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How does everybody deal with the crippling despair that comes with being a lawyer?
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Oct 1, 2020 17:06
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Switch to government IT. It’s still despair, but it’s easier.
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Oct 1, 2020 17:15
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So Long Dental Plan posted:How does everybody deal with the crippling despair that comes with being a lawyer? Playing d&d drunk helps
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Oct 1, 2020 17:16
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There's a reason lawyers consistently rank near the top of the list for substance abuse and mental health problems.
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Oct 1, 2020 17:24
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TheMadMilkman posted:Switch to government IT. Hieronymous Alloy posted:Playing d&d drunk helps Can vouch for both these answers
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Oct 1, 2020 17:25
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Did yall actually stop being lawyers? I've been practicing for a decade now. Started in big law, loving hated it. Started my own practice about 7 years ago, and it's been better in some ways and worse in others. I suppose my biggest gripes with the profession right now are how bad judges are (NY state court judges anyway) and opposing counsel. I have some shitheads who are moving to compel in person depositions in NYC right now. They've also sent me and my co-counsel literally 10 sanctions letters and most recently asked for sanctions in opposition to a motion to amend.
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Oct 1, 2020 17:30
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So Long Dental Plan posted:How does everybody deal with the crippling despair that comes with being a lawyer? Real-talk: alot of your clients problems and alot of the hearings and trials you lose are problems that you were never going to fix. Some things were predetermined based on the facts, and you have to learn to remind yourself that you just spent XX hours convincing yourself that you could win/fix/save this hearing/problem/person because that was your job: to advocate for them. You will get so deep into trying to unfuck something that you convince yourself it really CAN be unfucked - the aftermath is the reminder that it could not, in fact, be unfucked. Even though you did everything right, the thing is still broken, and its not your fault. You gave the problem the chance it deserved, and thats all anyone could have ever done. Its the highest honor to serve a losing cause, even though you didn't really believe you were going to lose. Its important to accept that even if you only made the problem a little better, you still gave it a voice, and gave it a chance, and gave it its day in Court. And ultimately, that was your job, and it was your honor and responsibility to do it.
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Oct 1, 2020 17:34
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blarzgh posted:Real-talk: alot of your clients problems and alot of the hearings and trials you lose are problems that you were never going to fix. Some things were predetermined based on the facts, and you have to learn to remind yourself that you just spent XX hours convincing yourself that you could win/fix/save this hearing/problem/person because that was your job: to advocate for them. You will get so deep into trying to unfuck something that you convince yourself it really CAN be unfucked - the aftermath is the reminder that it could not, in fact, be unfucked. Thanks man. I think part of my feelings of despair have to do with the realization that the legal system itself is so completely hosed. It's not even that my client's problems are unfixable for legal reasons, it's that some judges are just so abysmal. For example, I tried this criminal case and the state had completely hosed up the charging instrument. I moved to dismiss at the close of their case, got screamed at by the judge for doing it, and then he convicted (it was a bench trial). He eventually got overturned on appeal and the case was dismissed based on all the arguments I made at trial. But my client was completely hosed for absolutely no good reason. It's stuff like that which is hard to deal with.
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Oct 1, 2020 17:44
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Lol wrong, loser
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Oct 1, 2020 17:46
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Realtalk, I was getting very frustrated doing federal civil rights law because everything takes forever and gets nowhere due to the increasing trumpification of the federal courts. Now I'm doing babys first public defender traffic court and it is very fulfilling; getting a bullshit "i smelled weed" type case thrown out is just extremely satisfying. Before covid hit though the workload was overwhelming me and I don't know if I would have been able to keep up if the plague hadn't hit. We'll see when everything opens back up I guess. The system is absolutely deep hosed-- I don't use the phrase "justice system" any more, just "legal system" -- but each one you save is saved, and that helps. The sustaining part.of the job is the community of other public defenders; everyone who does this work is a bleeding heart so the rear end in a top hat ratio is a lot lower than in other areas of law I feel. Hieronymous Alloy fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Oct 1, 2020 |
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Oct 1, 2020 18:08
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got court appointed in federal ct to rep a new client accused (on a complaint, not indictment) of conspiracy to distribute. client's name came up exactly 3 times in the complaint, each time mentioning he was just basically sitting there playing on his phone in the passenger seat of a drug dealer's car while a drug deal happened 50 feet away. I show up for the prelim, fully intending to waive, as the AUSA has asked me to do. but being marginally competent i talk to the ausa beforehand: "can't help but notice probable cause seems thin, can you make an offer of proof as to what you've got on her if you want to waive this prelim?" AUSA: "I don't have to tell you anything." Ol' Dirty Vapors: "Yeah, I'm aware of that, but you want me to waive prelim and I can't do it. if you won't tell me what you have." AUSA: "I don't care if you waive." ODV: "..." anyway, long story short, I shredded the case agent on cross exam and got all the charges dismissed at the prelim, which the court clerk later told me she's never seen my judge do before in 6 years. judge looked physically pained to have to do it. gonna frame the order of dismissal
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Oct 1, 2020 18:19
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So Long Dental Plan posted:How does everybody deal with the crippling despair that comes with being a lawyer? weed
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Oct 1, 2020 18:21
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The AUSA probably never had anyone not waive and didn't know what the gently caress to do, power move ODV.
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Oct 1, 2020 18:22
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Popero posted:The AUSA probably never had anyone not waive and didn't know what the gently caress to do, power move ODV. haha probably I'm wondering if I should be the Don't Waive Prelims Ever guy in my district now until they throw me off the CJA panel
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Oct 1, 2020 18:26
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Realtalk, I was getting very frustrated doing federal civil rights law because everything takes forever and gets nowhere due to the increasing trumpification of the federal courts. At least half my office was on BP meds, half on psych drugs, and half avoided doctors. Public defenders are genuinely awesome though. Only good lawyers.
