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His Divine Shadow posted:I was gonna say that doesn't sound very eco-friendly. But I was thinking of the cement and concrete usage and the CO2 it generates. Yeah encapsulated energy/CO2 is obviously relevant. There is no more concrete used than for any other type of building though I think. It’s just a pointless waste of heavy, bulky materials that don’t have the functional properties you need for a house - they still need insulating, and there’s no wall space for it to go in. They’re eco friendly for the UK, by virtue of having any insulation.
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Steel frame and reinforced concrete homes/buildings have lower resale value here because they're usually specific use (ex: clinic with an apartment on top) and harder to renovate/expand. New construction is wood, except for apartment towers. You can get cement fiber siding and wallpaper that looks like reinforced concrete. https://www.kmew.co.jp/jirei/jirei_list.jsp?search=ture&seriesCDGaiheki=90&gaihekiHinmei=%91%C5%82%BF%82%C1%95%FA%82%B5%92%B215
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peanut posted:Steel frame and reinforced concrete homes/buildings have lower resale value here because they're usually specific use (ex: clinic with an apartment on top) and harder to renovate/expand. You also seem to treat stick built buildings as disposable there so......yeah. Bit of a different mindset.
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That's the problem with stick construction. The mindset. "Eh, this board is a little twisted, the drywall and paint guys can figure it out." "Oh the customer can just renovate it later" *every nail they place with the gun misses the stud* stick construction makes it easier for a hungover crew full of barely functional people to build a structure, gently caress up half of it, and still walk away from a "successful project*" *please ignore the eight page punchlist vs concrete, where everybody knows they have one shot on this pour. Don't gently caress it up.
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Oct 3, 2020 03:12
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MRC48B posted:vs concrete, where everybody knows they have one shot on this pour. Don't gently caress it up. lol seriously? Have you never seen the depth of just how bad prep and rebar goes for concrete jobs that end up looking good enough (if the finishers have just enough but not too much beer to straighten themselves out) and then ends up a mess in under 10 years?
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Really. How many videos have been posted showing thee most regrettable concrete fails
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MRC48B posted:stick construction makes it easier for a hungover crew full of barely functional people to build a structure, gently caress up half of it, and still walk away from a "successful project*" Sunshine post that mp4 of a construction worker in Brazil "leveling" a brick block wall using beer. I gotta hand it to stick construction that it at least it looks faster to bring up something that is house shaped. My mom hired a person and their crew to bring up her 1-story 2-bedroom farm house, and it took multiple years to get that done using cinder blocks.
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Pre-cut lumber frames, subfloor, and subroof are assembled in one day  https://youtu.be/dC-FDP9uxSo
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corgski posted:That is legitimately impressive. Prefab panels, trusses, and framing members are getting more and more popular specifically because labor is getting expensive, and CNC lumber machines are getting cheaper. Japan takes it to the next level with the mortise and tenon construction style.
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HardDiskD posted:it took multiple years to get that done using cinder blocks.
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Our house was built this way. You can see some pics in the first pages of home spergin/haunted home zone. We cooked a big dinner for the crew that night. Search 建前 for lots of 1-day frame construction. Dreamy ninja boot carpenters  Here's some CAD spergin from a local company. https://sanno-web.com/woodframe/precut/
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All those precut custom joints are amazing...and I have to think that in the US they'd inevitably get mixed up and you'd have mortises facing the wrong way or loose, sloppy joints because one board was put in wrong and then errors propagated throughout the structure with workers just shaving down tenons wherever necessary to get things to combine.
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peanut posted:Pre-cut lumber frames, subfloor, and subroof are assembled in one day https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk4oGCPGXz4
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Methylethylaldehyde posted:Prefab panels, trusses, and framing members are getting more and more popular specifically because labor is getting expensive, and CNC lumber machines are getting cheaper. The Fall 2008 season of This Old House showed the full construction of a factory-built house. Definitely worth a watch if you have some way to access it.
