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exmachina posted:Reamde was deliberately an attempt to make an 'airport novel' adventure. It's pulpyness is part of it's charm. Def not his best work, but fun in a stupid way. I was way more invested in the MMO drama that just kind of fizzled than I was in the worlds longest and worst paced terrorist chase.
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_Loser_ posted:I got the first edition of the prior folio society one which was like $120 originally. But this? Holy cash grab batman. And to make it worse it comes with a failson book as well. Oh and it's only 700 bucks. What the gently caress. Sold out
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juggalo baby coffin posted:or you can just say 'a massive desert world' and be done with it. One of the things I really like is that he didn't just do that, as Kynes and other characters explicitly point out that a single-biome planet doesn't make ecological sense and that there has to be some unseen force driving it in that direction. The whole sandtrout/sandworm cycle is left fairly vague, and even the info we do get is presented as the best hypothesis by in-universe characters, which leaves plenty of room for error. I'm sure this is where someone says how one of the sequel books spends an entire chapter detailing every facet of sandworm biology and lifecycle with illustrated diagrams.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:One of the things I really like is that he didn't just do that, as Kynes and other characters explicitly point out that a single-biome planet doesn't make ecological sense and that there has to be some unseen force driving it in that direction. Then every 2nd tier fantasy author in the 70s ignored the implication and just had everything be jungle world or ice world or whatever. It's such an important point in the book that everyone 'in the know' about Arrakis understands but there's just a conspiracy of silence while everybody plunders the planet.
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phasmid posted:Then every 2nd tier fantasy author in the 70s ignored the implication and just had everything be jungle world or ice world or whatever. It's such an important point in the book that everyone 'in the know' about Arrakis understands but there's just a conspiracy of silence while everybody plunders the planet. The Sandworm lifecycle and it's relationship to the spice is not widely known. I would say it was limited to the fremen, the sisterhood and the guild.
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phasmid posted:Then every 2nd tier fantasy author in the 70s ignored the implication and just had everything be jungle world or ice world or whatever. It's such an important point in the book that everyone 'in the know' about Arrakis understands but there's just a conspiracy of silence while everybody plunders the planet. I'm sure a lot of later sci-fi definitely traces that inspiration to Dune (hi Tatooine), but I wouldn't be surprised if the idea popped up a lot earlier in the genre. I'm not knowledgeable enough about early sci-fi to say for sure but it really seems to resonate with a 30's/40's pulp sci-fi aesthetic. This week Buck Rogers goes to the Forest Planet! (because we shot this episode in Angeles national forest). Next week, he visits the Tilted Rock Planet! (because we cheaped out and went to Vasquez Rocks again) I could be wrong though. Definitely overdone and a cheap world-building crutch though. There's a great bit in an episode of Stargate where a wormhole malfunction spits the team out into a barren ice cavern and they assume they're on some remote ice planet... until it turns out they're actually on Earth, in Antarctica.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:One of the things I really like is that he didn't just do that, as Kynes and other characters explicitly point out that a single-biome planet doesn't make ecological sense and that there has to be some unseen force driving it in that direction. The whole sandtrout/sandworm cycle is left fairly vague, and even the info we do get is presented as the best hypothesis by in-universe characters, which leaves plenty of room for error. i meant more in terms of like the specific dimensions of arrakis, rather than the mystery of its single biome. theres no real reason to add that info in specific if youre not sure. just say it's big or earth-ish or whatever.
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juggalo baby coffin posted:i meant more in terms of like the specific dimensions of arrakis, rather than the mystery of its single biome. theres no real reason to add that info in specific if youre not sure. just say it's big or earth-ish or whatever. Oh yeah, totally. Specific numbers are often the bane of a sci-fi writer. There's a popular story about how the dimensions and masses David Weber originally gave for ships in the Honor Harrington series meant the ships were roughly the density of smoke, which caused him to go back and adjust things by a few orders of magnitude after that was pointed out.