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Oct 1, 2020 18:39
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nm posted:Lol, call us in 3 years. Oh the kids these days are all very open about mental health, it's very refreshing
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Oct 1, 2020 18:52
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So Long Dental Plan posted:How does everybody deal with the crippling despair that comes with being a lawyer? lol 
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Oct 1, 2020 18:55
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So Long Dental Plan posted:How does everybody deal with the crippling despair that comes with being
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Oct 1, 2020 18:56
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So Long Dental Plan posted:Did yall actually stop being lawyers? Winners never quit, quitters never win.
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Oct 1, 2020 18:57
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I mean, the ideal result is Trump cancels the debates and then Biden keeps his 13 point lead through to the election.
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Oct 1, 2020 19:00
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it's going to own when biden wins the popular vote by like 7 and still loses the EC somehow. especially if it's by way of Justice Handmaid declaring that California actually doesn't count because of Reasons
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Oct 1, 2020 19:02
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terrorist ambulance posted:it's going to own when biden wins the popular vote by like 7 and still loses the EC somehow. especially if it's by way of Justice Handmaid declaring that California actually doesn't count because of Reasons It becomes basically mathematically impossible to win the popular vote by 4.5 percent or more without winning the EC. Not that it won't still get ugly. Trump loving won and he claimed fraud
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Oct 1, 2020 19:28
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So Long Dental Plan posted:How does everybody deal with the crippling despair that comes with being a lawyer? smoke good weed gently caress bad bitches edit: pet cats Toona the Cat fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Oct 1, 2020 |
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Oct 1, 2020 19:34
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Pook Good Mook posted:It becomes basically mathematically impossible to win the popular vote by 4.5 percent or more without winning the EC. It is if a couple of Republican legislatures certify their own electors because they said the ballot is rigged and/or there was too much violence at polling stations for a fair vote to go ahead.  Though that is only a touch more likely than California being handwaved away as a state.
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Oct 1, 2020 19:45
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Munin posted:It is if a couple of Republican legislatures certify their own electors because they said the ballot is rigged and/or there was too much violence at polling stations for a fair vote to go ahead. This isn't really the board for this type of stuff, but if a few states did that, it would be an acknowledgement by the Republican party that they're done with Democracy. We aren't going to have any meaningful elections after this one and there is almost certainly going to be widespread violent civil unrest and/or war. I'm not saying that's impossible, but IF that is to happen, the Republicans aren't going to pull that trigger so they can keep in Donald loving Trump. State legislators know where their bread is buttered and Trump hasn't raised a single cent for local politicians, nor has he juiced them up to pass anything substantial, if anything, he's cost the party seats in areas thought to be safe GOP seats.
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Oct 1, 2020 19:56
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/\ I think Hieronymous Alloy meant to post that in USPOL but had this thread open by mistake. Anyway, therapy helps.
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Oct 1, 2020 20:00
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https://twitter.com/IChotiner/status/1311744840418291712?s=20 lol
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Oct 1, 2020 20:14
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Tokelau All Star posted:/\ I think Hieronymous Alloy meant to post that in USPOL but had this thread open by mistake. I don't know, thinking getting Trump out office will cure lawyer depression is pretty on brand for these forums.
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Oct 1, 2020 20:17
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lmao it's one fatfinger away from asshead
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Oct 1, 2020 20:22
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So Long Dental Plan posted:How does everybody deal with the crippling despair that comes with being a lawyer? Left attorneyship, went into public service for more money, less hours, more homebrew.
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Oct 1, 2020 20:28
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Nice piece of fish posted:Left attorneyship, went into public service for more money, less hours, more homebrew. For real though, being a government attorney with defined hours I only exceed by choice or during trial, having a good health care and retirement plan seem to help. It also helps that I personally believe in the work most of the time and I am generally fulfilled by the work.
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Oct 1, 2020 20:46
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So Long Dental Plan posted:How does everybody deal with the crippling despair that comes with being a lawyer? Blarzgh's answer is the best here honestly. It's also important to make sure you take the time to take care of yourself too. Use vacation and sick time, engage in hobbies, maintain some sort of social contact with the friends/family (lol covid). edit: hell yeah SV
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Oct 1, 2020 21:10
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Tokelau All Star posted:/\ I think Hieronymous Alloy meant to post that in USPOL but had this thread open by mistake. d'oh Anyway, you know the debate was a shitshow when all the inmates and prison guards you talk to mention it two days later and universally say things like "man, that was the worst thing I ever saw"
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Oct 1, 2020 21:39
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Guy in San Quentin doing 25 to life on a third strike: “that debate was the worst thing I’ve ever seen”
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Oct 1, 2020 21:50
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Guy in San Quentin doing 25 to life on a third strike: “that debate was the worst thing I’ve ever seen” "A lot of what they were saying in the debate was drowned out by the noises and screaming from the showers, but from what I heard, I just don't think Trump has a coherent plan for COVID-19."
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Oct 1, 2020 21:59
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Guy in San Quentin doing 25 to life on a third strike: “that debate was the worst thing I’ve ever seen” this was jsut county lockup but, yes, essentially
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Oct 1, 2020 22:00
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edit: also prozac. Unamuno fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Oct 1, 2020 |
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Oct 1, 2020 22:33
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Toona the Cat posted:smoke good weed Can only pet cat once every five years though.
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Oct 2, 2020 03:07
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So Long Dental Plan posted:How does everybody deal with the crippling despair that comes with being a lawyer? I post dog pictures in the discord
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Oct 2, 2020 21:44
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I look at my timesheets and convert it to dollars
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Oct 2, 2020 22:00
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