted:

I think you have thought way more about this than the show creators did.

Shaocaholica posted:

Why can't we have both. "It's bad but I'm going to watch it anyway"

Gonz posted:

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....

Vanderdeath posted:

The only thing I can give that episode is a hearty "...what?"


Was that the season finale? If so, what???

Dark Off posted:

this left really same kind of mystery that lost had going on, with very slim explanation on things. And now there is a second ark wasnt building one really really expensive?

err posted:

i thought it was insinuated early on that there could be more arks coming. also the atheists could have repelled the fanatics to build it.

Paradoxish posted:

Can't imagine thinking that the show at any point approached anything like "hard sci-fi" though.

Piell posted:

This show is bad, "every episode another weirder less explained thing happens" does not a good show make and I have zero confidence we will get an explanation for even half of what is happening in the final episode of the season

Gonz posted:

badjohny posted:

I got the impression that the 2nd ark was from a different religion. It had a different symbol on the bottom of it. I thought the Followers of Sol only had enough resources for one ark, but that does not mean other religions didn't also have arks.

Sheriff Falc posted:

So, I am now convinced that this is the big, Chekov's gun Alien origin story Ridley Scott wanted to create when he made Prometheus. Prometheus fell short for a lot of reasons and I always kinda had the thought it wasn't the story Ridley wanted to tell.

It's all there, the new blood-sucking species, the snow-white Prometheus man, all we're missing is a Mr Weyland and Mr Yutani.

And if it is just that for 3-5 seasons, I'm down with it. Seems loving awesome to be honest.

Also, hot take Campion is either the father of, or distant relative of Ripley. He has the hair for it.