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There’s a new estate being built nearish me by the developer urbansplash, which actually has a good reputation for converting old industrial areas. All the houses are prefabbed, one piece per floor. Brought in and assembled on site, so only the foundation is there in advance. It’s weird to see them appear so quickly. https://www.urbansplash.co.uk/blog/modular-in-2019 Of course, being the UK, some of them are now being given a brick facade.
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peanut posted:Pre-cut lumber frames, subfloor, and subroof are assembled in one day So what is the overall environmental impact of having knock-down and rebuild every decade or so be the norm? How does it stack against building really durable stuff that you're then kind of stuck with when needs change.
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there wolf posted:So what is the overall environmental impact of having knock-down and rebuild every decade or so be the norm? How does it stack against building really durable stuff that you're then kind of stuck with when needs change. idk how well super built to last houses would do with typhoons and earthquakes and poo poo
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I still kind of like the DOOM bathroom
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Piss Meridian posted:I still kind of like the DOOM bathroom If you're ripping and tearing on the shitter, you're doing it wrong.
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there wolf posted:So what is the overall environmental impact of having knock-down and rebuild every decade or so be the norm? How does it stack against building really durable stuff that you're then kind of stuck with when needs change. Lol it's not every decade. Maybe every-other generation. Old, beautiful, solid houses still exist and are preserved. (This says built in 1988?!) https://www.seiko-h.jp/es/sale/2105114581440000000982?f=%2Fcyuko.html But in my granparent's generation, many people lived in flimsy duplexes, often owned by their employer. Some have showers in a separate concrete block shack next to the house, or no bath at all. https://www.seiko-h.jp/es/sale/2105114581440000000966?f=%2Fcyuko.html Here's a whole block of old company houses in my town. The company closed in 1978 and the employees are still there. https://maps.app.goo.gl/bwwdtJakAFwQft1t8 Or people bought a 2-room house in the '50s and expanded it over the years to create a dark, uncomfortable mass of dead-end halls and low doorways. https://www.seiko-h.jp/es/sale/2105114581440000002030?f=%2Fcyuko.html Or boomers built big nice houses, but their kids and grandkids live in Tokyo. https://www.seiko-h.jp/es/sale/2105114581440000002151?f=%2Fcyuko.html Used homes https://www.seiko-h.jp/cyuko.html Rentals https://suumo.jp/jj/common/ichiran/JJ901FC004/?ar=070&ta=38&sc=38205
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DUDE, Grover is the leader of the free world!?!?!?!
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peanut posted:Lol it's not every decade. Maybe every-other generation. Obviously, yeah. The Grudge wouldn't have made any sense at all if it was abnormal for 'used' houses to be lived in by new families.
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Oct 4, 2020 01:56
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The unpredictable tiles that don't exactly line up the way they rightfully should are kinda like a metaphor for the entire year in general.
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MRC48B posted:That's the problem with stick construction. The mindset. There's always something weird when houses are stick built. They have a lot of leeway for your own method. If it's non-load bearing, who cares. I've added interior walls with electrical to code. I even bother to put protectors over the wires that go through the wall so no-one can drill through a wire. I mount securely to the floor and ceiling. In the basement, I drive nails into the concrete with a powder actuated driver. I put king studs on every door no matter what and cripples over the top even though the cripples are not necessary at all.. I use heavier drywall than necessary. I obsessively make my junction boxes and outlets look pretty. So there's my problem. I over-build. You can easily go the other way. For some, they have a different plan. Trim nails? gently caress that, that's work. PL200 is good enough for me. A toilet that should have a tall wax ring? gently caress it, the new owners won't notice for a few months and I'll be long gone or in jail. Giant voids in the electrical panel to the outside that I can stick a finger through? Fucki it. It's summer and the mice won't start coming inside until I'm gone, declared bankruptcy, then made up a new name for my company. Stick built can go both ways. My great grandfather built his house with his own to hands back in about 1916. He ordered it from Sears. It still stands strong. My parents house was built in about 1910 from big tamarack logs. It still stands strong. However, the editions on their place were done by a drunken idiot. One side had to be completely torn off. The other side should have been torn off but it's kind of OK.