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"Desert planet" hits harder than "earth-ish but with more sand"
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Dune, arizona-but-without-all-the-meth planet
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Bubblyblubber posted:Dune, arizona-but-
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juggalo baby coffin posted:i meant more in terms of like the specific dimensions of arrakis, rather than the mystery of its single biome. theres no real reason to add that info in specific if youre not sure. just say it's big or earth-ish or whatever. Herbert never gave dimensions for Arrakis, but he did give the distance between Carthag and Arrakeen (~200km), which, compared against their locations in the map at the back of the book, yields a much smaller than expected circumference for Arrakis once you do the math. Herbert didn't do the (printed) map illustration. He probably made a sketch and gave the final version, inked by somebody else, a quick once-over. The printed map itself has obvious typos (OH Gap instead of Old Gap, for example), so taking it as gospel and extrapolating the planet's size from it is also potentially dubious. The precise geography of Arrakis isn't important to the story, pointing out technical contradictions between text and supplementary materials is just a time honored nerd tradition.
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euphronius posted:As someone mentioned it’s esp interesting because arrakis isn’t a dessert planet at all It is if you eat it after your main course.
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Is this some dinner party hidden meaning thing
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euphronius posted:Is this some dinner party hidden meaning thing Everything is.
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exmachina posted:Reamde was deliberately an attempt to make an 'airport novel' adventure. It's pulpyness is part of it's charm. Def not his best work, but fun in a stupid way. you know, i thought that might be the case. a preview of it was in the back of...uh, whatever he wrote before that, which was not fantastic, but that preview made me think he was making an attempt at self-parody
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Tree Bucket posted:Everything is. For the doggie bag.... NOTHING
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ilovebeersooomuch posted:For the doggie bag.... NOTHING Doggie bag? Are you suggesting the Duke's son is an animal?
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Tree Bucket posted:Doggie bag? Are you suggesting the Duke's son is an animal? Let us say I suggest you may be a gourmand.
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ilovebeersooomuch posted:Let us say I suggest you may be a gourmand. Kull Wahad No woman child ever ate that much.
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davidspackage posted:Kull Wahad What's in the box? Pain.
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Tree Bucket posted:What's in the box? Golfclaps frenchly
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The only thing you have to fear is carbs.
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Doc Hawkins posted:you know, i thought that might be the case. a preview of it was in the back of...uh, whatever he wrote before that, which was not fantastic, but that preview made me think he was making an attempt at self-parody He cannot do parody even if he tries. Snow Crash, for example, was supposed to be parody, but turned out to be far more prophetic than Neuromancer.
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eSports Chaebol posted:He cannot do parody even if he tries. Snow Crash, for example, was supposed to be parody, but turned out to be far more prophetic than Neuromancer. huh
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I just spent way too much time to figure out what the actual projection of Frank's map is. It bothers me to no end that the circle of latitude nearer the equator is unlabeled. poo poo's hosed, yo. Frank didn't know no good mapmaking magics. Anne Frank Funk fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Oct 1, 2020 |
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i mean the one good part of snow crash did predict uber eats / skip the dishes / door dash
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Eau de MacGowan posted:i mean the one good part of snow crash did predict uber eats / skip the dishes / door dash I think total bullshit grift amalgamated strip mall brand name megachurches were pretty well lampooned in snow crash before ever existing in any quantity
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sebmojo posted:huh We live in the parody cyberpunk reality today. Also, a crazy religious business tycoon really did get caught illegally importing cuneiform tablets from the Middle East. Just sayin'
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Tree Bucket posted:What's in the box?
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The itching... becomes... burning. Heat... upon heat... upon heat. Can I have a glass of milk? Silence!! Silence!!
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 "It is by milk alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the sauce of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire heat, the heat becomes a warning. It is by milk alone I set my mind in motion."
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eSports Chaebol posted:He cannot do parody even if he tries. Snow Crash, for example, was supposed to be parody 
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Look, just because your hero, your story's protagonist, is named Hiro Protagonist, that doesn't mean it started out as parody.
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Y'all didn't think about bug planets
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Wingnut Ninja posted:This week Buck Rogers goes to the Forest Planet! (because we shot this episode in Angeles national forest). Next week, he visits the Tilted Rock Planet! (because we cheaped out and went to Vasquez Rocks again) I could be wrong though. "They vaporized into a mystical love radiation that spread across the universe, destroying many, many planets, including two gangster planets and a cowboy world."
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