FirstAidKite posted:

Giorno is the ideals, the caring, the beliefs, and self-sacrificing nature of Jonathan mixed with the charismatic and ambitious personality traits of Dio, with the gift of creating life that both Jonathan and Dio were capable of.

Blaze Dragon posted:

Too bad absolutely none of this shows in the series itself. Nice concept, non-existing execution.

FirstAidKite posted:

It's literally all he does every time he's around.

FirstAidKite posted:

It's literally all he does every time he's around.

RubberLuffy posted:

Doppio is cool but Diavolo sucks

Kwyndig posted:

Doppio is hilarious and Diavolo is boring.

grieving for Gandalf posted:

I know it's pretty unofficial (?) but Purple Haze Feedback makes Giorno's role make sense

Blueberry Pancakes posted:

Also, they'd have to completely animate the whole book from scratch, with no manga panels for reference.

Blueberry Pancakes posted:

Diavolo at least has a great and intimidating introduction (the first one) and a solid dub voice.

Beyond that, though, he's pretty wack.

Pootybutt posted:

You're p clearly not supposed to like diavolo or be drawn to him like a lot of the other villains.

It'd be a ton of work, but after 8 years of an extremely faithful, panel-for-panel adaptation, I'd honestly love to see Araki and an animation crew approach creating something entirely from scratch, just as a creative exercise. Wouldn't even have to be PHF, just something neat and creative to come out and flex on us with.

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Son of Thunderbeast posted:

I give Giorno a lot of poo poo but I do like him. I just think Bruno was the real protagonist of part 5

Funky Valentine posted:

And if you thought Prince was tough to work with, you haven't even seen the Hendrix estate.

Xand_Man posted:

Xand_Man posted:

He also drinks piss

Schwarzwald posted:

Here's a big old Giorno effortpost because I felt like it. It might be a little rambling.

Outside his introduction and a few isolated moments Giorno is almost a bit player in his own part. He deliberately stays out of center stage once he joins the squad, and lets Bruno lead. However, since part 5 is still presented as if this is Giorno's story and not Bruno's, this leads to some questions. What's so important about this character in particular, that he has his name in the title, a prominent position in the opening and closing credits, etc? We're being told pay close attention to this character, when he spends most of his time trying to avoid drawing attention to himself. As such, the question "what are this dude's defining characteristics" takes some interpretation.

So, what can we tell can about Giorno from how we see him behave and what we see him do?

We're show a foundational moment for him was when he helped a gangster who later returned the favor. It instilled a sense of always paying off your debts, and he come to idealize the mafia's sense of family and structure, both of which he lacked.

We see that he's willing to both commit petty crimes (no dignity) and ruthless violence. He critically injures Luca and kills Polpo early on, yet he doesn't quite accept responsibility for his actions. Giorno deliberately engineers situations so that his targets suffer from something self-inflicted, which seems like a kind of rationalization on his part. Ie: it's not that Giorno is a violent person, Luca just had it coming for striking that bug. (Check out how often Giorno commits violence through proxy throughout the series.)

That's interesting characterization, and it leads to the possibility that Giorno's views on morality are somewhat narcissistic. Luca thuggery, Polpo's excess and carelessness and Passione's drug operations run contrary to Giorno's self-image as a Gangstar, and that influences his reprisal. (Cioccolata undirected massacre is the ultimate example, and one of the few people Giorno personally and wrathfully kills.)

Giorno gets in good with Bruno, convincing him that he has his back if/when he decides to stage a coup, and in turn Bruno gets him in his squad. This throws the rest of the squad for a loop, isn't Bruno showing a lot of trust in this newbie? Are they in cahoots or something? (Yes.) This is when Giorno starts to fade into the background, keeping out of the way unless he can contribute something. He tries to be one of the team but he doesn't really bother to make friends with anyone. Walking into a trap or deliberately infecting yourself with a killer virus? Sure. Small talk? Nah.

The two obvious ways to read that are that either 1) becoming a member of Passione was so important for him that he barely knows who he is now he got in, or 2) he's playing things close to the chest because he's planning a coup. Maybe a little of both.

And then the plot happens and afterwards most of Passione is dead, as is Bruno, and Giorno becomes space godfather.

So, Giorno:
appreciates the structure Passione provides and is willing to commit crimes to get in... but hates Passione's drug trade and how they hurt the community.
is able to deal out horrific violence without hesitation... but superficially keeps his hands clean unless they've really got it coming. (Again, most of Giorno's kills are through a proxy.)
is able to bare his heart and inspire loyalty... but doesn't really normally bother.
is recklessly loyal to his superiors... except when arranging their deaths.
is willing to work as the perfect teammate... and is just as ready to step in and take command.

I think there's a read where Giorno is psychologically reliant on the idea of Passione as a thing which offers structure and a sense of family, but is repulsed by the reality of it as a criminal organization — and not because he's bothered by criminal activity but because it's uncouth. He's driven by his need to impose his ideals onto reality, and all his actions, his friendship with Bruno, his membership on the squad, his interactions with Trish, etc, are all ultimately in service to that need.

He'll be caring, self-sacrificing, charismatic, or ambitious if it gets him there, but once Trish enters the picture he doesn't have to be. He can just stand back and let Bruno and the Boss destroy themselves, step in and take over.

His stand lets him turn objects into minions, and living things into tools. He does his work through proxy.

Zulily Zoetrope posted:

Oh yeah. Also a pretty hands-on kill.

Zulily Zoetrope posted:

I think that read is a bit on the cynical side, but I can't fault any part of the actual reasoning.

Schwarzwald posted:

Honestly, that's were I'm at myself. It's almost certainly not how Araki set out to portray him, but since he's so rarely in the spotlight you don't get much of his perspective and there's a lot of room to read into his actions.

Nessus posted:

He drank the piss, though. The piss became part of his body

multijoe posted:

I think it had to be somewhat intentional, the acute personality shift he undergoes between his introduction as a cocky indepenent thief to a quiet, compliant good boy as soon as he joins Bruno's crew seems way too jarring and sudden to be anything other than intentional behavior on Giorno's part and one of the very first things he does inside Passione is decieving the crew to gain their respect (by pretending to drink the piss). From start to finish his character is given a shady ambiguity to his motives that none of the other Jojos have, I think Araki knew what he was doing.

Blaze Dragon posted:

with even how Sticky Fingers works changing.

Blueberry Pancakes posted:

Does it? Sticky Fingers felt pretty consistent from start to finish for me. Bruno never really hides inside of anyone again, but he does things in the same vein.