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MRC48B posted:That's the problem with stick construction. The mindset. There's always something weird when houses are stick built. They have a lot of leeway for your own method. If it's non-load bearing, who cares. I've added interior walls with electrical to code. I even bother to put protectors over the wires that go through the wall so no-one can drill through a wire. I mount securely to the floor and ceiling. In the basement, I drive nails into the concrete with a powder actuated driver. I put king studs on every door no matter what and cripples over the top even though the cripples are not necessary at all.. I use heavier drywall than necessary. I obsessively make my junction boxes and outlets look pretty. So there's my problem. I over-build. You can easily go the other way. For some, they have a different plan. Trim nails? gently caress that, that's work. PL200 is good enough for me. A toilet that should have a tall wax ring? gently caress it, the new owners won't notice for a few months and I'll be long gone or in jail. Giant voids in the electrical panel to the outside that I can stick a finger through? Fucki it. It's summer and the mice won't start coming inside until I'm gone, declared bankruptcy, then made up a new name for my company. Stick built can go both ways. My great grandfather built his house with his own to hands back in about 1916. He ordered it from Sears. It still stands strong. My parents house was built in about 1910 from big tamarack logs. It still stands strong. However, the editions on their place were done by a drunken idiot. One side had to be completely torn off. The other side should have been torn off but it's kind of OK.
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Over-engineered redundant posts
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I dont think you could pre-fab 1 day build those houses over here in CA. The codes over here are really really strict about what sort of joist hangars, what sort of wood to wood connections, etc. there are. It's funny because Japan has more earthquakes than CA.
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mostlygray posted:My great grandfather built his house with his own to hands back in about 1916. He ordered it from Sears. It still stands strong. Kate from McMansion Hell did a really great article on kit houses. I wonder if my parents' house is a pattern book or kit house, because it's the right age, in a streetcar suburb, it's a Craftsman style American Foursquare, and there are four houses in a row all built exactly the same (although 100 years of renovations have made them a bit different now). There are a lot of streets around here (Midtown/South Kansas City) where the same house will be built over and over. I grew up in a JC Nichols neighborhood that was constructed wholesale from the ground up (and specifically "barred Negroes", ick), so I can only assume it was part of their practice, but I haven't been able to find if they used a pattern book or kits or anything.
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HelloIAmYourHeart posted:Kate from McMansion Hell did a really great article on kit houses. I wonder if my parents' house is a pattern book or kit house, because it's the right age, in a streetcar suburb, it's a Craftsman style American Foursquare, and there are four houses in a row all built exactly the same (although 100 years of renovations have made them a bit different now). Sounds like tract housing, where a developer will build out a suburb/neighborhood using the same few plans with little variance. Sometimes they will mirror the plans so you get some houses that look "reversed" in layout. It really took off in the 40s when housing demand went through the roof. Developers could build houses faster and cheaper if they adhered to a common plan and building materials for every house. These aren't so much kit houses as much as a developer having set a standard style for their projects. Kits are more like what you can buy through Menards, Lowes or Home Depot. They sell the plans and all the materials as a single package. It's then on you to provide the land and builders. I think house kits were originally sold by Sears as mail order during the push into the US West. You'd send in a catalog number and wire money, and a month or so later the plans and all the materials would arrive by rail.
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Proteus Jones posted:Sounds like tract housing, where a developer will build out a suburb/neighborhood using the same few plans with little variance. Sometimes they will mirror the plans so you get some houses that look "reversed" in layout. you should read the article, tbqh
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I grew up on a street that was half pre WWII and half post WWII. The pre half was what you would expect from 1920s/30s housing. The post half was two houses repeated in a pattern of ranch and two-story down the rest of the street. Staggered so a ranch was always across the street from a two story. Same floor plans, same house, for all I know when they were built in 1947, they were all the same color. At least by the 80s there was different paint and siding on them.
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It's obvious if you didn't even read the intro. Highly recommend reading the whole thing if you're interested in the topic
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Eh, I've seen some similar tile in commercial kitchens where the tile was raised for grip. It didn't really work because the raised parts still got grease on them. Still, these upside down tiles don't shed water.
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